Hornell vs. Bath game

[LoriL30]

I am new to this forum and was wondering if anyone can tell me if there is a way I can listen to the game over the internet? My cousin is David Zapata, my parents will be making the 6 hr trip down to watch him play this weekend but I can't but I don't want to miss out on such a great game! Thanks if you can help me out!:)

[dfisch80]

You should find it here ~ http://www.network1sports.com/stations/wvin.php...click on "listen Live". Good luck to David and both teams, Its gonna be a great game!

The game starts at 1:30.

[LoriL30]

Thanks so much for your help!!

[totallyfive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_R_gW3r-eI

[totallyfive]

I have watched this rivalry for 5 years now and finally a game that could be good/close. The last 5 were pathetic with Hornell winning them all.That's not a rivalry but domination. That is the difference in the programs I think, Hornell reloads and continues to win and Bath has to rebuild to be competitive, every 5 years. I think they both are overrated this year in a weak league, not the teams that dominated class B in the past, certainly this Hornell team is not close to the machine that went to 2 straight state semi-finals, but I hope for a close game worth watching.

[Rams15]

This could prove to be a very interesting game !! I think that you have two of the premier high school running backs in David Zapata and Andre McCloud. You can debate all that you want about which is better, but both deserve recognition for their accomplishments, thus far, on the football field this season. Bath has a variety of skill ( position ) players that can be tough to defend against. ( Havens, Hutcheson, Kuver ) Hornell has the potential to be able to throw the ball, but has not put up big numbers yet. Schwartz has a strong arm and he has some capable & athletic receivers in Hunt & Acor. ( I believe that 60 yards passing may have been a recorded high for them this season? ) Personally, I think that this game could ultimately be determined by the quarterbacks. If ( and it may a be a big if ) Zapata and McCloud are neutralized by the opposing defenses, then the outcome could conceivably be placed in the laps of the QB's; Jaker Kuver and DJ Schwartz. Kuver has shown he can break off a long run at any time. He has great speed & field vision when he runs. Schwartz can throw the long ball effectively and his line must give him adequate time to complete the passes as the opportunities present themselves.

I really think that Bath just has too many offensive weapons for Hornell to contain and... I hope that turn overs don't play a part in the outcome for either side !! It should prove to be a beautiful ( and hot ) day for high school football. Go Rams !!

[BATHFAN]

I see this a little different than you obviously do. First off I absolutely agree that Hornell is not the same team that they were when they were making their runs to the dome. I think that was a given going into the season with the losses on the offensive line from last years team. As far as Bath goes I certainly don't think that Bath is a weak team, Bath has alot of weapons probably more than they have had since their 95 championship team. I don't think the game is going to be as close as alot of people think. I think bath has too many weapons for Hornell to shut down and on the other hand Hornell is way too one dimensional and Bath will be able to hold Zapata in check. I don't think Hornell scores more than 1 or 2 touchdowns in this game and Bath will score at the very least 28 points. I do agree with you that the league was weak this year and maybe I am wrong based upon Bath playing those weaker opponents but I don't think so. Bath is a whole different team this year, the kids put the time in the weightroom in the off season and have some very explosive offensive weapons to go along with it. As far as Bath being up and down that is not something that I can argue, but I do think you will see more and more consistency come to the program. You look back 15 years and beyond and you saw 1-2 wins per year and that was consistent year in and year out. Since then they have 4 sectional titles and some league championships there have been some big strides in the program. Yes they don't have the consitency down yet but it is coming, as the support for the programs grows in the community, the school, and student population.

[dsatterfield]

Regarding the issue that "Hornell reloads and continues to win and Bath has to rebuild to be competitive" please recognize that Hornell is a school that has open enrollment and may therefore, recruit players. Bath-Haverling has a closed policy, so one must live within the district to play football. In short, we have to deal with the luck of the draw.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Dont forget also that Hornell is a FOOTBALL town. In Bath footbal is the step child that no one talks about. It is A LOT easier to have success in a football town. No excuses just fact. I personally cant wait till the game, I am sick of the Bath bashing. THOUGH WHEN THEY WIN I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR ALL THE EXCUSES!!!.

[Double two]

I think that tomorrows game is the direct opposite of last years game. Going in, I think there is a chance for a Bath blowout of Hornell. This is probably the strongest team Bath has had in 10 years while it is a "down" year for Hornell compared to the teams they have had in the last decade. Hornell has a totally new line and they have been getting killed with injuries. Their skill positions are strong but if the line can't hold their blocks it will be tough to move the ball. Plus, Bath has some serious weapons. Hornell played their best game of the year last week against HFL and will need to build on that if they want to have a chance to win. Last year, Bath played real well and were able to avoid what people thought could be a blowout going into the game. They showed a real toughness and although they lost, they earned my respect. As for Zapatta versus McCloud, we should all just enjoy watching the two of them do their thing. I am from Hornell and I hope he gets shut down tomorrow (but highly doubt he will). Other than that, I hope he has a ton of success and opportunities after high school. It seems like everyone on here is hoping for the kid on the other team to fail. Pretty sad for anyone to want a teenage kid to fail but it is happening here. Every time Zapatta's records and stats are brought up, the haters start talking about him being too small or his line was just good and the other teams stink....well, he has faced whatever has come his way and has totally dominated. If he gets the chance to play division 1, it will be a whole new set of challanges for him. My bet is that he will do fine where ever he ends up. Unfortunately, even if he is successful, the same people will probably be trying to come up with negative things to say about him. I can hear it now...."well he might be doing well in college but he will never make it to the pros...he's too short". Or maybe by then, there will be another teenage kid doing great things on the high school field and these people will forget about Zapatta and McCloud and try to tear the new kid down. Good luck to both of these super talented kids. They have been fun to watch. Hopefully, their futures will be filled with success.

[RedRaiderFan]

Regarding the issue that "Hornell reloads and continues to win and Bath has to rebuild to be competitive" please recognize that Hornell is a school that has open enrollment and may therefore, recruit players. Bath-Haverling has a closed policy, so one must live within the district to play football. In short, we have to deal with the luck of the draw.

Bath has just recentley "closed their enrollment". As a matter of fact David Zapata toured the Bath school, but chose Hornell. Which means he wanted to come to Hornell, and just like any one else he has to pay the tuition for out of district students. Lest we not forget that Bath has had a few players from areas other than the Bath school district on their football teams. Players from Dundee, Avoca, and Hammandsport come to mind. With out these players on their team, Bath most likely would not win their last three section V titles nor their only Livingston division 1 title in 2002.

[BATHFAN]

Your right bath has had players come into the district to play in the past. The whole point is that Bath has changed their policies regarding enrollment and Hornell has done nothing about it. Personally I don't think that people really care other than the fact that every other day we have to hear someone from Hornell talk about how they have such a better program than Bath and they just keep reloading. Yet the best player on the Hornell team is from canisteo and that is why they have been as good as they have over the last few years and not because Gene Mastin is a superior coach as everyone keeps saying.

[Footballfan65]

Bath's doors were closed after the 2001 or 2002 season, i cant remember. Any players that were from outside of Bath were grandfathered in due to them already attending school. I dont think Zapata would have been allowed to come to Bath unless he moved there. I could be wrong, if youve got exact figures then great. You point out places where these kids are from that were from out of district. Last time I checked Avoca and Hammondsport dont have football programs and I still think Bath should let those kids come in if they want to play football but my opinion doesnt really matter to the school board does it. As for the kid from Dundee, if your father lives in Bath and you move to live with him...still want him to commute to Dundee. I think there wouldnt be much of an issue considering Zapata if he hadnt been recruited from a town that already had a football program. Either way does it really even matter where Zapata is from. Lets all just get ready for what should be a GREAT GAME! Im pumped for it, as im sure a lot of you are.

GO RAMS!!!!!!

[LoriL30]

[COLOR="Red"]Yeah Hornell!!!!![/:) COLOR]

[Footballfan65]

Just got back from the game. 35-14(or 13) Hornell over Bath. Im sure Im going to get knocked for it but neither team was all that impressive today. Bath looked absolutely horrible today. The offensive line sucked really bad and the Bath backs never had a chance to even do anything due to Hornell getting by the Bath line so quickly. On the few attempts that the backs were able to make plays they made some good ones, but just wasnt enough. Hornell didnt look all that great either. That D line sure came to play though. Both teams are definately beatable. I dont know how many yards Zapata had i dont think it was that many, maybe 125? Even with that, Bath just looked that bad.

[lbcoach45]

Just got back from the game. 35-14(or 13) Hornell over Bath. Im sure Im going to get knocked for it but neither team was all that impressive today. Bath looked absolutely horrible today. The offensive line sucked really bad and the Bath backs never had a chance to even do anything due to Hornell getting by the Bath line so quickly. On the few attempts that the backs were able to make plays they made some good ones, but just wasnt enough. Hornell didnt look all that great either. That D line sure came to play though. Both teams are definately beatable. I dont know how many yards Zapata had i dont think it was that many, maybe 125? Even with that, Bath just looked that bad.

People have said all year that Hornell isn't as good as they have been. Looks like this game might change that impression. For a team not to play well and beat their biggest rival by 20 is impressive by itself. Looks like Hornell is the team to beat in class B, as usual.

[hilly]

Just got back from the game. 35-14(or 13) Hornell over Bath. Im sure Im going to get knocked for it but neither team was all that impressive today. Bath looked absolutely horrible today. The offensive line sucked really bad and the Bath backs never had a chance to even do anything due to Hornell getting by the Bath line so quickly. On the few attempts that the backs were able to make plays they made some good ones, but just wasnt enough. Hornell didnt look all that great either. That D line sure came to play though. Both teams are definately beatable. I dont know how many yards Zapata had i dont think it was that many, maybe 125? Even with that, Bath just looked that bad.


This is interesting for Class C. The Cal-Mum/Bath game next week is huge in terms of seeding and many people I've talked to expect Bath to win. Does Cal-Mum have a shot?

[Footballfan65]

i dont know how Cal mum played against leroy but i can tell you this if Bath plays as bad as they played today.....

[rockandroll34]

Footballfan65 were you at the same game I was at?
Hornell looked damn good and Zapata was way over 200 yards.
Hornell's interior lineman on both sides controlled the line of scrimmage.

[Double two]

Kind of funny how everyone thought both teams were good coming in to the game but now that Hornell just dominated Bath people can't just say that Hornell is a good team. Instead it is that Bath is real bad. Bath didn't lose their talent in the last week. They just got hammered by a Hornell team that played a great all around game. Zapatta got 175 yards and McCloud had just 2 yards. McCloud is still a good back though....the Raiders just had his number today.

[DrewVT6]

Kind of funny how everyone thought both teams were good coming in to the game but now that Hornell just dominated Bath people can't just say that Hornell is a good team. Instead it is that Bath is real bad. Bath didn't lose their talent in the last week. They just got hammered by a Hornell team that played a great all around game. Zapatta got 175 yards and McCloud had just 2 yards. McCloud is still a good back though....the Raiders just had his number today.

Same thing is happening over in the CalMum-Leroy thread. Sometimes you have to give credit where it's due people!

[Footballfan65]

yeah i was at the game. do you honestly want to sit there and say both teams played as well as they can? Im not saying Hornell stunk, they just werent as impressive as they had been before. And if youve ever been to a Bath game, you know Bath definately didnt play to their potential. Your going to complain because i think both teams can play MUCH better? I was expecting a better game from both teams, werent you?

p.s. I heard the official stats had Zapata at 160. Pretty good but definately didnt seem like he had a great game. Maybe ive just been spoiled by getting to watch 2 great teams play amazing ball week in and week out and then have today not have that happen.

[baidog]

Same thing is happening over in the CalMum-Leroy thread. Sometimes you have to give credit where it's due people!

I think everyone is giving LR the credit they deserve for winning what amounted to a 14-6 game. They took CM out of their comfort zone by controlling but not dominating the line. That game was not "over" until CM made some undisciplined plays by jumping offsides and allowing LR to chew up the clock late in the fourth quarter. Much different than a 35-13 score where it sounds like Hornell dominated.

[Double two]

yeah i was at the game. do you honestly want to sit there and say both teams played as well as they can? Im not saying Hornell stunk, they just werent as impressive as they had been before. And if youve ever been to a Bath game, you know Bath definately didnt play to their potential. Your going to complain because i think both teams can play MUCH better? I was expecting a better game from both teams, werent you?

p.s. I heard the official stats had Zapata at 160. Pretty good but definately didnt seem like he had a great game. Maybe ive just been spoiled by getting to watch 2 great teams play amazing ball week in and week out and then have today not have that happen.

I guess I am just a bit confused by your post. Going in, the one big advantage that Bath had was their line. Hornell dominated the line of scrimage. They have a tremendous back in McCloud and Hornell held him to 2 yards rushing. They beat an undefeated Bath team that everyone always agreed was a very good team...they beat them 35-13 on their home field on homecoming no less. Obviously, any team can and should improve every week but you make it sound like they played a terrible game. Maybe Bath played so poorly because Hornell played so well. What exactly did Hornell do today that makes you think that they weren't as impressive as other games? To me, they dominated this game as much or more than they dominated MUCH lesser teams throughout the season. Does Zapatta have to get 200 or 300 yards to be good? Again, Bath is a good team and Hornell totally outplayed them in every part of the game. All year, the Hornell nay sayers have said "wait 'till they play a good team like Bath"....suddenly Hornell erases Bath and you say that Bath was awful. Crazy.....

[Footballfan65]

I think its crazy that you dont think Bath played horrible. I still fail to see why people get on my case when i think Hornell could have played much better. Im definately not saying Hornell played a bad game, sorry if thats what it sounded. I just really think Hornell can play better than they did saturday. I did give credit to the Hornell defensive line. I also think that the Hornell receivers made a couple amazing catches. But I stand by my statement that both teams could play much better.

[hooters1315]

that game was pathetic i traveled from albany to see it and it was a waste of gas. The raiders crushed them. Theres no comparison between mccloud and Zapata.

Zapata 36 carries 174 yards vs Mccloud who had 2 yards on 10 carries.

Also what really impressed me was Hornells ability to throw the ball 166 yds passing, thats a record in the zapata era. I think the key for the red raiders is establishing a passing attack so they dont have to wear down Zapata.

[totallyfive]

I wanted a close rivalry game, NOT got a total domination game, again.
As coach Carrol said " we could not handle hornell same as last year ".
10 in the box and Zapata gets 174 with 3, I was impressed
Andre, not so much!

Good luck to Bath I hope to play them again.

[football fan]

Oh come on, let's all admit it, if one team is allowed to recruit and others are not, it's a huge advantage. I would say tantamount to cheating. There should be a section-wide policy.

Regardless, let's talk football. The Hornell V Bath game was a huge disappointment. I'm a little tired of viewing every post that states how bad Bath played- that's a relfection on the players. The players, other than the Bath O-line played well. Coaching was the issue. Also, since when have you seen one football team get every penalty and another team get none? Wait, Hornell did get 1 false start call. Is that really possible? Don't get me wrong- props to Hornell. They did have Bath's number- Noteware squared- run it up the middle- same as the last 40 years. Also, Hornell was very well-prepared, coached, and the defense really came to play. It's just such a huge disappointment and I think a disservice to talented players- on both sides who had the opportunity to be recognized by the extensive media and scouting at that game.