Holley Football

[Section5sportsguy]

Wow Holley's JV team has been impressive this year, as theyre now 5-0!! They really know how to build a program, look out for these guys on the next level.

[sectionvfanforlife]

there all varsity players on the team i hope there 5-0

[Section5sportsguy]

What??? Are you allowed to do that?

[TopShelf]

Seriously, they're all the players that would have been on their Varsity team this year. But Holley JV hasn't blown out everyone this year, which they should be.

[SectionVfan]

You are mistaken, they did not have enough Juniors and Seniors to have a varsity team so they went JV and the Seniors and Juniors were left off. The have blown some teams out, I saw them beat Red Jacket 49-0. However the coaches will get crushed at the next level, they are clueless and can get away with that at the JV level, but not the varsity level.

[hilly]

I know a lot about the Holley situation. The guy coaching is a good guy and is doing a good job, but the school needs to hire a real football guy to get in there and build that thing.
There was some talk about Joe Zambito but it didn't happen for whatever reason. Holley has a great wrestling program and strong kids, and I think could do very well. But there is nothing to work with in terms of history and it has to be built from the bottom floor. I think the school might have a varsity program next year (at least that was John Grillo's plan). We'll see how things go.

[Mustangs24]

So, is there juniors on that JV team? I heard several parents complain about 11th graders playing against there 10th graders. Juniors are allowed to play JV in some sections/counties/etc. but are there at Holley playing right now?

[ndfan79]

I saw them againist nd jv's last week and the looked pretty good except for that late td with about 10 seconds to go and they were ahead by 14. They should have taken a knee and end the game there but for some reason they are running up the scores.:cool:

[kingpintim]

well its pretty sad that they dont have enough players to play varsity buts its even worse when tehy think thay are the best they have only played three teams this season the other were forfiets no one wants tehre kids faceing a bunch of juneirs but attica, pembroke and red jackets and its even worse pembroke almost beat them they had the whole game till the end tehy had tehm beat 13-10 but holly kicked a feild goal got eth ball back agian and scored with a field goal the score was Holley 20 Pembroke 13 so they realy arnt even that good

[SectionVfan]

They are going to have a varsity program next year and the JV coach is going to be the head coach, that is straight from the AD's mouth, my friend applied for the job and was told that was the situation. Big mistake, he guy may be doing ok at JV but he is in for a HUGE wake up call at the next level.

[hilly]

They are going to have a varsity program next year and the JV coach is going to be the head coach, that is straight from the AD's mouth, my friend applied for the job and was told that was the situation. Big mistake, he guy may be doing ok at JV but he is in for a HUGE wake up call at the next level.


I know the Holley coach and I'm sure he can do a decent job, but it's the same situation they had with the previous coach. You can't compete in the Genesee Region League with an inexperienced coach.
I wish him well and want to see all team be competitive, but AD Jim Palermo needs to go out and hire a guy with experience to coach that team.

[sandman20]

Holley need to find a coach to establish that program. They have little guys football and it is a big town......You just need to get the kids out and start winning and the interest will follow....They have a great wrestling program and those kids are the best football players (wrestlers)....???

[easyrsaidthandone]

The old coaching staff that worked at Elba would be a great fit at Holley. I wonder if either the Holley AD or the old elba staff( ferrara,augelo and Zambito) have talked about this.

[joeZam1]

The old coaching staff that worked at Elba would be a great fit at Holley. I wonder if either the Holley AD or the old elba staff( ferrara,augelo and Zambito) have talked about this.

Sandman and Easy, after 2 seasons on the outside my great assistants and I would welcome offers from schools, we are ready to "get back in". We shall see what happens?

[hardcorefan]

i'm a new person to this website but i have been watching football all my life , and i heard good things about holley football program . so i went to see there game aganst oakfield , and what i saw out there was not a football team. what i saw was big kids beating up little kids. they were cheap players . the coaches of that football program need to be changed. if they want to build a program u first should teach your kids how to play the game. holley football team dosent even run a real offince. If thoses kids played there own age they would be in a diffrent kind of game. i'm glad they have a football program, and should keep it. but i am ashamed of what they have become. They need more class .

[conors72]

i'm a new person to this website but i have been watching football all my life , and i heard good things about holley football program . so i went to see there game aganst oakfield , and what i saw out there was not a football team. what i saw was big kids beating up little kids. they were cheap players . the coaches of that football program need to be changed. if they want to build a program u first should teach your kids how to play the game. holley football team dosent even run a real offince. If thoses kids played there own age they would be in a diffrent kind of game. i'm glad they have a football program, and should keep it. but i am ashamed of what they have become. They need more class .

sounds like a good football team to me

[hardcorefan]

why would you say that ? it ruins the name of football. people have for got what football is all about. this team is a prime example

[sandman20]

why would you say that ? it ruins the name of football. people have for got what football is all about. this team is a prime example

The coach is everything in a football program.The kids reflect the way the coach teaches. The most important part of the game is sportsmanship...I know a couple of coach that would love to take that program over. Joe zambito and his gang would love that challenege....They would do that program good.....

[Berask]

why would you say that ? it ruins the name of football. people have for got what football is all about. this team is a prime example

Football is about winning. No matter how you do it. I don't think this team forgot what football was about because they are reminded of what football is about almost every week. Winning. And what is this team a prime example of? I'm sure the juniors on the team would rather have a varsity team. Don't take their love of football away by making them sit out a year because they don't have enough kids to field a varsity team. That's not their fault. You seem selfish. And your name is false you aren't a hardcorefan. You are a fan who doesn't know what football is about.

Let me refresh you on what it IS about.


WINNING!!!!

[conors72]

maybe he doesn't have any testosterone in him.. kinda like my mom when she says that she doesn't think blocking should be legal because it's too dangerous

[Berask]

maybe he doesn't have any testosterone in him.. kinda like my mom when she says that she doesn't think blocking should be legal because it's too dangerous

Maybe he's a five year old girl....

Oh wait that doesn't make sense...

[easyrsaidthandone]

The coach is everything in a football program.The kids reflect the way the coach teaches. The most important part of the game is sportsmanship...I know a couple of coach that would love to take that program over. Joe zambito and his gang would love that challenege....They would do that program good.....

If the Holley administration wants a winning program Joe and his gang would do a great Job. The question remains whats on their agenda?

[joeZam1]

If we were wanted, I believe my staff and I would entertain offers to come back and coach..I behalf of Sam and John I can say that we r ready. I can also say that the success that was pointed at me would never, ever of been possible without Sam Ferrara and John Augello, two of the best minds in coaching! On that note we shall see what happens!

[hilly]

Joe's coaching staff was awesome and totally dedicated. I'd be very happy to see him back in the GR and I know a lot of others would agree.
And they say black is slimming, so that's a plus for ya Joe :p

[hardcorefan]

Football is about winning. No matter how you do it. I don't think this team forgot what football was about because they are reminded of what football is about almost every week. Winning. And what is this team a prime example of? I'm sure the juniors on the team would rather have a varsity team. Don't take their love of football away by making them sit out a year because they don't have enough kids to field a varsity team. That's not their fault. You seem selfish. And your name is false you aren't a hardcorefan. You are a fan who doesn't know what football is about.

Let me refresh you on what it IS about.


WINNING!!!!

Look here is the deal. Football is about winning yes. Winners get the glory well losers sit in the pit of obscurity. But Is that really what we want to teach our kids. Win at all cost. You, my friend, are a fool. I have studied football at all levels and integrity counts. This Holley team has tons of talent no doubt. The problem is dirty play gets you nowhere and This team with that "offense" will get lit up at the varsity level. I could tell you everyplay they were going to run by how they lined up. Not really that clever and the plays were at random. Now if you really want to have a battle of wits about football, do your homework. They need a football guy who runs a real offense. I just really hope the kids keep coming out for the team because if they keep this offense and tactics it will be same old same old. Know what you're talking about before you reply.

[oafootball]

Look here is the deal. Football is about winning yes. Winners get the glory well losers sit in the pit of obscurity. But Is that really what we want to teach our kids. Win at all cost. You, my friend, are a fool. I have studied football at all levels and integrity counts. This Holley team has tons of talent no doubt. The problem is dirty play gets you nowhere and This team with that "offense" will get lit up at the varsity level. I could tell you everyplay they were going to run by how they lined up. Not really that clever and the plays were at random. Now if you really want to have a battle of wits about football, do your homework. They need a football guy who runs a real offense. I just really hope the kids keep coming out for the team because if they keep this offense and tactics it will be same old same old. Know what you're talking about before you reply.

I couldn't agree more with hard core. This might sound biased as a former player for the school, but I have gone to several holly games this year. I can't blame the teams that forfeited the game. They are the cheapest players I have ever seen and they don't deserve to play football. They sent three or four kids to the hospital yesterday on blind side hits and spearing. So Conors, are you telling me that when you could play, that you ENJOYED getting hit from the backside kill shot that you didn't see coming?????

[football guru]

Winning is certainly not everything. Brask and Conors, have you even played football before. Football is about comraderie, lasting friendships, and memories made with your teammates on and off the field. You could have an 0-8 season and still have a passion for the game of football if your football TEAM acts more like a team and a family rather than a bunch of individuals

[conors72]

I couldn't agree more with hard core. This might sound biased as a former player for the school, but I have gone to several holly games this year. I can't blame the teams that forfeited the game. They are the cheapest players I have ever seen and they don't deserve to play football. They sent three or four kids to the hospital yesterday on blind side hits and spearing. So Conors, are you telling me that when you could play, that you ENJOYED getting hit from the backside kill shot that you didn't see coming?????

lol no i didn't enjoy it, the pain was pretty excruciating. I am, however, smart enough to realize that it's part of the game. People are going to get down and dirty. This doesn't mean that they lose their character on or off the field. These people can still be model citizens, but when you're in the trenches you have to fight tooth and nail. Have you ever watched a college football game, an nfl game, or even cfl? those guys fight. i don't mean fist fight. they play violent. That's football. It's a violent sport. I, myself become totally different on the field. I get a beastly mentality, almost primal. When i walk off, I'm a member of National Honor Society, Lawyer on the mock trial team, lead trombone in the jazz band..etc etc. i haven't seen the holly kids play, so it is really not my place to pass judgement on them. But, there is "dirty play" (and i use that term loosely) at all times to some degree in the violent sport of football.

[joeZam1]

Well said, and very true.

[Berask]

Look here is the deal. Football is about winning yes. Winners get the glory well losers sit in the pit of obscurity. But Is that really what we want to teach our kids. Win at all cost. You, my friend, are a fool. I have studied football at all levels and integrity counts. This Holley team has tons of talent no doubt. The problem is dirty play gets you nowhere and This team with that "offense" will get lit up at the varsity level. I could tell you everyplay they were going to run by how they lined up. Not really that clever and the plays were at random. Now if you really want to have a battle of wits about football, do your homework. They need a football guy who runs a real offense. I just really hope the kids keep coming out for the team because if they keep this offense and tactics it will be same old same old. Know what you're talking about before you reply.

What dirty play do you speak of? Just because a team is more physically inclined than another, that doesn't make what they do "dirty play". Winning IS everything in sports, playing with class is included definitely. But when you tell someone to not play and to not try their best and not to win at all costs, you're a softy. Football has no room for softies. It is a physical sport in which you need to have size, strength and nastiness. If you mean to tell me you can win a football game by having only class and smarts, YOU are indeed the fool. You need to have that mental toughness and the ability to take hits and give hits. This year is my first year not playing football since i was 7 years old. I didn't play this year because I felt I didn't have that mental toughness needed. I tore my MCL last season in the third game and coming into this season I still favored the knee in fear of messing it up again. So please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I agree class is a good thing to have but to have a lot of class is not needed. Toughness is more important. I am a 16 year old kid, who is much less removed from football than you sir. I really believe in order to understand the new age of football you need to play it. Times have changed and physicality beats out class in almost every sport played. Thank you for reading my argument sir. I will enjoy reading your reply. If you choose to reply that is. I certainly hope you do.

[joeZam1]

Joe's coaching staff was awesome and totally dedicated. I'd be very happy to see him back in the GR and I know a lot of others would agree.
And they say black is slimming, so that's a plus for ya Joe :p

Yeah, yeah, I love that black stuff! It does slim ya down a bit! LOL.

[hardcorefan]

What dirty play do you speak of? Just because a team is more physically inclined than another, that doesn't make what they do "dirty play". Winning IS everything in sports, playing with class is included definitely. But when you tell someone to not play and to not try their best and not to win at all costs, you're a softy. Football has no room for softies. It is a physical sport in which you need to have size, strength and nastiness. If you mean to tell me you can win a football game by having only class and smarts, YOU are indeed the fool. You need to have that mental toughness and the ability to take hits and give hits. This year is my first year not playing football since i was 7 years old. I didn't play this year because I felt I didn't have that mental toughness needed. I tore my MCL last season in the third game and coming into this season I still favored the knee in fear of messing it up again. So please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I agree class is a good thing to have but to have a lot of class is not needed. Toughness is more important. I am a 16 year old kid, who is much less removed from football than you sir. I really believe in order to understand the new age of football you need to play it. Times have changed and physicality beats out class in almost every sport played. Thank you for reading my argument sir. I will enjoy reading your reply. If you choose to reply that is. I certainly hope you do.

The dirty play I speak of isn't refering to the physicality of the team, that is indeed a part of the game. A huge part obviously but what I mean by dirty is hitting after the whistle blows, spearing in the back, hitting a defenseless kid on the opposite side of the field because he isn't expecting it. And last but not least leading with your helmet into the helmet of another player. That is not only a penalty, but very dangerous. You can hurt the other player and worse yourself. Those are the dirty tactics I speak of, not the physical play. That is why I love the sport because of how different the game is from the rest. You seem very wise for a young age, and well thought out answers at first I thought I was dealing with a kid who was speaking out from the I football is about hurting people mentality but now I feel you know the game. I look forward to your reply.

[overnback]

that this thread showed up here. I saw one of those "JV" games earlier in the season. I'm more surprised that an irate parent didn't go after their coaches. Yes, it was that bad. Doesn't sound like it got any better either. But hey, they won and that's all that matters... right?
I hope everyones injuries weren't too serious.

[CARL]

Zambito back in the GR with Holley? If you think Holley does not have sportsmanship now, don't expect that to get any better with Zambito in charge. Didn't he "leave" Elba because of his "sportsmanship".

[joeZam1]

Zambito back in the GR with Holley? If you think Holley does not have sportsmanship now, don't expect that to get any better with Zambito in charge. Didn't he "leave" Elba because of his "sportsmanship".

To answer your question, our team won sectionals, received academic scholar athelete and finished second in sportsmanship. AND at the conclusion of the football season WE received a letter of commandation from the Superintendant. But thanks for the false speculation.:confused:

[GRbballno1]

I believe the words are "commendation" and "Superintendent," Joe. And I'm also relatively sure that the previous poster was referring to the dismissal of one Elba football coach, not the team.
However, if the so-called integrity of the team is to be brought into the discussion, might we discuss certain under-age drinking incidents that occurred during that same time period? Involving, as I recall, several basketball players who (gasp) played football as well? And under that same coach?

[joeZam1]

I believe the words are "commendation" and "Superintendent," Joe. And I'm also relatively sure that the previous poster was referring to the dismissal of one Elba football coach, not the team.
However, if the so-called integrity of the team is to be brought into the discussion, might we discuss certain under-age drinking incidents that occurred during that same time period? Involving, as I recall, several basketball players who (gasp) played football as well? And under that same coach?

I can say I'm sorry for the misspellings, its late and Im tired..But obviously I'm talking to a disgruntled homosapien who does not have to many FACTS! Get YOUR FACTS straight before you start throwing stones, its really ILLEGAL. AND I believe our TEAM had integrity unlike YOU.

[Former GR Leaguer]

If the facts are so cut-and-dried, I'd be interested to hear them. Please share.

[CARL]

I can say I'm sorry for the misspellings, its late and Im tired..But obviously I'm talking to a disgruntled homosapien who does not have to many FACTS! Get YOUR FACTS straight before you start throwing stones, its really ILLEGAL. AND I believe our TEAM had integrity unlike YOU.

Your tone and vocabulary just reinforce the fact that YOU did not exhibit class or sportsmanship.

[joeZam1]

If the facts are so cut-and-dried, I'd be interested to hear them. Please share.

I would share, but this is not the place to do so. An interesting story to say the least.

And for big CARL I think its great that you could tell my tone by what I type. Ladies and Gentlemen we have a PSYCHIC with us..Great job CARL.

[CARL]

And for big CARL I think its great that you could tell my tone by what I type. Ladies and Gentlemen we have a PSYCHIC with us..Great job CARL.

Hey, I am just pointing out the fact that you seem to go out of your way to insult anybody who disagrees with you. It seems that you cannot have a rational discussion without throwing out insults.

[easyrsaidthandone]

I dont think Mr.Zambito needs a lawyer here, but after reading this blog it seems as though carl is the one throwing insults at coachz. Carl, if you go back and read what you wrote, and read what coach wrote, you insulted him, he just defended himself..Coach Z. it seems as though whenever your name is brought up people either defend you to the T or want to burn you at the cross, its too bad you cannot post and have people leave you alone?

[CARL]

I respect coach Zambito for his hard work, dedication, and success at Elba, but I did have problems with his behavior. Did he deserve to lose his coaching job? No, he did not. If he gets back into coaching hopefully he will be as successful as before, but this time keep his emotions and temper in check.

[joeZam1]

I respect coach Zambito for his hard work, dedication, and success at Elba, but I did have problems with his behavior. Did he deserve to lose his coaching job? No, he did not. If he gets back into coaching hopefully he will be as successful as before, but this time keep his emotions and temper in check.

Carl, I think the problem with me was this...Im a big guy with a big voice..If I raise my voice many people automatically think Ive gone off the deep end, to a point that puts me at a disadvantage..I have a passion for the game and I loved my players..My temper on the football field was just like many football coaches to my knowlege, maybe Im wrong..But I appreciate you backing off and ending this...Thank you. We do not need another post closed.:)

[CARL]

Carl, I think the problem with me was this...Im a big guy with a big voice..If I raise my voice many people automatically think Ive gone off the deep end, to a point that puts me at a disadvantage..I have a passion for the game and I loved my players..My temper on the football field was just like many football coaches to my knowlege, maybe Im wrong..But I appreciate you backing off and ending this...Thank you. We do not need another post closed.:)

Agreed. You make good points. Good luck in the future coach.

[Jammer24]

geez, and to think my threads were booted off of here.("flaming thread")lol

[joeZam1]

Thank you Carl! Believe me, I never wanted to hurt or offend anyone, just always tried to stick up for my guys..appreciate the understanding.

[Section5sportsguy]

Elba is no longer competitive because they dont have Ciaci Zambito making "35 tackles" a game anymore

[easyrsaidthandone]

Ciaci Z. was good, but I do not think he ever made that many tackles. Elba has traditionally had good lb's. Ciaci Z., Tom Martell, Travis Torrey,Jed Torrey,not sure what position, but Tim Maid, another good elba player, as well as Chooch Augelo. All tuff football players.

[Former GR Leaguer]

I don't think he had that many tackles in a game either, but I believe he was credited with that amount several times..................

[easyrsaidthandone]

I was pretty close to many of those elba teams and from what I remember 24 was the most he had..Although some of the other lb's were credited with 25 and 27 at some point in their career..How about this season there were a few articles where some lb's had 28! Thats one heck of a game. Good thing for coach z and ciaci that a man named Ray , whos no relation to coach z was asked to do the tackle chart so no accusations could be made like they were when Martell,Torrey and Augello were making many a tackles. Tuff job, I guess.

[joeZam1]

This is a HOLLEY FOOTBALL post lets try and keep it that way.:)

[Berask]

The dirty play I speak of isn't refering to the physicality of the team, that is indeed a part of the game. A huge part obviously but what I mean by dirty is hitting after the whistle blows, spearing in the back, hitting a defenseless kid on the opposite side of the field because he isn't expecting it. And last but not least leading with your helmet into the helmet of another player. That is not only a penalty, but very dangerous. You can hurt the other player and worse yourself. Those are the dirty tactics I speak of, not the physical play. That is why I love the sport because of how different the game is from the rest. You seem very wise for a young age, and well thought out answers at first I thought I was dealing with a kid who was speaking out from the I football is about hurting people mentality but now I feel you know the game. I look forward to your reply.

I have no more argument for what you say. I have never had the opportunity to see the Holley team play. I guess I mis-understood your argument and I thought you were referring to the physicality aspect of the game. I agree that those illegal plays are classless and need to be corrected. But that starts with coaching. The coaches of that football team have the job of keeping the immature kids in check. Football isn't about seeking vengeance and just going out on the field to hurt people. It's about getting into people on the line and out smarting them with the execution of your gameplan. Agreed?

[sandman20]

This is a HOLLEY FOOTBALL post lets try and keep it that way.:)

Joe Z...remember everyone hates a winner...It lonely at the top thats why we have friends..

[Former GR Leaguer]

What price victory?

[sandman20]

What price victory?

gr leaguer what are u trying to say???winning does help

[Former GR Leaguer]

I figured that would go over your head. What I meant was, how much is a school district (for the sake of this discussion, Holley) willing to sacrifice in order to have a winning football program? Are they willing to hire a coach with a reputation such as the one that precedes Mr. Zambito? Now before everybody flips out, let me say that I do not know Mr. Zambito personally, never played against his teams, and most of what I have heard about him (pro or con) has been after the fact or from this site. I'm not trying to condemn him in any way or paint a bad picture. But lets be serious here: a.)schools don't fire successful coaches without good reasons, b.) whether he or any of his supporters like it or not, there are many out there who are strongly against him and his coaching methods/philosophy no matter how much he loves his players, and c.) Mr. Zambito's reputation is for the most part negative throughout Genesee County. To hire him would more than likely cause an uproar throughout whatever district takes that chance. My question is, is that district ready to deal with the backlash that could result, and are they ready to have their ethics/morals questioned by the all-powerful court of public opinion?

[joeZam1]

I figured that would go over your head. What I meant was, how much is a school district (for the sake of this discussion, Holley) willing to sacrifice in order to have a winning football program? Are they willing to hire a coach with a reputation such as the one that precedes Mr. Zambito? Now before everybody flips out, let me say that I do not know Mr. Zambito personally, never played against his teams, and most of what I have heard about him (pro or con) has been after the fact or from this site. I'm not trying to condemn him in any way or paint a bad picture. But lets be serious here: a.)schools don't fire successful coaches without good reasons, b.) whether he or any of his supporters like it or not, there are many out there who are strongly against him and his coaching methods/philosophy no matter how much he loves his players, and c.) Mr. Zambito's reputation is for the most part negative throughout Genesee County. To hire him would more than likely cause an uproar throughout whatever district takes that chance. My question is, is that district ready to deal with the backlash that could result, and are they ready to have their ethics/morals questioned by the all-powerful court of public opinion?

And it seems as though you are very negative about me in all your posts. Why, If you dont "know me" like you say? Now, A] I didnt think schools fired coaches for no reason either, until may of 2006 b]what coaching methods or philosophies do I supposedly have that all other coaches dont c] while im sure I have my share of people that dont like me, I also have many people that do. So, to my best knowledge what the backlash will eventually be is this. If my staff and I were to get a job in football within due time that program would turn around. That is not a cockyness, its the truth. My staff is top of the line, we work very hard and if that offends you, Im sorry. You obviously do not know who I really am because like Ive said before, I enjoy friends, making people laugh and getting along with people and that includes many officials and coaches in the league who I have alot of respect for and we will end it at that.

[CARL]

If I were a coach I would never take a football job in Holley. All their best athletes play soccer. They win tons of sectional titles and several state titles. As long as Coach Orbaker is in town football will NEVER be the main sport in Holley.

[Former GR Leaguer]

I'll be happy to end it once I reply to your claims that I have been "very negative" towards you in all my posts.

Post #1) "If the facts are so cut-and-dried, I'd be interested to hear them. Please share."

--Just giving you a chance to clear your name and reputation, I don't see how this is negative.

Post #2) "I don't think he had that many tackles in a game either, but I believe he was credited with that amount several times.................."

--This post was not even about you.

Post #3) "What price victory?"

--I explained what I meant by this phrase in my 4th post. Like I said, I don't know you. All I've been able to use to form my opinion of your situation is what I have heard after the fact, what has been said around Genesee County, and what I've read on this site. You no doubt had success as a high school coach. But curiously, during that same period, there was a rash of delinquent activity by students at Elba, some of whom were members of your athletic teams. Am I saying that this was your responsibility? Not at all. Is it fair that you are considered by many as a contributing factor to this behavior? Probably not. However, I do not recall problems such as these occuring during Tom Nowak's tenure, so they must be taken into consideration when another successful coach is let go abruptly during this period of athletic success and against-the-rules activity. There have been several posts on this website stating that once this year's senior class at Elba is gone, things will turn around. Because these seniors were under your tutelage, and because they have exhibited an attitude of resistence to new leadership, I must take this into consideration as well. Unfortunately, circumstances like these have contributed to the reputation that precedes you, deserved or not. My 4th post was mainly asking the question of whether or not a school district is ready to accept the criticism it might face by hiring a coach that would bring along the (for lack of a better word) "baggage" that may follow you. Whether you like it or not, whether it is fair or not, public opinion gives your reputation a checkered rating at best.

[easyrsaidthandone]

I'll be happy to end it once I reply to your claims that I have been "very negative" towards you in all my posts.

Post #1) "If the facts are so cut-and-dried, I'd be interested to hear them. Please share."

--Just giving you a chance to clear your name and reputation, I don't see how this is negative.

Post #2) "I don't think he had that many tackles in a game either, but I believe he was credited with that amount several times.................."

--This post was not even about you.

Post #3) "What price victory?"

--I explained what I meant by this phrase in my 4th post. Like I said, I don't know you. All I've been able to use to form my opinion of your situation is what I have heard after the fact, what has been said around Genesee County, and what I've read on this site. You no doubt had success as a high school coach. But curiously, during that same period, there was a rash of delinquent activity by students at Elba, some of whom were members of your athletic teams. Am I saying that this was your responsibility? Not at all. Is it fair that you are considered by many as a contributing factor to this behavior? Probably not. However, I do not recall problems such as these occuring during Tom Nowak's tenure, so they must be taken into consideration when another successful coach is let go abruptly during this period of athletic success and against-the-rules activity. There have been several posts on this website stating that once this year's senior class at Elba is gone, things will turn around. Because these seniors were under your tutelage, and because they have exhibited an attitude of resistence to new leadership, I must take this into consideration as well. Unfortunately, circumstances like these have contributed to the reputation that precedes you, deserved or not. My 4th post was mainly asking the question of whether or not a school district is ready to accept the criticism it might face by hiring a coach that would bring along the (for lack of a better word) "baggage" that may follow you. Whether you like it or not, whether it is fair or not, public opinion gives your reputation a checkered rating at best.

While knowing Joe well for many years, its fair for me to say that you dont know him at all. While I also have respect for Tom Nowak, you obviously do not know the situation at Elba at all. Tom coaches the Girls at ECS and while a remote few boys had trouble at Elba, during the same time Coach Nowaks girls had trouble, so your Nowak vs. Zambito debate is dead right there. And while I had the pleasure of peeking at Coach Zambito's scouting reports, it was always told to the kids to do their homework, study for tests and quizzes and be nice to your teachers..I also know that coach z had his players to his home once or twice a week for film sessions and dinner. He did this to help keep the kids in line..I also remember the year 1983-1984 when several members of the elba football team were kicked off the team. Now, as far as Joe's checkered rating, many officials and parents (not all) have come up to Joe to tell him how unfairly he was treated at Elba. Joe has even told certain people how he has had some nice conversations with the Super. at Elba after the fact. and they spoke very nicely and she told him, she would give him a nice recommendation. So, with this being said, while I do not think Mr.Zambito needs a lawyer on this thread, its obvious that the situation is so delicate unless you really know every detail of what went on, it would be best not to get into it. I know Joe probably wouldnt want me to say this on this thread, but maybe it will make you understand him a little more...He hates it when people bash him that do not know him it really hurts him inside, why??? Because he is a hell of a guy with a huge heart, and I hope to see him and his staff coaching soon, they deserve to be in the game!

[EBBfan]

GR Leaguer

The reason this subject invokes so many debates, is because of the fact that no one ever came up with a sufficient explanation as to why Coach Zambito was let go. I truly believe that Joe was the victim of of his own success. The Administration and the Board felt that Athletics were playing to large a roll in the school. What they did not stop to consider, was that these athletes were dedicated to there coach and there sport. They worked hard to keep their grades and attendance up. That is why when you say that there had to be reasons behind his dismissal, it always prompts a response from someone who was close to the situation. People just assume that it was because Joe did something wrong, which is just not the case. I am sure that his passion for the game, and the fact that that may have caused him to get carried away in peoples opinion, contributes to that. Not every single parent, official, etc, liked Joe. wether because of thre son's playing time, or the fact that he was loud, It is impossible to please everyone. I just hope people who were not close to the situation would not assume the worst. We all know what happens when you assume.

[xxxfootballxxx]

I figured that would go over your head. What I meant was, how much is a school district (for the sake of this discussion, Holley) willing to sacrifice in order to have a winning football program? Are they willing to hire a coach with a reputation such as the one that precedes Mr. Zambito? Now before everybody flips out, let me say that I do not know Mr. Zambito personally, never played against his teams, and most of what I have heard about him (pro or con) has been after the fact or from this site. I'm not trying to condemn him in any way or paint a bad picture. But lets be serious here: a.)schools don't fire successful coaches without good reasons, b.) whether he or any of his supporters like it or not, there are many out there who are strongly against him and his coaching methods/philosophy no matter how much he loves his players, and c.) Mr. Zambito's reputation is for the most part negative throughout Genesee County. To hire him would more than likely cause an uproar throughout whatever district takes that chance. My question is, is that district ready to deal with the backlash that could result, and are they ready to have their ethics/morals questioned by the all-powerful court of public opinion?

well former gr leaguer i have been watching this site for several weeks. First of all i dont know you or zambito. If you are against him nobody real cares call him up and tell him or if you see him on the street talk to him and tell him what you think. By the looks of it alot of people have alot to say but they are behind there computors saying it step up and look him in the face and tell him what you are thinking hiding behide a screen is nut less,or if you a women gut less. I have seen that he has won sectionals in both football and basketball and if you coach gr person you would know how hard it is to win those titles. I have been to alot of football games and basketball, coached and watched if you are a coach you want to win and sometimes poeple get caught up in the game is it wrong yes but if your a coach you probally played some kind of sports in your life and the competive itch is always in your body. The stats speak for themselves the actions you display are your resonsablity. To blast a coach for players drinking or getting in trouble NOT HIS FAULT you cant be there 24 hours a day for the kids...They are teenagers the do want they want when they want......It goes on in monore, genesee, all over the united states but to blame the coach is wrong. That is the kids decision to do bad, not the reflection of the coach...So for the wrong the kids do its not zambito,nowak faults it the person who broke the rules. So give the credit to the coaches that win sectional and to the coaches who dont because it take up alot of time to do both. So if a community want to bring him back i dont really think the baggage will follow, I had almost the same situation happen in rochester and that coach is at a different school and he brought a winning attiude to that school....what the kids do off the field is the parents duty not coaches. for the former GR leaguer Let the people decide what they are gonna think your thought really doesnt matter if he coaches again it wont change anything in your life enless you coach against him the you will need to worry but until then everyone get a life and dont worry about other people because those people arent worried about you. It is those people that concern themslves with little things that have nothing better to do.. I can see that he get under alot of peoples skin but you all need to relax he is human and what happened to him would hurt alot of coaches in situation so my final word is Gr former league find a hobby and zambito dont take what people say to heart...I was in your situation and know i am coaching again and proveing everyone wrong and even the jealouse people are shaking my hand. My team is in the finals with alot of hard work. So everyone leave this alone get back to life because it is short and people are crule...But if you need to say something to someone say it so they can defend themselves.

[DrewVT6]

:rolleyes: wow. people really do enjoy beating dead horses. :rolleyes:

I guess this has become a public interview process for the Holley Football job.

If I were looking for a coach that would bring success to my program, real maturity to my young men and pride in the community I would choose someone like Coach Zambito.

If I were more concerned about having every parent in town like me, every kid being my "buddy" and fulfilling every whim of any board member, I would probably not hire Coach Zambito. I would look for a nice soft spoken, meek kind of guy who who makes parents and kids feel nice inside despite their W-L record.

From my experience, it takes guts to be a leader, lots of hard work to succeed and it takes teaching "life" rather than just a sport's technique to build a successful program. It seems to me that Coach Z had two successful programs, lots of young men who had learned life lessons and who had learned what it takes to succeed.

I'm sure anyone hiring him will take due dilligence and do a "background check", but I'm sure they'll find exponentially more positive reviews, especially from those with first hand experience under his tutelage.

Take that you dead horse!

[CARL]

Who would want the Holley football job? In Holley you would always be a second class sport to soccer. Thats the way it is and thats the way it will stay.

[joeZam1]

Who would want the Holley football job? In Holley you would always be a second class sport to soccer. Thats the way it is and thats the way it will stay.

Carl, I totally see where you are coming from. But what I would like to see in Holley is to have someone turn that football program around. I have alot of respect for Coach O. but how about that great wrestling team.I would love to coach up some of those wrestlers. Holley has some great people in it and they deserve to see some good football. From what Ive heard the jvs did very well this year.Maybe the jv coaches can do the job, Good luck to them.

[Mustangs24]

Who would want the Holley football job? In Holley you would always be a second class sport to soccer. Thats the way it is and thats the way it will stay.

It's a challenge, and real coaches like challenges. By "real" I mean those who coach for the right reasons and not just an extra paycheck - like the ones that babysit for 2 hours and could care less about how the team performs or what the kids do in and out of practice/games. Going into a school like Holley, or any other that needs to be rebuilt, can be a great experience. You get to go into a district and take over an entire program trying to build it up from mods. through varsity...you'll have your battles, players and parents will not like change and have their complaints, you'll lose some players - gain others, be stessed, fail, succeed, grow, learn. It's an experience, that's for sure.

[CARL]

It's a challenge, and real coaches like challenges........ Going into a school like Holley, or any other that needs to be rebuilt........

Holley is not like 99% of the other schools around. It's main sport is soccer.
In most schools the main sport, no matter how successful the soccer team, is always FOOTBALL. But not in Holley. I only point this out so that people who are unaware of the culture of Holley are made fully aware of the challenges that the football coaches face up there. I mean how many schools do you know where the Big Friday night Homecoming game is Soccer, and the football game is on saturday afternoon???!!!

[DrewVT6]

Actually Holley is closer to 99% of the local schools. Football is not really that big in this area except for at a select few school. It carries nowhere near the status it does in other regions of this country. I would say schools like Cal-Mum, Leroy, Hornell, etc are the odd balls in Section V.

[hardcorefan]

Actually Holley is closer to 99% of the local schools. Football is not really that big in this area except for at a select few school. It carries nowhere near the status it does in other regions of this country. I would say schools like Cal-Mum, Leroy, Hornell, etc are the odd balls in Section V.


what about oakfield ?? football is a big part in everyschool good or bad nuthing compares to it

[Former GR Leaguer]

xxxfootballxxx, easysaidthandone, etc....

Did I say that Mr. Zambito was solely responsible for the athletes drinking, or getting caught drinking? No. Re-read the post, my answer was "not at all". However, when situations like those occur, the public looks to two sets of individuals for answers: the parents of the athletes, and the coaches of the athletes. Is this fair to the coaches? Nope. Their job is to coach, not to parent. Unfortunately, they are still held somewhat accountable, whether it is fair or not, whether they like it or not. It is a responsibility that you must carry if you are a coach, be it high school, college, pros. As for Nowak and his team in '83-'84, I did not know that that had occured, it was before my time, so thank you for pointing that out. Like I said before, I can only base my opinion off of what I have heard, or in terms of this website, what I have read. I am also not a coach, in the GR or anywhere for that matter.

Finally, as stated before, the purpose of the "What price victory" post was to ask the question of how much a school district is willing to hire any coach (in this case, because it is a thread about Holley, and hiring
Mr. Zambito at Holley had been brought up long before I started posting here) who will bring with him/her the past that Mr. Zambito would bring? Was Mr. Zambito a successful coach? No doubt, and I did write that before. But unfortunately for him, the events that occured while he was the coach at Elba and the opinions that they generate would follow him to Holley or anywhere in the GR if he was hired there. Is this fair? No, I said it wasn't fair before and I'll say it again. But let's face it, its a small county and word/opinion travels fast, bad words/bad opinions travel faster. I'm sorry that you all have a hard time admitting that hiring Mr. Zambito would cause at the least some public debate, but hey, the truth hurts sometimes.

[CARL]

Actually Holley is closer to 99% of the local schools. Football is not really that big in this area except for at a select few school. It carries nowhere near the status it does in other regions of this country. I would say schools like Cal-Mum, Leroy, Hornell, etc are the odd balls in Section V.

You missed the point. I was comparing football in Holley with football at local schools not all schools in the country. My point is that football is the main sport in just about every school in the area EXCEPT in Holley.

[CARL]

I think section V has maybe 60/40 breakdown of football/soccer dominated schools. I think a lot of the smaller schools are soccer places, most of the larger schools are football places and the midsized schools are split up. It might be 70/30, but Section V is definitely not a place where every school is football football football.

Well prove me wrong. Name a school that has both soccer and football where soccer is the biggest sport. Biggest= more fans, more publicity, etc.

[hilly]

Chad has done a great job coaching futball at Alexander and would make a great coach. Wait, futball is not football.
Nevermind.
Hire Zambito and build a good program. That's what Holley should do. And Joe shouldn't balk at the chance. The guy loves football and needs it in his life to truly be happy. Us football guys are like that. No football, no being happy. It is a marriage made in heaven and the GR would have a team in Holley that would be able to compete - and eventually win - and Joe could have his inner peace.
Win-win.
Unless Chad knows football and futball (is that how the Euro's spell it?). Then I would hire Chad. Alexander is kicking some butt in girls soccer - I mean futball - this year.

[DrewVT6]

Well prove me wrong. Name a school that has both soccer and football where soccer is the biggest sport. Biggest= more fans, more publicity, etc.

Spencerport, Brockport, Penfield, Brighton...

[hilly]

HA I figured out that they are different sports - it took me a while. I think I could coach football - I would hire assistant coaches that knew what they were doing and I would just let them do their thing - then I would take all the credit. I would tape signals like I learned from the Patriots...I would pay off refs because every time I go to a high school football game that is what all the parents scream throughout the game...I would use poor sportsmanship because winning teams always get accused of that by everyone on the losing team or the rival towns that wanted them to lose...I would make sure my kids were on steroids because that seems to be a common complaint among teams that lose to teams that are bigger "those boys must be on steroids - they are too big"...hmmm...and I would try to get lucky by having the other team beat themselves by turning the ball over and committing penalties because I also have figured out that you don't win a game - the other team loses it....

How am I doing so far?


Well done my friend.
But remember, you can't teach flopping for a call in football. That only works with girls in futball. And there is a chance that when you get hit, you might actually get hurt in football ... that is usually when you get a call.
And you must worry about the juice in football, but you can't all have mohawks and blue hair in this sport.
If you have a blue mohawk and whine that the guy on the other team pushed you too hard, you might get your head stuck in a toilet.
Oh and you might actually be able to hire assistant coaches ... many of them. That's because people in America love football. Then you can sit around and let the other guys do the work.


Who am I kidding ... I am one of the few football fans that actually like soccer. I just had to bust your chops. Keep up the good work in Alexander, but remember always that FOOTBALL is America's game.

[Section5sportsguy]

You know I started this thread as a joke, but this may get Joe Zam a job. Amazing.

[joeZam1]

You know I started this thread as a joke, but this may get Joe Zam a job. Amazing.

LOL! Crazy right? Well if you do, I figured that with the time I put in at Elba I made about 1/2 cent per hour...If I get a coaching job, You get Half!:)

[Section5sportsguy]

LOL! Crazy right? Well if you do, I figured that with the time I put in at Elba I made about 1/2 cent per hour...If I get a coaching job, You get Half!:)

I have your word.

[easyrsaidthandone]

LOL! Crazy right? Well if you do, I figured that with the time I put in at Elba I made about 1/2 cent per hour...If I get a coaching job, You get Half!:)

And you want to come back and coach why??? For the money or the abuse.

[TopShelf]

And you want to come back and coach why??? For the money or the abuse.

I'm sure he wants to come back for the love of the game.

[ducej11]

anyone know where things are at with Holley now? Do you know if they decided to move forward with their youth coach running the varsity program?

[sandman20]

anyone know where things are at with Holley now? Do you know if they decided to move forward with their youth coach running the varsity program?

Holley should put the ad in the paper there is alot of good coaches out there that arent coaching. They need to get a coach with alot of experince and know what they are doing to turn that program. There is alot of potentional

[BravesRTops]

LOL! Crazy right? Well if you do, I figured that with the time I put in at Elba I made about 1/2 cent per hour...If I get a coaching job, You get Half!:)
bring back joe

[ducej11]

well, guys thats part of the problem. I know a terrific coach that preaches funademtals and sportsmanship, with a ton of high school coaching experience. Actually was on the coaching staff of one of section V's best teams this past season. I have talked to him about it, and he said that he would drop everything for that job.

But I think the AD isn't looking for anyone. That is where the problem is. He doesn't realize that he has a youth coach at best running a varsity program. They are terrible, I went to a couple of the JV games and I was noticing a bunch of coaching flaws, one being the play calling. And the stances by the lineman were terrible, which tells me that he is not teaching proper fundamentals.

Holley is a hot bed that really wants football to take off. People talk about it being a soccer town, thats because its never had football before. That is an amazing chance and they are going to screw it up. They will be mediocre at best and its going to turn off a lot of people. Thats too bad, so much potential!

[ducej11]

I am telling you, being at those JV games. They are ready for football to take over. And winning obviously is going to help. But if they muddle around in 2-3 wins a year land, its going to kill the novelty effect and crush any chance in the near future to build a good program.

[ducej11]

yeah mine is just opinion too, but I just got the feeling from seeing all the excitement at the games. But it could be just from it being new still. Who knows.

[easyrsaidthandone]

I think there is a group that would like football to take over. But I just don't see football becoming sport #1 in that place any time soon. I have no hard evidence to state it - its just an opinion.

If Holley did get smart, and Joe Z. and his crew did go to Holley, it probably wont take them long, like them or not, they are GREAT football coaches. And knowing all 3 guys, they are good people too! Get Smart HOLLEY, thoses guys could take you to the promise land if you let them.

[ducej11]

I think we can all agree that there are a lot of coaches out there that can do a great job. Thats one of the reasons why I am so surprised they are settling for what they have.

[xxxfootballxxx]

I think we can all agree that there are a lot of coaches out there that can do a great job. Thats one of the reasons why I am so surprised they are settling for what they have.

Is anyone from Holley that knows whats going on over there for football???

[ducej11]

I was hoping someone on here was from Holley that might know a little more about whats going on.

[TheSpazman]

You are mistaken, they did not have enough Juniors and Seniors to have a varsity team so they went JV and the Seniors and Juniors were left off. The have blown some teams out, I saw them beat Red Jacket 49-0. However the coaches will get crushed at the next level, they are clueless and can get away with that at the JV level, but not the varsity level.

There were several Juniors who were a key factor in beating Red Jacket. They were often left in to play even after it was evident that the game was well in hand for Holley.

[hilly]

Oakfield's soccer team has improved a great deal the last few years. They started out with very little and have built a team that competes in division 2 right now - that is a start. And you have to start somewhere.


What was O-A's record last year?

[boobiemiles]

What was O-A's record last year?

they were 4-11-1 this year, 2-12-1 last year, they were 1-15-0 two years ago, and they were 0-16-0 the year before... so they are on pace for 8 wins next year.


unlike the holley football program... Just kidding

[bcherry8]

Holley's JV football program is the biggest joke i have ever seen in my life. They will get a HUGE wake-up call when their juniors, who are used to bullying kids who are much younger and not yet prepared to play against kids of that age, actually play a team their own size. And before you say, well, juniors play against kids older than them on varsity, sophomores and freshmen on a jv team are not as prepared to play the game at a varsity level, and are certainly not as physically developed as those older juniors who should be playing kids their own size. So, essentially, it was Holley's unofficial varsity team with some sophomores sitting the bench, as their juniors play the whole game, against our OA team, which was not even supposed to play them, and we also were missing all of our sophomores and our best freshman player, as they were called up to varisty. The Holley players that age wouldnt even START on our jv team. But playing juniors is an entirely different story. Had every player in our program eligible to play jv been actually playing for jv at the time, im thinking the final score would have been about 70-0 OA. As for the play of the actual game, it was filled with hits after the whistle, hits from behind when the ball was nowhere near where the contact was made, and blatantly obvious attempts to injure our players. All of those actions by rule warrant penaties and possible ejections and suspensions, but the punishment for this bullying of younger kids was nowhere to be found. The officials who worked this game should never be allowed to officiate again, and penalties should have been given to Holley's school for what occurred during the season. Think about the safety of the kids participating in the game before you worry about the numbers lit up on a scoreboard. And yes, these are kids, not professional or college players, and i think it is juvenile to intentionally try to injure them and possibly cause some kind of damage that could last them the rest of their lives. That was not a football game, it was kids who should have been competing on a varisity level taking numbers and trying to disable kids who should have been competing with people their own size. I have absoutely no respect for the players, coaches, and fans of the Holley fooball program after the travesty they got away with this season. And i hope the same thing happens to Holley's football players when they play kids their own size, so they can see how it feels and maybe then they can realize THAT THIER FOOTBALL PROGRAM IS NOTHING BUT A JOKE!

[BravesRTops]

Holley's JV football program is the biggest joke i have ever seen in my life. They will get a HUGE wake-up call when their juniors, who are used to bullying kids who are much younger and not yet prepared to play against kids of that age, actually play a team their own size. And before you say, well, juniors play against kids older than them on varsity, sophomores and freshmen on a jv team are not as prepared to play the game at a varsity level, and are certainly not as physically developed as those older juniors who should be playing kids their own size. So, essentially, it was Holley's unofficial varsity team with some sophomores sitting the bench, as their juniors play the whole game, against our OA team, which was not even supposed to play them, and we also were missing all of our sophomores and our best freshman player, as they were called up to varisty. The Holley players that age wouldnt even START on our jv team. But playing juniors is an entirely different story. Had every player in our program eligible to play jv been actually playing for jv at the time, im thinking the final score would have been about 70-0 OA. As for the play of the actual game, it was filled with hits after the whistle, hits from behind when the ball was nowhere near where the contact was made, and blatantly obvious attempts to injure our players. All of those actions by rule warrant penaties and possible ejections and suspensions, but the punishment for this bullying of younger kids was nowhere to be found. The officials who worked this game should never be allowed to officiate again, and penalties should have been given to Holley's school for what occurred during the season. Think about the safety of the kids participating in the game before you worry about the numbers lit up on a scoreboard. And yes, these are kids, not professional or college players, and i think it is juvenile to intentionally try to injure them and possibly cause some kind of damage that could last them the rest of their lives. That was not a football game, it was kids who should have been competing on a varisity level taking numbers and trying to disable kids who should have been competing with people their own size. I have absoutely no respect for the players, coaches, and fans of the Holley fooball program after the travesty they got away with this season. And i hope the same thing happens to Holley's football players when they play kids their own size, so they can see how it feels and maybe then they can realize THAT THIER FOOTBALL PROGRAM IS NOTHING BUT A JOKE!
Listen to this rook. Must have been the refs from the infamous LeRoy game

[boobiemiles]

Listen to this rook. Must have been the refs from the infamous LeRoy game
i think tim donaghy was the lead ref for both those games

[BravesRTops]

i think tim donaghy was the lead ref for both those games
He owed vick dog fighting money

[boobiemiles]

He owed vick dog fighting money
i think he owed pacman some stripper money too

[bcherry8]

thanks guys, lol

[TurnTwo]

Does Louis Timon play Wide Reciever?

[boobiemiles]

no. what a dumb question. he lines up at quarterback every play and runs up the middle for a touchdown everytime. he was actively recruited by USC, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, and several other BCS teams. at least thats what i found out about him on scouuts.org.edu. but i don't think he actually exists :).

[TurnTwo]

no. what a dumb question. he lines up at quarterback every play and runs up the middle for a touchdown everytime. he was actively recruited by USC, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, and several other BCS teams. at least thats what i found out about him on scouuts.org.edu. but i don't think he actually exists :).

Haha, he must be on Top 100 list for the Northeast.

[boobiemiles]

Haha, he must be on Top 100 list for the Northeast.
i actually think he's a 6 star prospect.

[Scbhawks23]

Chad DeRock the current coach at Holley also coaches Basketball. I played for him my senior year in 2006 on the hardcourt. DeRock brings intensity and devotion to Basketball and thats not even his most loved sport. On the same note, when we played Elba in my two years on Varisty Basketball, I saw the same in Mr. Zambito. Both are big men with big voices, you can not hold that against them if they sound more violent as that does not effect their behavior. Zambito does hold the edge on DeRock because Chad does not have as much of experience as him. I dont know who will coach Holley in 2008, but both are two good candidates.

[Section5sportsguy]

no. what a dumb question. he lines up at quarterback every play and runs up the middle for a touchdown everytime. he was actively recruited by USC, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, and several other BCS teams. at least thats what i found out about him on scouuts.org.edu. but i don't think he actually exists :).

Its true he has all these offers, but he's going to go to Morrisville so he can be close to home.

[TurnTwo]

Holley football is a go next year pending board approval which shouldn't be a problem.

Holley has no plans to hire Joe Zambito, or any outside hire for that matter as Head Coach.

My source is their athletic director.

[Footballfan33]

Any news about Holley having a Varsity team yet ?? I hear it's holding up the scheduling of the GR League..

[TurnTwo]

Any news about Holley having a Varsity team yet ?? I hear it's holding up the scheduling of the GR League..

They're waiting on board approval.

[joeZam1]

To put all rumors to bed, I will not be at Holley Central. They are set with their staff and are moving ahead. No need to make the current staff upset about crazy rumors. If things did not work out for Coach Derock at Holley, or if he moves on you never know, but I wish him and the Holley Hawks success with getting their football program off the ground.

[baidog]

I don't know where the original post went but there was a question about Elba and BB playing football together. Any idea why the team on the edutech GR football schedule is listed as Elba/BB?

[hilly]

I don't know where the original post went but there was a question about Elba and BB playing football together. Any idea why the team on the edutech GR football schedule is listed as Elba/BB?



Waiting on approval. I'm working on a column or story and only have a few details. I'll post it after it runs in the paper. There is some crazy stuff going on with GR football this offseason.

[sectionvalum]

Waiting on approval. I'm working on a column or story and only have a few details. I'll post it after it runs in the paper. There is some crazy stuff going on with GR football this offseason.

If Holley fields a team this year that means OA will not be able to play a non-division game. Last years game versus E.R. was beneficial to them because they actually saw a contender late in the season before sectionals. This could hurt OA by Coach Dowd not being able to schedule a meaninful game versus a worthy opponent.

[TurnTwo]

Waiting on approval. I'm working on a column or story and only have a few details. I'll post it after it runs in the paper. There is some crazy stuff going on with GR football this offseason.

JJ Biegas at Quarterback. I saw his player page.

[bcherry8]

If Holley fields a team this year that means OA will not be able to play a non-division game. Last years game versus E.R. was beneficial to them because they actually saw a contender late in the season before sectionals. This could hurt OA by Coach Dowd not being able to schedule a meaninful game versus a worthy opponent.
Yeah, but you dont have to worry about JV kids getting hurt because of players who are supposed to be too old to play JV. I dont care if they dont have varsity or not, you have to think about the safety of the kids. Its not varsity.

[sectionvalum]

Yeah, but you dont have to worry about JV kids getting hurt because of players who are supposed to be too old to play JV. I dont care if they dont have varsity or not, you have to think about the safety of the kids. Its not varsity.

Im not exactly sure what you mean. Can you give me an example?

[GRBball2008]

I believe that what he means is because Holley had older players (Juniors and Seniors) on there JV team it risked the saftey of the other JV teams players who were only freshmen and sophmores.

[sectionvalum]

I believe that what he means is because Holley had older players (Juniors and Seniors) on there JV team it risked the saftey of the other JV teams players who were only freshmen and sophmores.

Id be willing to bet Oakfield's JV could beat Holley's varsity squad anyway. It is no different when Elba used to put 9th and 10th graders on their modified teams because they didn't have a JV. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

[GRBball2008]

I'm not totally sure about this but i believe the OA jv team got beaten quite badly by the Holley JV/ Varsity team. And it used to be only 9th graders could play mod. for elba and 10th had to move up to varsity, but now freshmen have to be moved up to varsity as well so there is only 7th and 8th on the mod. team.

[bcherry8]

I'm not totally sure about this but i believe the OA jv team got beaten quite badly by the Holley JV/ Varsity team. And it used to be only 9th graders could play mod. for elba and 10th had to move up to varsity, but now freshmen have to be moved up to varsity as well so there is only 7th and 8th on the mod. team.
Yeah, OA did lose pretty badly, but they had just had their top players pulled up to varsity, and as a result it was for the most part freshmen against juniors

[joeZam1]

Id be willing to bet Oakfield's JV could beat Holley's varsity squad anyway. It is no different when Elba used to put 9th and 10th graders on their modified teams because they didn't have a JV. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

FYI: Not sure whats going on with ecs football now, but when I coached all 10th graders played varsity and only a select few 9th graders played mods.

[sectionvalum]

FYI: Not sure whats going on with ecs football now, but when I coached all 10th graders played varsity and only a select few 9th graders played mods.

Sorry must have been misinformed when I was playing. Honest mistake.

[Wise Guy]

Actually ninth graders at elba played modified due to no jv program until 2004 when injuries to other schools resulted in them not wanting to play against elba. so in the middle of the season all but about four ninth grade players went to varsity with coach zambito. since then ninth graders must play varsity at elba.

[hawk101]

Here's the facts for those who haven't done their homework.

Holley's JV team this past year, did NOT have any Seniors on the team at all. Next there were only 5 Juniors on the Team; 1 of which only played 3 or 4 games. Another one who didn't play as much. and then that leaves the other 3, which mind you; they are not big boys at all, at least those 3 juniors.

Most of the Team was actually made up of Freshman and Sophmores and 1 eigth grade student.

Any of you would have known that; had you checked out the roster. so now what? I guess that you have to give up the theory of the team mostly consisting of Juniors, because that's not the case.

Also as to where the program is going, well starting last year, was basically the rebirth of the whole holley football program. there is so much in the process of making that program successful. most of you just don't know because you're not there, nor are you a part of it all.

I guarentee you that you will only see the program start to grow more and more every year. Many of the players that will be playing this upcoming season, are hard working, dedicated, they have what it takes.

It doesn't matter that Holley has a successful soccer program, within time Holley football will be there as well. It starts with a group of dedicated people and from there it grows.

all you negative people will be proven wrong, just wait and see. and that's all I have to say about it.

[boobiemiles]

Here's the facts for those who haven't done their homework.

Holley's JV team this past year, did NOT have any Seniors on the team at all. Next there were only 5 Juniors on the Team; 1 of which only played 3 or 4 games. Another one who didn't play as much. and then that leaves the other 3, which mind you; they are not big boys at all, at least those 3 juniors.

Most of the Team was actually made up of Freshman and Sophmores and 1 eigth grade student.

Any of you would have known that; had you checked out the roster. so now what? I guess that you have to give up the theory of the team mostly consisting of Juniors, because that's not the case.

Also as to where the program is going, well starting last year, was basically the rebirth of the whole holley football program. there is so much in the process of making that program successful. most of you just don't know because you're not there, nor are you a part of it all.

I guarentee you that you will only see the program start to grow more and more every year. Many of the players that will be playing this upcoming season, are hard working, dedicated, they have what it takes.

It doesn't matter that Holley has a successful soccer program, within time Holley football will be there as well. It starts with a group of dedicated people and from there it grows.

all you negative people will be proven wrong, just wait and see. and that's all I have to say about it.
where's the roster?

[hawk101]

any Athletic Director would have access to that as well as a HS football coach. and Holley had programs last year as well, with the roster in it.
contact the school. or your own.

[bcherry8]

Here's the facts for those who haven't done their homework.

Holley's JV team this past year, did NOT have any Seniors on the team at all. Next there were only 5 Juniors on the Team; 1 of which only played 3 or 4 games. Another one who didn't play as much. and then that leaves the other 3, which mind you; they are not big boys at all, at least those 3 juniors.

Most of the Team was actually made up of Freshman and Sophmores and 1 eigth grade student.

Any of you would have known that; had you checked out the roster. so now what? I guess that you have to give up the theory of the team mostly consisting of Juniors, because that's not the case.

Also as to where the program is going, well starting last year, was basically the rebirth of the whole holley football program. there is so much in the process of making that program successful. most of you just don't know because you're not there, nor are you a part of it all.

I guarentee you that you will only see the program start to grow more and more every year. Many of the players that will be playing this upcoming season, are hard working, dedicated, they have what it takes.

It doesn't matter that Holley has a successful soccer program, within time Holley football will be there as well. It starts with a group of dedicated people and from there it grows.

all you negative people will be proven wrong, just wait and see. and that's all I have to say about it.
Still a joke until proven otherwise at the varsity level