Oakfield changing nickname?

[TurnTwo]

I heard from a reliable source within the Oakfield-Alabama school district that the school will be changing it's name from the Hornets to the Bumble Bees.

I'm being dead serious. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Hilly?

[Section5sportsguy]

I've spoken with the AD at Oakfield and from what Ive heard they're planning to stick with the Hornets moniker. You may be confused with whats going on at Attica right now, as some parents are petitioning to get rid of the Blue Devils nickname, as they believe that the name is offensive to their religion. This petition as gained some serious ground from the locals, and it is too my belief that Attica will change its nickname for the 07-08 season. This is a shocking cause for some with school pride but from what i've heard this petition has been brought to the board, and it may soon be finalized.

Do you agree with the pending decision for Attica to change its nickname?
Also, if this movement is enabled, what possible nicknames do you think Attica should go with?

[section5fan]

That is pretty absurd if you ask me. If they are so offended, then why wasn't the nickname changed in the past? And what nickname can Attica take if they do in fact change it?

[TurnTwo]

I'm a student at Attica and so if section5sportsguy. He hasn't spoken to Oakfield's AD. Also, there is no speculation about the Blue Devil nickname being changed.

I seriously heard that the Hornets may be changing their nickname and would like some serious information, because I know for a fact that section5sportsguy has not spoken to Oakfield's AD. Why he would say that, or why he would turn this into a story about Attica is beyond me.

[GRbballno1]

And what nickname can Attica take if they do in fact change it?

How about the Attica Wolfleys?
The kid seems to be worshipped like a god around Attica anyway.

[FALLBALL]

I heard they were considering merging with Alexander. Is this true

[section5fan]

Hahahaha!! Great post man, great post.

[hilly]

none of this is true. other than wolfley being worshiped in attica.

[TurnTwo]

I heard they were considering merging with Alexander. Is this true

I remember this idea being thrown around in the 1990's but I haven't heard anything recently.

[hilly]

if any school is going to merge with another in the gr it is going to be elba. last year when the school went through the whole joe zambito controversy, there was talk about either oakfield or byron-bergen. certain people in the town are trying to merge because they don't like the tax situation and think the state govt should be giving the school more money.

[shiftercar]

if you dont mind elabaroting,what is the whole joe zambito controversy.

[TurnTwo]

Zambito was Elba's outspoken football and basketball coach. A lot of the members of the Elba community didn't care for him, but his players loved him. Last year during a basketball game he received two technicals, which gets you automatically suspended from the game. He claimed that the second technical was a remark from a fan, and not from himself, so he refused to leave the court. When he wouldn't leave, his team was forced to forfeit the game.

This was probably the biggest controversy surrounding him in his tenure at Elba, and if you ask me it was probably the last straw. However, Elba held off in firing him, knowing that if they fired him they would lose favor with many of districts residents so they waited until the day after the budget passed to fire Zambito. At least that's my understanding of it. Take it for all it's worth.

[hilly]

Zambito was Elba's outspoken football and basketball coach. A lot of the members of the Elba community didn't care for him, but his players loved him. Last year during a basketball game he received two technicals, which gets you automatically suspended from the game. He claimed that the second technical was a remark from a fan, and not from himself, so he refused to leave the court. When he wouldn't leave, his team was forced to forfeit the game.

This was probably the biggest controversy surrounding him in his tenure at Elba, and if you ask me it was probably the last straw. However, Elba held off in firing him, knowing that if they fired him they would lose favor with many of districts residents so they waited until the day after the budget passed to fire Zambito. At least that's my understanding of it. Take it for all it's worth.


summed up very well. i can add a little more.
it divided the community and the school. students tried to stage a protest, but were told that anybody that attended would not be allowed to attend graduation. then there was a school board meeting where over 50 people showed up to speak on zambito's behalf. about 10 people were allowed to go in by themselves and talk with the board - including names like chuck hoover and mike ognibene - but the group as a whole was not allowed to speak with the board. when the meeting became "public" the issue of zambito was not brought up.
people have the opinion this was done for zambito's actions on the field/court, but he was never in trouble with the school, not even a warning. the real reason - many conspiracy theorists think - is because the elba school board is trying to reduce winning in the "big money" sports of football and basketball to make its case to merge with another district. i don't know if this is the truth or not, but it is one of the more prominent theories i've heard.

[Section5sportsguy]

Well said, Brian.

[overnback]

I thought he was fired for telling the ref "I'll f#@*ing kill you if you forfeit this game", within earshot of the Lyndonville A.D. and several other people who had no problem telling me this story a year ago. There probably was some advisement by section V to make a change for the positive. While Joe was an excellent coach, he was rapidly wearing thin around the league. Also he wasn't fired, he just wasn't rehired.

[hilly]

I thought he was fired for telling the ref "I'll f#@*ing kill you if you forfeit this game", within earshot of the Lyndonville A.D. and several other people who had no problem telling me this story a year ago. There probably was some advisement by section V to make a change for the positive. While Joe was an excellent coach, he was rapidly wearing thin around the league. Also he wasn't fired, he just wasn't rehired.

that was a rumor that he said that. he says those words never came out of his mouth. lyndonville's ad refused to talk about it, so it's zambito's words against rumors.
the decision had nothing to do with section 5 as far as i know. it is a political decision made in the elba community. believe it or not, zambito had a pretty good reputation around section 5. people knew he had a big mouth, but they also knew he was a great coach and his kids loved him.
and yes, he was not fired but not re-hired. he found out over the phone.

[overnback]

that was a rumor that he said that. he says those words never came out of his mouth. lyndonville's ad refused to talk about it, so it's zambito's words against rumors.
the decision had nothing to do with section 5 as far as i know. it is a political decision made in the elba community. believe it or not, zambito had a pretty good reputation around section 5. people knew he had a big mouth, but they also knew he was a great coach and his kids loved him.
and yes, he was not fired but not re-hired. he found out over the phone.

In your biz, if you have a rumor confirmed by three independent sources, what do you have?

I know.... a cover up.
see ya, dude.

[hilly]

In your biz, if you have a rumor confirmed by three independent sources, what do you have?

I know.... a cover up.
see ya, dude.



nobody was willing to go on the record with it. if nobody is willing to go on the record, then it is just a rumor

[overnback]

nobody was willing to go on the record with it. if nobody is willing to go on the record, then it is just a rumor

You're right, you can't slander someone. You can come very, very close to figuring out what really happened. I would think that anybody that did any kind of digging on this story has got a pretty good feel for what transpired. So if you can get that far, stop promoting the story that he was unjustly let go. I feel he crossed a line that shouldn't (can't) be crossed at a high school level. I think you do too. Face it, good guys can make mistakes. Just please stop the crying about "poor" Joe.

[section5fan]

Why are you making this a personal conflict on a high school basketball forum? I understand you disagree with a lot of what Hilly says, but c'mon.

[jetcole47]

the fighting ill had to retire the indian chief they had, now a blue deviel. next it will be peta after all of the rest of us. bluejays, wildcats ect. people get over it. i guess we will all have to be called by are school name. fun wow

[section5fan]

GR is not the worst league... If you want to get technical, Steuben overall was worse that GR.

[DSport]

Four teams that were state ranked in guys and four that were state ranked in girls. Three guys teams still alive and two girls teams. I think the SCL has some less then talented teams but they also have some very talented teams.

[DSport]

Also, how can a league with two teams ranked #1 in the state be the weakest?

[section5fan]

I was looking at it as overall records. Both teams have some very talented teams, but they both also have those bad teams. I was just pointing out that SCL has more teams with worse records than the GR.

[hilly]

Lets be honest here for a second.
I think we both know that the GR as a whole is the worse league in Section V.
Football- average at best.
Soccer- One or two decent teams.
Cross-Country- Who cares.
Swimming- See above.
Boys hoops- Terrible.
Girls Hoops- Just above terrible.
Wrestling- So-so.
Baseball- Pathetic.
Softball- Take away Pembroke — horrific.
Water polo- Tops in Section V.

Get the point.



wow, you have no idea what you are talking about.

football - oakfield has been to states two of the last three years, elba has a sectional title last year and pembroke seems to battle le roy every year.
soccer - byron-bergen is great every year.
boys hoops - notre dame is strong every year, even though they lost early this year.
girls hoops - elba and notre dame are as good as any teams in the state.
volleyball - byron-bergen has three straight state titles and notre dame had two straight state trips before that.
wrestling - HOLLEY!!!
cross country - who cares (i agree)
swimming - who cares (i also agree)
track - i don't really care that much, but alexander has built a great program.
golf - notre dame, attica and wheatland have all had kids go to states.
tennis - alexander is good every year and oakfield also has some quality players.
baseball - oakfield is always one of the best around and notre dame makes a run at a sectional title every year.
softball - pembroke is good every year while elba and oakfield make runs every few years.

it is safe to say that oakfield and notre dame are very good athletic schools and many other programs are very good. the gr gets a bad rep because it is a small league, but it does win a lot more than you would think. they don't have programs like le roy and cal-mum football and hfl's many strong programs, but nobody is going to say the gr is better than livingston. you should check your facts before you rip a league.

[Section5sportsguy]

To Rockandroll34:

You don't know you don't know.

[Section5sportsguy]

So is Oakfield actually changing their nickname? lol

[TurnTwo]

So is Oakfield actually changing their nickname? lol

That's what their students are saying.

[Section5sportsguy]

I'd feel bad for the students and alumni of Oakfield-Alabama, as "bumble-bees" isn't too intimidating of a moniker.

[hilly]

oakfield is not changing. this is one of the dumbest rumors i've ever heard.

[V10baller]

Yeah that is a very dumb rumor, almost as dumb as thinking Giese should be player of the year.

[hilly]

NCAA Basketball Tournament Most Outstanding Player
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At the conclusion of the NCAA men's and women's Division I basketball championships (the "Final Four" tournaments), the Associated Press selects a Most Outstanding Player. The MOP need not be, but almost always is a member of the Championship team. The last man to win the award despite not being on the Championship team was Akeem Olajuwon in 1983.

Although the men's tournament began in 1939, this award was not given officially until the following tournament in 1940. The MOP award for women has been awarded since the inception of the women's tournament in 1982.



/sounds to me like the mvp is the best player on the best team. attica tied alexander for the division 1 title while notre dame did not lose a GR game. but maybe the award should go to the player that scores the most points, no matter what his team does. again, wolfley is probably the best player in the league, but he is not the mvp. best player on the best team.

[Hoopman]

I have to agree with Hilly. Wolfley's not a bad player, but will need to improve greatly if he plans on moving to the next level (at best D-III) of play. I went the N.D./Attica game because of all the hype about this kid, and when Redick was in he didn't do much against him on offense. His scoring in that game came in the second half when Redick was on the bench with foul trouble. At the next level against guys his size he will need to work on his strength and speed to even compete or play at all. The potential is there with hard work.

[overnback]

[QUOTE=hilly;1239]NCAA Basketball Tournament Most Outstanding Player
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At the conclusion of the NCAA men's and women's Division I basketball championships (the "Final Four" tournaments), the Associated Press selects a Most Outstanding Player. The MOP need not be, but almost always is a member of the Championship team. The last man to win the award despite not being on the Championship team was Akeem Olajuwon in 1983.

Although the men's tournament began in 1939, this award was not given officially until the following tournament in 1940. The MOP award for women has been awarded since the inception of the women's tournament in 1982.

http://sectionv.talksback.com

/sounds to me like the mvp is the best player on the best team. attica tied alexander for the division 1 title while notre dame did not lose a GR game. but maybe the award should go to the player that scores the most points, no matter what his team does. again, wolfley is probably the best player in the league, but he is not the mvp. best player on the best team.[/QUOTE

You are making me wonder about your ability to see the obvious. You have to be putting us on, right?
Once again you make my argument for me with your fancy book learn'n and research.
Now follow the bouncing ball.
At the conclusion of the class D,C,B, or whatever class you want, championship game, Section V (I mean a "panel of experts") chooses a MVP along with an all tournament team. Much like the MOP of college basketballs March Madness tournament.
After the college season various organizations sponsor a MVP award. (Wooden, Sporting News, etc.) This is very much like the Birdseye Award. You are right about the MOP award criteria but you are applying it to the wrong award.
Maybe you should write about nature or quilting Bee's.

[hilly]

[QUOTE=hilly;1239]NCAA Basketball Tournament Most Outstanding Player
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

At the conclusion of the NCAA men's and women's Division I basketball championships (the "Final Four" tournaments), the Associated Press selects a Most Outstanding Player. The MOP need not be, but almost always is a member of the Championship team. The last man to win the award despite not being on the Championship team was Akeem Olajuwon in 1983.

Although the men's tournament began in 1939, this award was not given officially until the following tournament in 1940. The MOP award for women has been awarded since the inception of the women's tournament in 1982.

http://sectionv.talksback.com

/sounds to me like the mvp is the best player on the best team. attica tied alexander for the division 1 title while notre dame did not lose a GR game. but maybe the award should go to the player that scores the most points, no matter what his team does. again, wolfley is probably the best player in the league, but he is not the mvp. best player on the best team.[/QUOTE

You are making me wonder about your ability to see the obvious. You have to be putting us on, right?
Once again you make my argument for me with your fancy book learn'n and research.
Now follow the bouncing ball.
At the conclusion of the class D,C,B, or whatever class you want, championship game, Section V (I mean a "panel of experts") chooses a MVP along with an all tournament team. Much like the MOP of college basketballs March Madness tournament.
After the college season various organizations sponsor a MVP award. (Wooden, Sporting News, etc.) This is very much like the Birdseye Award. You are right about the MOP award criteria but you are applying it to the wrong award.
Maybe you should write about nature or quilting Bee's.



wolfley is the mvp of division 1 because he is the best player on the best team in that division. giese is the mvp of division 2 because he is the best player on the best team in that division. notre dame was the best team overall in the genesee region league, so giese should be mvp of the entire league. mvp/mop = same thing.
i think my point is valid.

[overnback]

hilly, I'm gonna give you your props, dude. You have got to be the most unobjective sports "writer" I've ever come accross. Thanks for letting us in on the little known fact that Division I & II have their own MVP's (they don't). I don't know the stats of each player in the league, what I know I can see with my eyes. Giese is a tremendous point guard for the GR league. His fundamentals however, would hold him back in the higher classes. The guard that would best be able to transfer his skills to a higher class or better league would be James Davis. Now both of these young men seem to be the type of players that I like to watch - quiet, tough, and court savy leaders. Neither of them were the object of double and triple teams everytime they stepped on the court, though. They also had so much more help than Wolfley had. I'm done trying to educate you. You have shown that you are only a shill for the all mighty triangle of GR schools, Oakfield-Alabama, Elba and N.D.. You have nothing good to say about Pembroke football, Alex Williams gets no notice in your rag and let's see if you give any credit to Alexander's baseball team, especially Zach Lietten.. I've watched lot of ball in this league, so tell me, when was the last time you remember that there was a 6'6" player that could play every position on the floor argueably(sp?) better than everyone else in the league?
Now there was a valid point. I think I might apply for your job Parker.

[hilly]

hilly, I'm gonna give you your props, dude. You have got to be the most unobjective sports "writer" I've ever come accross. Thanks for letting us in on the little known fact that Division I & II have their own MVP's (they don't). I don't know the stats of each player in the league, what I know I can see with my eyes. Giese is a tremendous point guard for the GR league. His fundamentals however, would hold him back in the higher classes. The guard that would best be able to transfer his skills to a higher class or better league would be James Davis. Now both of these young men seem to be the type of players that I like to watch - quiet, tough, and court savy leaders. Neither of them were the object of double and triple teams everytime they stepped on the court, though. They also had so much more help than Wolfley had. I'm done trying to educate you. You have shown that you are only a shill for the all mighty triangle of GR schools, Oakfield-Alabama, Elba and N.D.. You have nothing good to say about Pembroke football, Alex Williams gets no notice in your rag and let's see if you give any credit to Alexander's baseball team, especially Zach Lietten.. I've watched lot of ball in this league, so tell me, when was the last time you remember that there was a 6'6" player that could play every position on the floor argueably(sp?) better than everyone else in the league?
Now there was a valid point. I think I might apply for your job Parker.



do you not know how to read or are you just one of those idiots that bash writers because it's the "cool" thing to do. i have given wolfley plenty of props, i have talked up the alexander baseball team, and i said that pembroke is going to be the second best football team in the gr next season.
the mvp should be the best player on the best team. that's how i feel and it is how a lot of other people feel.
i'm sure you are probably an attica student and that's why you are acting like the world is against you.
when you get a clue, then try writing something. bashing somebody just because you know who they are does not make you cool or smart, it makes you a pathetic person that has nothing better to do. why don't you tell everybody on this site who you are. i have the guts to do that. i've been doing this job long enough to know that some people are just going to complain about everything. if you actually read the stuff i post, you would see that i know exactly what i'm talking about.
grow up and debate, not bash because somebody you see writes for the paper is in here and you need a self esteem boost.

[TurnTwo]

Hilly's already acknowledged that Wolfley is the best player in the league. However, he thinks the MVP should be on the best team, whereas others, like myself, think it's the player most valuable to his team's success, best team or not. It's an argument that happens in every sport.

I remember when A-Rod won the MVP with the Texas Rangers there was a handful of sportswriters that disagreed because the Rangers finished last in their division. Then there was the others who agreed due to the fact that A-Rod was the most talented player.

We can keep tossing this back and forth but at this point it's just beating a dead horse. To each his own.

[V10baller]

I'm pretty sure the award was birdseye player of the year, not MVP. Player of the year is the best player in the league. MVP is the one that helped his team the most.

[Section5sportsguy]

I think Dustin Keicher should've been player of the year.

[DSport]

It's not long before the cardboard boxes will be playing the paperclips. That way nobody's feeling get hurt. I agree, it is a bunch of garbage. I could see if a name was a racial slur or something but come on. (Bring back the orangemen, the orange is just stupid!)

[superheroaj]

Orangemen is a racial slur. The term 'colored' is not acceptable and that's what being an orange-man means. The interpretation is that a group of people "started" white and were "colored" orange. How is that NOT offensive??

Calling a team the Indians is a no-no usually because of how Native American culture is portrayed. Most teams with Indians associate their mascot with brutal images showing the Indians as aggressive, ruthless savages. This is unfair. Imagine if New England show their Patriot as a brutal savage, standing over the body of a slain Native American. People would be outraged.

This is besides the fact that calling Native Americans "Indians" is historically inaccurate. India is a country on the other side of the world. If teams wanted to portray true Indians than they need to use an image of Ghandi or other symbols of actual Indian culture.

[hilly]

i missed something. who is offended by hornets?

[superheroaj]

Enright deleted his previous post.

[DSport]

I guess it won't be long before teams have no nicknames. It will just be Addison versus Andover. One less cheer for the cheerleaders to do at the games (boys and girls) because we know how offensive it is to have cheerleaders at only guy's games. This world is becoming hypersensitive. I guess the refs should wear all white because the zebras might get mad. Oh no, I might have offended the refs by calling them zebras. I appologize to all the refs and zebras, and I mean male and female refs and zebras, I don't want to discriminate.

[TurnTwo]

http://sportslogos.net/images/teams/primaries/738.gif

Oh, the brutality!

[boobiemiles]

I heard from a reliable source within the Oakfield-Alabama school district that the school will be changing it's name from the Hornets to the Bumble Bees.

I'm being dead serious. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Hilly?
you lack intelligence and this is one of the dumbest threads ever started. there actually was a rumor two years ago that we were gonna become the bears

[Monkey0713]

Orangemen is a racial slur. The term 'colored' is not acceptable and that's what being an orange-man means. The interpretation is that a group of people "started" white and were "colored" orange. How is that NOT offensive??

Calling a team the Indians is a no-no usually because of how Native American culture is portrayed. Most teams with Indians associate their mascot with brutal images showing the Indians as aggressive, ruthless savages. This is unfair. Imagine if New England show their Patriot as a brutal savage, standing over the body of a slain Native American. People would be outraged.

This is besides the fact that calling Native Americans "Indians" is historically inaccurate. India is a country on the other side of the world. If teams wanted to portray true Indians than they need to use an image of Ghandi or other symbols of actual Indian culture.

Thanks for the history lesson.

[boobiemiles]

Orangemen is a racial slur. The term 'colored' is not acceptable and that's what being an orange-man means. The interpretation is that a group of people "started" white and were "colored" orange. How is that NOT offensive??

Calling a team the Indians is a no-no usually because of how Native American culture is portrayed. Most teams with Indians associate their mascot with brutal images showing the Indians as aggressive, ruthless savages. This is unfair. Imagine if New England show their Patriot as a brutal savage, standing over the body of a slain Native American. People would be outraged.

This is besides the fact that calling Native Americans "Indians" is historically inaccurate. India is a country on the other side of the world. If teams wanted to portray true Indians than they need to use an image of Ghandi or other symbols of actual Indian culture.
i understand. but how come most irish people are proud of a notre dame mascot being a little guy jumping around and stealing gold. that seems pretty demeaning and they embrace it

[Monkey0713]

Orangemen is a racial slur. The term 'colored' is not acceptable and that's what being an orange-man means. The interpretation is that a group of people "started" white and were "colored" orange. How is that NOT offensive??

Calling a team the Indians is a no-no usually because of how Native American culture is portrayed. Most teams with Indians associate their mascot with brutal images showing the Indians as aggressive, ruthless savages. This is unfair. Imagine if New England show their Patriot as a brutal savage, standing over the body of a slain Native American. People would be outraged.

This is besides the fact that calling Native Americans "Indians" is historically inaccurate. India is a country on the other side of the world. If teams wanted to portray true Indians than they need to use an image of Ghandi or other symbols of actual Indian culture.

Plus when settlers first arrived to America they thought they were in India so that is why they called them indians. So it technically is historically accurate because the very first Americans called them Indians. I don't see people running around trying to rename the carrot an orange.

[hilly]

People that complain about mascots being racist are idiots. If an Indian mascot is offensive to the point where you have to make a stink, then you need a life.
Next thing will be people wanting mascots changed because the animal is mean. I can hear this one "The Sharks ... they have killed people in the ocean. That's offensive to the people who have lost relatives to shark attacks."
People are so stupid sometimes.

[boobiemiles]

People that complain about mascots being racist are idiots. If an Indian mascot is offensive to the point where you have to make a stink, then you need a life.
Next thing will be people wanting mascots changed because the animal is mean. I can hear this one "The Sharks ... they have killed people in the ocean. That's offensive to the people who have lost relatives to shark attacks."
People are so stupid sometimes.
haha hilly.... you really hate anything about racism dont you

[hilly]

haha hilly.... you really hate anything about racism dont you

yes. people need to grow up

[OA Hornet]

yes. people need to grow up

AGREED...


And a SIMPLE answer to the whole point of this post: NO. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.


Although this was a rumor when Mrs. Muscarella became the principle.

[ref301]

Thanks for the history lesson.

I think that "Orangemen" refers to the university's founders who were of Protestant Irish heritage as opposed to Catholic Irish (associated with the color green).

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-Orangeme.html

The term has nothing to do with native americans. As person of Protestant Irish heritage, I am not offended by its use as the name of a sports team.

[TurnTwo]

My "reliable source" when I started this thread last year was the same girl who pretended she was dating Matt Waldron for 2 years.

You Oakfield guys can figure that out.