LeRoy

[SectionVDude]

Ok so its obvious this team is lights out beating the #4 Class B state ranked Hornell Raiders but can anyone beat LeRoy this year?:confused:

[hilly]

I still think O-A, Cal-Mum and Pembroke all have a shot.
Oakfield has a great line, Cal-Mum is Cal-Mum and Pembroke has the best player on any team in the class.
It's going to be a fun tournament.

[BigVFan]

I would have to say that the best player on any team in the class starts with John Whiting or Marcus Epps............... I dont think anybody would take Pembroke's player over these 2.

[UNCTarheels]

Nate schiedel from Cal-Mum & Brady Bonacquisti from LeRoy are both really good players, I honestly don't even know who Whiting or Epps even play for and Hilly which player on Pembroke are you talking about? Mike McKenrick? not disputing your statement just want to clarify who your talking about as I'm not familiar with Pembroke.

[hilly]

Nate schiedel from Cal-Mum & Brady Bonacquisti from LeRoy are both really good players, I honestly don't even know who Whiting or Epps even play for and Hilly which player on Pembroke are you talking about? Mike McKenrick? not disputing your statement just want to clarify who your talking about as I'm not familiar with Pembroke.


I am talking about McKenrick. I think Whiting and Epps are great players, as is Humphrey and Bonacquisti, but I've seen McKenrick dominate more games over the past two years than anybody.
Everybody in the GR talks about how great a team Oakfield is, but McKenrick owned the Hornets last year and had another great game this year.
No disrespect to any of the other players, I've just seen a lot of McKenrick and I'm pretty sure he would be a star on any of those other teams.
While Epps and Whiting are great, I wouldn't rank them that much better than Chris Williams from Oakfield. John Dowd says Whiting is the best high school lineman he's ever seen.
All three are great kids and awesome players, but McKenrick has the potential to make a good team great every time he's on the field.

If I had to make a pick, I'd go with Le Roy obviously. The program is so well run and there are so many good players on that team that you can't pick against them.
But I'm not going be shocked if O-A, Pembroke or Cal-Mum pulls the upset.

[rockandroll34]

I will be totally shocked if Le Roy and Cal-Mum don't make the finals.
The GR will get a chance to flex their muscle in the semifinals — but watch them melt like April snow.

[easyrsaidthandone]

I still think O-A, Cal-Mum and Pembroke all have a shot.
Oakfield has a great line, Cal-Mum is Cal-Mum and Pembroke has the best player on any team in the class.
It's going to be a fun tournament.

I agree that it will be a fun tournament until OA and Pembroke have to play LeRoy and Cal_Mum. The only two teams that can possible come out, barring a miracle are those 2 powerhouses. Pembroke is decent, OA is OK but I thought the 04,05 & 06 teams were all better than this one. And as far as April snow, whens the last time a GR team beat a Leroy or Cal-Mum? A Few years for sure, but we do live in WNY so, I guess anything can happen.

[hilly]

I agree that it will be a fun tournament until OA and Pembroke have to play LeRoy and Cal_Mum. The only two teams that can possible come out, barring a miracle are those 2 powerhouses. Pembroke is decent, OA is OK but I thought the 04,05 & 06 teams were all better than this one. And as far as April snow, whens the last time a GR team beat a Leroy or Cal-Mum? A Few years for sure, but we do live in WNY so, I guess anything can happen.


Elba beat Cal-Mum in Class D in either 2004 or 2005

[lbcoach45]

Don't overlook BK. They lost by two to Pembroke the week after they lost their QB. He could be back and if even if he isn't, this team is playing very well right now. If they can limit their penalties, they could shock some people.

[joeZam1]

Elba beat Cal-Mum in Class D in either 2004 or 2005

Good History Hilly. Elba did beat Cal-mum in 2004 in the quarterfinals in Elba. No one gave us a chance to win that game, but US. The kids played with alot of heart on that day and we came out victorious..With all that being said I do want the Cal-mum faithfull to know that I realize that they were pretty banged up that afternoon, but it proves that anything can happen in football, good luck to my former coaching opponents in the GR, and to coaches Moran and Monacelli.

[TurnTwo]

Pembroke nearly got past LeRoy last year, losing 21-20 after some questionable calls.

[rockandroll34]

The key word in that phrase is "last year."
This is a new year and Pembroke doesn't stand a chance.
They are a good GR team but Livingston is a much better league.
Only time will tell.

[rockandroll34]

Good History Hilly. Elba did beat Cal-mum in 2004 in the quarterfinals in Elba. No one gave us a chance to win that game, but US. The kids played with alot of heart on that day and we came out victorious..With all that being said I do want the Cal-mum faithfull to know that I realize that they were pretty banged up that afternoon, but it proves that anything can happen in football, good luck to my former coaching opponents in the GR, and to coaches Moran and Monacelli.

That was a well-coached game by Elba. They deserved to win.
Cal-Mum played without Jeremy Darron, who was the Class C Player of the Year the year prior, and Chad Pieri, who only played a few series. That was a down year for Cal-Mum, they lost nine starters from their 2003 state title team.

[easyrsaidthandone]

That was a well-coached game by Elba. They deserved to win.
Cal-Mum played without Jeremy Darron, who was the Class C Player of the Year the year prior, and Chad Pieri, who only played a few series. That was a down year for Cal-Mum, they lost nine starters from their 2003 state title team.

That was a well coached game by Elba, what WAS that coaches name?:eek:

[ref301]

The key word in that phrase is "last year."
This is a new year and Pembroke doesn't stand a chance.
They are a good GR team but Livingston is a much better league.
Only time will tell.

LeRoy and Cal Mum have had dominant programs for years in Livingston with Letchworth being strong in the recent past. The GR has had OA for years as well solid programs at Elba (historically), Pembroke and NDB (by the way, what happens if ND closes? Who gains the most?). I just don't see Livingston as being that much better overall than the GR. If Attica were consistently stronger, you could make the case for the GR.

I haven't, however, heard anyone feeling sorry for poor Alexander this Friday. This may be one for a mercy rule. Ben Antonucci is one of the best if not the best overall player in the GR. He deserves better.

[Berask]

LeRoy and Cal Mum have had dominant programs for years in Livingston with Letchworth being strong in the recent past. The GR has had OA for years as well solid programs at Elba (historically), Pembroke and NDB (by the way, what happens if ND closes? Who gains the most?). I just don't see Livingston as being that much better overall than the GR. If Attica were consistently stronger, you could make the case for the GR.

I haven't, however, heard anyone feeling sorry for poor Alexander this Friday. This may be one for a mercy rule. Ben Antonucci is one of the best if not the best overall player in the GR. He deserves better.

All i need to say to promote LC dominance over the GR is LeRoy and Cal Mum. Those two, in my opinion, have better past, present, and future teams than the two heavy-weights of the GR league (OA and Pembroke). Hornell and Bath also are better than the GR's second tier teams.

[joeZam1]

All i need to say to promote LC dominance over the GR is LeRoy and Cal Mum. Those two, in my opinion, have better past, present, and future teams than the two heavy-weights of the GR league (OA and Pembroke). Hornell and Bath also are better than the GR's second tier teams.

AGREED with by me totally. Cal-Mum and LeRoy are Section V.Football. I tried to do it in Elba and well the rest is history.

[lbcoach45]

All i need to say to promote LC dominance over the GR is LeRoy and Cal Mum. Those two, in my opinion, have better past, present, and future teams than the two heavy-weights of the GR league (OA and Pembroke). Hornell and Bath also are better than the GR's second tier teams.

Comparing the entire LCAA to the GR is off. LCAA1 is mostly B schools, with HFL in the mix. LCAAII is all C teams and the LCAAIII is all D schools. GR is a mix of C's and D's with Attica. I think if you compare LCAAII with GR, LCAAII is better. LeRoy and Cal Mum are better most years than any team in the GR. However, after them I would say Pembroke, OA and Elba (not this year) are as good as anyone in the LCAAII. LCAAIII compared to GR, I would go with GR. Bolivar has had some good years recently, but the GR has won three straight D titles and the DD title last year. The last LCAA team to win class D was Cal Mum in 96. Things will change this year with OA being C and Elba down, but GR dominated D football for the past three years.

It's just misleading to compare the leagues and throw Hornell and Bath into the mix when the GR has one B school.

[footballman]

All i need to say to promote LC dominance over the GR is LeRoy and Cal Mum. Those two, in my opinion, have better past, present, and future teams than the two heavy-weights of the GR league (OA and Pembroke). Hornell and Bath also are better than the GR's second tier teams.

OK, everybody knows about Leroy And Cal-Mum, But what the coaches have done at Oakfield in the past four years not including this year. Is two sectional titles, one final four appearance and a state final. Have you ever seen more than 20 players on the sideline for Oakfield, not. They had only 18 players against a powerful ER team which had a full offense and defensive teams. OA played both ways that game and still could of won. This might not be there year with only four seniors but we will see. One last thing, If I am not mistaken Cal-Mum scrimmages OA every year before the season. Ask the Cal-Mum players and coaches how OA is to play against.

[easyrsaidthandone]

OA has done very well for themselves, no doubt! But the number of players on the sidelines is a tuff argument, they were a very high d for a number of years and now a C, so the number of kids is kind of misleading, and as far as scrimmaging goes, alot happens between late August and Early October. We shall see.

[dfisch80]

OK, everybody knows about Leroy And Cal-Mum, But what the coaches have done at Oakfield in the past four years not including this year. Is two sectional titles, one final four appearance and a state final. Have you ever seen more than 20 players on the sideline for Oakfield, not. They had only 18 players against a powerful ER team which had a full offense and defensive teams. OA played both ways that game and still could of won. This might not be there year with only four seniors but we will see. One last thing, If I am not mistaken Cal-Mum scrimmages OA every year before the season. Ask the Cal-Mum players and coaches how OA is to play against.

Well put! OA is obviously a very well coached team, and it shows. Cowey #52, one of our Defensive Ends was quoted as saying - OA is the toughest team we've ever played.

[rockandroll34]

I think ER/Gananda is very beatable, and that O-A had them.

[dfisch80]

I think ER/Gananda is very beatable, and that O-A had them.

It was a close one, but a W is a W. Were you at the game? Have you seen ER/G this year, and if so what game?

...any team is beatable

[rockandroll34]

I saw them play Bath last year. They are a tough team to defend but if it's poor passing conditions, they are beatable in my opinion. They have a great passing attack but no running game to speak of.

[dfisch80]

I saw them play Bath last year. They are a tough team to defend but if it's poor passing conditions, they are beatable in my opinion. They have a great passing attack but no running game to speak of.

Your right, conditions can make a difference in any game. Wet, rain, muddy, wind, cold. These things can effect any offence, running or passing. Bottom line is a very good passing team beat a very good running team. And as high as the score was, ER/G's Defence held O-A to only 3 points the entire 2nd half, and the very next week allowed Westmoreland only 22yrds total offence.

Bath was a good game, but if you havent seen ER/G this year, you should. I think you'd reconsider your statement about their running game. Your correct, in the past they havent been known for having much of a running game. No they dont have a David Zapata, or Tony Jackson running the ball, but with Vosburgh, Spears(before he got hurt), Sorce, and Loria in the back field this year, their putting up some good numbers and making a big diffrence.

[rockandroll34]

I saw them against Livonia this year but turnovers kind of sent that game one-sided.
Livonia rushed for over 300 yards and only scored once.
I wasn't overly impressed with ER's running game at all but their passing game is very potent.

[footballman]

Just because they were a high D and small c this year they still are low on numbers. Ask the the people who have watched OA the past years and let them tell you OA has one of the smallest rosters each year. Guess how many kids were dressed for the state championship game. Yes the big number of 22 with some jv kids brought up. I never did say OA could beat Cal-Mum or Leroy this year. Also a rumor around the GR OA goes back to D next year. We will see.

[UNCTarheels]

Here are the projected numbers for next season

http://www.nysphsaa.org Go to the bottom lefthand side and click on Classification report and click in the info you want 07-08 season boys, Section V & then Football and it'll bring up all Section V school

according to this O-A will have 281 students next year and the cutoff for D is 275 so unless something changes O-A will be a C school next season.

[footballman]

I saw them play Bath last year. They are a tough team to defend but if it's poor passing conditions, they are beatable in my opinion. They have a great passing attack but no running game to speak of.

In my opinion, the only thing holding ER back is there lack of running game against tougher competition. If you look at past state champions who who run the spread offense they had a very good running game. If that comes along in the playoffs they will be tough to beat. On another note there defense came up tough against OA in the second half but Oa's turnovers and mental mistakes hurt them,along with a tenth grader starting his first varsity game.

[Berask]

OK, everybody knows about Leroy And Cal-Mum, But what the coaches have done at Oakfield in the past four years not including this year. Is two sectional titles, one final four appearance and a state final. Have you ever seen more than 20 players on the sideline for Oakfield, not. They had only 18 players against a powerful ER team which had a full offense and defensive teams. OA played both ways that game and still could of won. This might not be there year with only four seniors but we will see. One last thing, If I am not mistaken Cal-Mum scrimmages OA every year before the season. Ask the Cal-Mum players and coaches how OA is to play against.

Never said that OA wasn't a great football team. I went to the game against Attica and they impressed me a great deal. All I am saying is that the LCL is better overall than the GRL. I also agree that you shouldn't compare the two leagues. It's not a fair fight. But if you are to compare them i think LCL is definitely the stronger of the two. Cal Mum and LeRoy are two of the best football schools in section v (and maybe even in NYS) year in and year out. Pembroke usually is strong and so is OA, but they don't compare to teams like Cal Mum and LeRoy. Sorry. I watch a lot of the GR games. And I hope the GR league can play at the level that the LC league does some day. I don't see that happening for a while though. Maybe something crazy will happen in Sectionals and I'll be wrong. Feel free to correct me if this happens.

[VFan05]

"Heck, ER/G beat Geneva, except the scoreboard didn't show it."


Come on Dan, just because ER/G moved into the red zone a few times without scoring doesn't mean they should have won that game. Maybe it was because Geneva's defense was much better than anyone they had played to that point and didn't fold as other teams might have. Geneva missed a few opportunities in that game too, maybe they should have beat them even worse.

[dfisch80]

"Heck, ER/G beat Geneva, except the scoreboard didn't show it."


Come on Dan, just because ER/G moved into the red zone a few times without scoring doesn't mean they should have won that game. Maybe it was because Geneva's defense was much better than anyone they had played to that point and didn't fold as other teams might have. Geneva missed a few opportunities in that game too, maybe they should have beat them even worse.

...don't forget, a very key factor was missing from that game.

[rockandroll34]

Yeah, Fischer might have missed some of that game but Geneva's speed on the outside would have voided him for the most part anyways.

[VFan05]

...don't forget, a very key factor was missing from that game.



Unfortunately, that's part of the game. If you expect to be a championship program, you have to adjust when injuries occur. Geneva was without their starting DE for that game as well. And Jerimiah Allen was comming off a dislocated knee cap the week before. Dropped passes, holding calls, they go both ways. Geneva had a long run called back for a hold late in the game when they could have run the clock out. Again I ask, does that mean they should have beat ER/G worse?

[VFan05]

I think hes talking about how Geneva's speed on the outside defensively (defensive backs) matched up well with Fischer.

[dfisch80]

I think hes talking about how Geneva's speed on the outside defensively (defensive backs) matched up well with Fischer.

...you are correct!

[Syracuse1]

What i find odd is that ERs Fisher kid, didnt play that game and yet you say Genevas dbacks could match up well with him?... Ers second wide out was double teamed in that game. And with Fisher in, the other wr's would be single covered.

[Jammer24]

I think Letchworth will upset Cal-Mum. Please don't post the time of this post.