league awards

[bball4]

Now that GR season is complete below is a list of my awards:

First Team All-Star (6 per all-star, for league generally picks twelve):

Geise & Francis (ND), Wofley (Attica), Williams (WC), Davis (OA), Torrey (Elba)

Second Team All-Star

Castor (Lyn), Woodworth (Elba), Kirkum (OA), Boccicho (ND), Richardson (WC), Babcock (Pem)

Offensive Player of the Year: Wofley
Defensive Player of the Year: Geise
Player of the Year: Geise

Coach of Year: Mike Rapone (ND)

Division II dominated the awards as they did the season I believe the crossover records was 26 wins & 4 loses,.

[hilly]

Now that GR season is complete below is a list of my awards:

First Team All-Star (6 per all-star, for league generally picks twelve):

Geise & Francis (ND), Wofley (Attica), Williams (WC), Davis (OA), Torrey (Elba)

Second Team All-Star

Castor (Lyn), Woodworth (Elba), Kirkum (OA), Boccicho (ND), Richardson (WC), Babcock (Pem)

Offensive Player of the Year: Wofley
Defensive Player of the Year: Geise
Player of the Year: Geise

Coach of Year: Mike Rapone (ND)

Division II dominated the awards as they did the season I believe the crossover records was 26 wins & 4 loses,.




i agree with these picks for the most part, but woodworth should be above torrey. and i'd say andrew wright from pembroke should be in there, probably over babcock.

[FALLBALL]

I saw alot of GR games this year, and agree with all your thoughts but I think Wolfley should be the player of the year

[hilly]

I saw alot of GR games this year, and agree with all your thoughts but I think Wolfley should be the player of the year


giese is the pick. winning should matter. wolfley is a great player, but his team wasn't very good.

[overnback]

The education of hilly continues. Ask yourself this, if Giese was on Attica and Wolfley was on ND would Attica have been better? Big no there. ND, however would be getting measured for their state championship jackets, that you so covet. Hang in there hilly, you'll learn something if you keep at it.

[hilly]

The education of hilly continues. Ask yourself this, if Giese was on Attica and Wolfley was on ND would Attica have been better? Big no there. ND, however would be getting measured for their state championship jackets, that you so covet. Hang in there hilly, you'll learn something if you keep at it.


so using your logic, the mvp award should go to the player that scores the most points. wins don't mean anything. if we are going with that, wolfley is the mvp for the boys and jenny cole from kendall is the girls mvp. she led the girls in scoring, but her team went 3-14. forget marci jonathan, who scored less and plays on an undefeated team. she wouldn't get the award because elba has other good players.
wolfley is probably the most talented player in the league ... yes. but an mvp leads his team to wins.

[overnback]

hilly, you have much to learn grasshopper. Remember, you cannot see if you refuse to open your eyes. I think it's best to let the wise men decide when the coaches get together to pick the all-leaguers. Anybody know when that will happen?
And I didn't mention points in my previous post. I asked if Geise could lead Attica w/o Wolfley to more than 10 wins?

[Section5sportsguy]

Wolfley is clearly the MVP of the league. Without him, Attica would struggle to beat most JV teams. It is also to be noted that Wolfley broke the Attica career scoring record in his junior season.

[#1Alexander]

Donovan Flint was clearly the best player in the GR this year.

One time I saw him grab rim with two hands.

[hilly]

hilly, you have much to learn grasshopper. Remember, you cannot see if you refuse to open your eyes. I think it's best to let the wise men decide when the coaches get together to pick the all-leaguers. Anybody know when that will happen?
And I didn't mention points in my previous post. I asked if Geise could lead Attica w/o Wolfley to more than 10 wins?


giese very well could lead attica as well as wolfley does. he is a great defensive player and he can score at will. last season he scored a ton of points in most games. this year his supporting cast has stepped up big time and he's been getting the ball to the right players.
i'm not knocking wolfley. i think he's an amazing talent, but his team didn't win enough games to make him an mvp.

[#1Alexander]

giese very well could lead attica as well as wolfley does. he is a great defensive player and he can score at will. last season he scored a ton of points in most games. this year his supporting cast has stepped up big time and he's been getting the ball to the right players.
i'm not knocking wolfley. i think he's an amazing talent, but his team didn't win enough games to make him an mvp.

What's with you and Karl Giese?

[hilly]

just making the point that giese is a better choice for mvp. notre dame gets a lot of disrespect on this site.

and you better watch the language. you have said some pretty outlandish stuff and you are not adding to the conversations.

[overnback]

just making the point that giese is a better choice for mvp. notre dame gets a lot of disrespect on this site.

and you better watch the language. you have said some pretty outlandish stuff and you are not adding to the conversations.

Did you ever think it (disrespect) may be backlash for your over the top proclamations? At least in some of my posts I put "In my opinion..." or "I think that...". The way that you declare something as fact when it is subjective opinion turns people against you. Or maybe your wiser than us and have discovered the keys to ways of the hardwood and we shouldn't have a contrary(sp) opinion.

[Section5sportsguy]

Perhaps Hillabush should write a story in the paper on how great Giese is.

[Section5sportsguy]

In my humble opinion I think that Hillabush doesnt have much respect for Wolfley, seeing as how he misquoted Wolfley in the paper trying to make it appear that Wolfley was an arrogant player who thinks his teammates are bad, which he is not.

[hilly]

In my humble opinion I think that Hillabush doesnt have much respect for Wolfley, seeing as how he misquoted Wolfley in the paper trying to make it appear that Wolfley was an arrogant player who thinks his teammates are bad, which he is not.



i have a ton of respect for wolfley. i think he's an awesome player and you've seen me write it a million times. i agreed with the offensive player of the year for him and defensive player for giese. but i think giese is a better choice for mvp because of his team's record.
and he was not misquoted. i tape every interview. he said that his team will keep working and will get better. that's something a leader would say.
and by the way ... wolfley/giese/davis ... remember the preview.

[lcaabasketball]

I had a chance to see all the GR teams play this year, and they definitely have some talented players in the league. I can't help but deny the fact that Wolfley did the most his team. He was difficult to shut down night in and night out. I would have to say he would be my choice for mvp of the league. I understand his team didn't have the most wins or best season. By your logic Hilly, should the mvp always come from the team with most wins?

[TurnTwo]

valuable -adj.- of considerable use, service, or importance

No one in this league was of more considerable use or importance to his team than Wolfley was. There's no denying that.

Add me to the growing list of people who consider Wolfley to be the unanimous GR MVP.

[hilly]

I had a chance to see all the GR teams play this year, and they definitely have some talented players in the league. I can't help but deny the fact that Wolfley did the most his team. He was difficult to shut down night in and night out. I would have to say he would be my choice for mvp of the league. I understand his team didn't have the most wins or best season. By your logic Hilly, should the mvp always come from the team with most wins?


i do not say it is the team with the most wins, but the team has to be more than a .500 team. take a look at kendall last year. they had the big guy (whose name escapes me at this moment) and he put up big numbers every night. and if we are talking mvp players that play on teams that aren't near the top of the standings, why isn't alex williams thrown into the mix?
wolfley is a great player and is probably the most talented player in the league, but i do believe wins have to factor into an mvp discussion.
if his supporting cast improves heading into next year, attica may very well be a 15-18 win team and wolfley would be the mvp if he matched his play from this year. no doubt

[BigVFan]

If you take Wolfley off of Attica they win 0 games. If you take Giese off of ND they still win at least 15. Look at it how you want to but in terms of Most valuable to his team its an easy call.

[hilly]

this is going nowhere. some people believe it is the player on his own earns the most wins for his team, some believe the mvp should be the best player on the best team. happens in all leagues.

[TurnTwo]

If you take Wolfley off of Attica they win 0 games. If you take Giese off of ND they still win at least 15. Look at it how you want to but in terms of Most valuable to his team its an easy call.

Enough with the bashing on the rest of the Attica team.

You make it sound like he's playing with a bunch of pre-schoolers. Attica is not a 0 win team without Wolfley; that statement is ridiculous. Yes, Wolfley is extremely talented, but if Wolfley didn't score 24 points per game, someone else would pick up the slack. Attica's game plan revolves around Wolfley and that's why he scores so many points.

They are a talented team with good athletes. It was nothing but a lack of Varsity experience that hurt the rest of the teams performance.

Wolfley had 2 years of varsity experience coming into this season. The rest of team? None. No player beside Wolfley on Attica had ever played one period of varsity basketball. There was one senior on the roster, and he had never played organized basketball before. Excluding D-Wolf, the other 5 juniors had only a combined 8 seasons of JV basketball. Attica also routinely started two sophomores, Shawn Dupuis at guard, and Matt Sheffield at center.

Everyone's talking like Attica sucks and Wolfley is the only reason they won a game this year. Let's not forget what Attica lost to graduation this year. Pat Mest, Donny Kirsch, Rob Crowley, Chris Hawk and many solid bench players in Ben Kelver, Zach Ewert, Peter Bartz and Dan Zehler. That's a hell of a lot to lose to graduation.

Attica managed to go ~.500 despite the 8 losses to graduation (4 of whom were starters, 3 of whom were All-GR), coupled with the team's inexperience. When you think about it, Attica far exceeded expectations when facing that much adversity.

Looking forward to next year is exciting to say the least, these young players now have a full season under their belt, and Wolfley is only getting better. Right now, I'm saying 17-3 in '07-'08, and a GR Title. No doubt.

Give them time, and enough with the bashing on Wolfley's supporting cast.

[V10baller]

I couldnt have said it better. Attica lacked experiece this year but will be much better next year if they continue to improve. They've got shooters and speed and of course Wolfley. Now they just have to use it.

[Section5sportsguy]

Good points made by Turntwo and V10.

[TopShelf]

I competely agree with TurnTwo, on nearly everything. Yes, the team did not have almost any varsity expirence, except for the sectional call-ups. The lone senior on the team, Stone, has played organized basketball before. However, that was back in 8th grade, in modified.

The team was hit hard from the graduation of the class of '06. That group that TurnTwo included the Attica all-time leading scorer, until Wolfley broke that record this season. Let's not forget that last years team won the GR Title easily.

As of now, with the team basically going to be the same. Maybe with the addition of a sophmore, in Westimier (sp), is about all. I'm going to say with the team with a year of expirence goes 15-5, and is in contention for the GR Title.

[hilly]

i'm willing to say that attica will win the division 1 title next year. wolfley should have a huge year. i'd still like to see the team play some bigger competition during the year so they can maybe win a sectional game though.

[Section5sportsguy]

Look out for Tate Westermeir next year, as he was a deadly shooter for Attica's JV and he is a sleeper to make an impact next year.

[BigVFan]

Hilly you do know that OA moves up to D1 and Kendall drops to D2 right? That being said you think attica will win D1 over your beloved Hornets? Obviously a sportswriter of your talent(or lack thereof) would know of the divisional changes but I guess you are jumping on the Wolfley bandwagon.

[hilly]

Hilly you do know that OA moves up to D1 and Kendall drops to D2 right? That being said you think attica will win D1 over your beloved Hornets? Obviously a sportswriter of your talent(or lack thereof) would know of the divisional changes but I guess you are jumping on the Wolfley bandwagon.


i've been on the wolfley bandwagon. people in this thread think i'm not a wolfley fan because i said giese was the mvp. and yes, i'm going to pick attica to win d1. you have to look at it logically, oakfield could be making another deep run in football (provided they can knock off le roy) and the hornets will have to deal with trying to replace kirkum. seward has shown signs of being good, but was never a consistent force this year. i'm not picking attica to go undefeated or anything like that, but as a senior, wolfley should have a huge year.

[TurnTwo]

I wouldn't worry about Oakfield's football season running into the basketball season this year. It will be tough to make the jump to Class C.

[hilly]

it will be very tough, but i'm not going to say that they can't beat le roy or cal-mum. that entire playoff is going to be tough but oakfield is as good as any team. a le roy/oakfield final would be awesome.

[Section5sportsguy]

Good points, but i think Pembroke will be better then Oakfield.

[hilly]

pembroke will be in the running as well. honestly, there are no cupcakes and you could make a case for any team winning it.
there are going to be teams that won't even make class c that could probably win a game or two in class b. very tough class next year.
that line oakfield has coming back is sick though. dowd has proven now a few times that if his line is good, his team is going to be good.

[bball4]

Regarding the O/A - Attica basketball post for next year, I see Attica struggling again next year. First with O/A moving to Division 1, it is going to mean probably two losses for Attica. Even though I feel O/A is not going to be real strong, they will have some very noticeable holes, they will still definitely have enough to handle Attica. No question Wofley will be the best player on the court, but he won't be able to do enough to secure a win. Basketball is still a team game! One player will not make the difference. The Attica JV's were not real strong so I see much of the same for their varsity. In addition, Pembroke should be significantly better with their two sophomores now being juniors, they are going to grab a few wins. As it was last year, it will come down to the cross over games with Division II. Elba (Woodward, Hoover, Zambito) will be real strong and so will W/C (Williams) and you can never count out ND (Francis and Boccicho). So right their I see at least five Attica losses, which means they won't even win Division I, let alone the overall league title.

Regarding the O/A football post, Hilly should not being setting aside a late start for O/A basketball. This year to win a sectional title they are going to have to compete with Pemboke, Letchworth, LeRoy, Cal-Mum etc. There will be no forty point sectional wins for them against these teams. They will do well to win a semi-final game, but will not win it all. Which means they'll have plenty of time to get ready for basketball.

Regarding O/A start last year, they lost to Newfane early, which was a much better team they were and O/A would not have won no matter how much practice time they had. Their other early losses ND and W/C were four full weeks after practice began.

[TurnTwo]

Hey, hilly...who won GR Player of the Year? I'm just wondering, was it Geise?!?! :p

[overnback]

Was hilly wrong?

[Section5sportsguy]

Well idk the answer to your question Turntwo, But Wolfley did win Birdseye GR player of the year, so thats gotta mean something. :p

[TopShelf]

Wofley won BirdsPlayer GR Player of the year, not Giese, who Hilly has a mancrush on.

[boobiemiles]

Right now, I'm saying a GR Title. No doubt.

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WRONG!that was quite a mean post hahahah, loving but strict)