York/Geneseo loser will miss sectional field, what a joke!

[UNCTarheels]

York/Geneseo loser will miss sectional field, what a joke!
By Chris Metcalf


The stakes just got higher for this year’s ‘Valley Ball’ as Geneseo will
visit York Friday, Oct. 14.
Not only will the winner get to stick the Valley Ball in their trophy
case for the next year — as well as capture the Livingston Conference
D-III title outright, but they will also eliminate the other from the
Class D sectional tournament.
I’m not happy about this. I think York and Geneseo both deserve to make
the sectionals, but because Section V Football has a points system that
is favorable towards the Finger Lakes and Genesee Region, one of our
LCAA Class D teams is going straight to pool play.
Let me explain.
Normally, if a Class D sized school plays another ‘D’ school, the winner
gets five points, while the loser loses five. That seems fair.
However, if a ‘D’ school plays a ‘C’ school, they earn six points for a
win, and if they lose they only get whacked four points.
That’s fair if you play in a league where everyone gets to take on the
same amount of ‘D’ and ‘C’ schools. But if you play in Livingston D-III,
where all your teams are ‘D’ size schools, the system is unfair, given
the fact that the Finger Lakes and Genesee Region has several ‘C’
schools, who mostly play at a sub-par level.
For Finger Lakes teams like Dundee, Clyde-Savannah, South Seneca and
DeSales, they all play two ‘C’ schools — Marcus Whitman and Mynderse.
Now Marcus Whitman isn’t bad, but Mynderse is downright awful this year,
meaning all the above teams will pretty much guarantee themselves six
points after they beat them.
So far, after five games this season, Clyde, Dundee, South Seneca and
DeSales all have an identical 3-2 record, just as York and Geneseo do —
yet all four of those teams are ahead of them based on those points they
received for playing those ‘C’ size schools.
This just isn’t fair, especially since both Geneseo and York’s only
losses have come to undefeated Avon, the No. 3 ranked team in the state
in Class D, and Cal-Mum, last year’s Class D state finalists and a top
15 team in the state this year.
Amazingly to me, if the sectionals started today, York and Geneseo would
both be out based on this faulty points system.
However, assuming Geneseo beat Finney and York beats Bolivar-Richburg
this week (which certainly should be the case), they will each move to
4-2 with their big showdown next Friday. The winner of that game will go
to 5-2 and should hopefully lock up a berth in the sectional tournament.
The loser, despite no doubt being one of the top four teams in Class D,
will head to pool play, because of this unfair points system.
Same goes true with Batavia Notre Dame from the Genesee Region.
The Irish play a GR schedule that includes two ‘DD’ teams (Alexander and
Oakfield-Alabama); three ‘C’ teams (Attica, Holley and Pembroke); one
‘B’ team (Elba/Byron-Bergen) and one ‘A’ program (Roy-Hart/Barker).
Right now B-ND is sitting in the top spot with a 4-1 record and 19
points. Their only loss last week to Elba/Byron Bergen cost them a mere
three points because they were up two classes. If the Irish beat
Pembroke this week, but lose to Roy-Hart/Barker, they will finish with
22 points, which will be five points higher than either York or Geneseo,
despite having the SAME record.
How is that fair?
It isn’t.
In Class DD, Cal-Mum can probably thank their lucky stars that Bishop
Kearney plays a tough schedule that consists of Hornell, Livonia and
Way-Co because had the Kings instead played a cupcake schedule, the
defending state finalist Red Raiders would have NOT made this year’s
‘DD’ sectional tournament. That would have been a travesty.
However, there is still is a chance Cal-Mum could get bumped.
Right now Cal-Mum (3-2) has five points with Kearney (2-3) at minus one.
Kearney plays Class C Way-Co this week, and Class B Batavia next week.
Two wins would take them to plus 12. Cal-Mum plays Warsaw this week,
which should get them five points to take them to plus 10, and then the
Red Raiders take on arch-rival Le Roy, a team that has become very
dangerous the past few weeks. A Cal-Mum win over Le Roy would tack on
six, however a loss to the Knights would dip them to plus six, and if
Kearney did win those two, Cal-Mum would be left out of the dance.
I’m not saying that Kearney is going to beat Way-Co this week, but with
the Golden Eagles’ top running back Tyler Thielges out with a broken
collarbone, it is a possibility. A victory over Way-Co would certainly
give Kearney some momentum heading into their final game with Class B
Batavia.
The point is this — Section V needs to take a good, long look at the
current points system and they need to take into consideration the
strength of the mighty LCAA.
Because right now, teams like York, Geneseo and Cal-Mum are definitely a
victim of their own strength of conference.
They would be better off play an independent schedule (see Joe Marchand).




Chris Metcalf
Sports Editor
Livingston County News
122 Main Street
Geneseo, NY 14454
(585) 243-1322
sports@livingstonnews.com

[O-Line Pride]

This why I cannot figure out how section V was able to be persuaded into going with the 4 team format for sectionals, with the 8 team format there might have been some miss-matches in the first round but at least every one got in that deserved to. I heard that the push for the current 4 team system came from coaches in the fingerlakes, it definitely benefits them this year. Any truth to this?

[ndfan79]

This why I cannot figure out how section V was able to be persuaded into going with the 4 team format for sectionals, with the 8 team format there might have been some miss-matches in the first round but at least every one got in that deserved to. I heard that the push for the current 4 team system came from coaches in the fingerlakes, it definitely benefits them this year. Any truth to this?

Here are a couple of the reasons I think they did it. First of all there was a ton of blow out between the higher and lower seeds. Also there was a few instances of the eight seed forfeiting the game altogether.That hurts the one seed by not playing for two weeks. What Mr. Metcalf fails to see is that more than likely Desales is going to forfeit their 1st game and lose those. Points. Also if a d school beats a higher seed they should get more points than playing someone in their own class and lose less as well.

[going4broke]

Here are a couple of the reasons I think they did it. First of all there was a ton of blow out between the higher and lower seeds. Also there was a few instances of the eight seed forfeiting the game altogether.That hurts the one seed by not playing for two weeks. What Mr. Metcalf fails to see is that more than likely Desales is going to forfeit their 1st game and lose those. Points. Also if a d school beats a higher seed they should get more points than playing someone in their own class and lose less as well.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SAYING....Those FL and GR teams do get more points for winning against higher class teams while the Livingston teams don't get that chance to play any. Uneven playing field. While York is playing Avon and CaledoniaMumford FL teams are playing Mynderse and getting more points for it. Does that seem fair to you?

[coachstew]

This why I cannot figure out how section V was able to be persuaded into going with the 4 team format for sectionals, with the 8 team format there might have been some miss-matches in the first round but at least every one got in that deserved to. I heard that the push for the current 4 team system came from coaches in the fingerlakes, it definitely benefits them this year. Any truth to this?

I don't know if it came from the Finger Lakes but it certainly has a lot of merit. We discussed this on this site several times in previous years I find it ridiculous that 16 of the 19 teams in Class D made the playoff field. To me, it rendered the regular season meaningless. Yes, I agree at this time Livingston County has a deeper pool of teams in Class D, however just like most things in small school sports that will change in a few years.

All of those teams from the Finger Lakes are not going to get in. DeSales appears to be forfeiting their week 1 vicotry over Clyde. That will put Clyde with one loss and DeSales with 3. Dundee faces Clyde this week and if they lose they will have 3 losses as well. South Seneca still has a difficult game with Lyons remaining. All of those teams could have 3 losses by the end of the season. I would have never thought it at the beginning of the year but a 3 loss team may still make sectionals.

[ndfan79]

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SAYING....Those FL and GR teams do get more points for winning against higher class teams while the Livingston teams don't get that chance to play any. Uneven playing field. While York is playing Avon and CaledoniaMumford FL teams are playing Mynderse and getting more points for it. Does that seem fair to you?

No it is not perfect. But that is the system they have so deal with it. The only other option is to lump both class d's together and play the top eight teams.Mr. Metcalf is always crying how the LCAA teams get the shaft. Sometimes he is right this time he is wrong.

[O-Line Pride]

You can put whatever spin on it you want to justify your views but the fact is DD & D are not getting any where near the same % of team representation as the other classes in sectionals. 8 of 20 D/DD=40%, 8 of 9 C=89%,
8 of 12 B=67%, 8 of 15 A=53%, and 8 of 14 AA=57%.

[lbcoach45]

Even if points were even on the first level, York and Geneseo would be out based on second level points. Right now, they are beating teams that aren't winning games and while the LCAA is the best league in the section, LCAAIII is a weak division this year.

[toadhead25]

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SAYING....Those FL and GR teams do get more points for winning against higher class teams while the Livingston teams don't get that chance to play any. Uneven playing field. While York is playing Avon and CaledoniaMumford FL teams are playing Mynderse and getting more points for it. Does that seem fair to you?

Don't even throw that out. The point system is fair. The FL league also loses points in basketball because we are always forced to play D schools when we are a C. It all works out

[ndfan79]

You can put whatever spin on it you want to justify your views but the fact is DD & D are not getting any where near the same % of team representation as the other classes in sectionals. 8 of 20 D/DD=40%, 8 of 9 C=89%,
8 of 12 B=67%, 8 of 15 A=53%, and 8 of 14 AA=57%.

Last year almost everyone complained about both class d's and the blowouts and forfeits. Section V came on with a solution later and no one on this site complained at all. Now the reality is teams with good records are not going to make they are crying about it. If you want call your AD about it and asked to go back to the old system. That will mean blowouts and forfeits. Fine by me Just quit crying about it after the fact. It the system that is place Deal with it.

[ndfan79]

Don't even throw that out. The point system is fair. The FL league also loses points in basketball because we are always forced to play D schools when we are a C. It all works out

Wow this is a first for me . Me and Dundee fan agree on something.

[toadhead25]

Last year almost everyone complained about both class d's and the blowouts and forfeits. Section V came on with a solution later and no one on this site complained at all. Now the reality is teams with good records are not going to make they are crying about it. If you want call your AD about it and asked to go back to the old system. That will mean blowouts and forfeits. Fine by me Just quit crying about it after the fact. It the system that is place Deal with it.

Amen to that

[coachstew]

You can put whatever spin on it you want to justify your views but the fact is DD & D are not getting any where near the same % of team representation as the other classes in sectionals. 8 of 20 D/DD=40%, 8 of 9 C=89%,
8 of 12 B=67%, 8 of 15 A=53%, and 8 of 14 AA=57%.

Is that not what you are doing by trying to justify it isn't fair to the LCAA teams?

OK let's try this, who have York and Geneseo beat this year? I mean Avon, Cal Mum and Letchworth are really good teams, but I'm not sold that either of these two are in that caliber.

[coachstew]

Last year almost everyone complained about both class d's and the blowouts and forfeits. Section V came on with a solution later and no one on this site complained at all. Now the reality is teams with good records are not going to make they are crying about it. If you want call your AD about it and asked to go back to the old system. That will mean blowouts and forfeits. Fine by me Just quit crying about it after the fact. It the system that is place Deal with it.

I agree with this, and personally prefer this system to the old one.

It means we are going to have some very meaningful games these last two weeks of the regular season.

[O-Line Pride]

York was ahead of avon and calmum at the half of both these games.

just pointing out that why the difference with the D classes? Have a system that is the same for all classes.

[coachstew]

York was ahead of avon and calmum at the half of both these games.

just pointing out that why the difference with the D classes? Have a system that is the same for all classes.

We do now, 8 Class D teams in section V will make the sectional playoffs. The same number that makes it in all other classes.

[ndfan79]

York was ahead of avon and calmum at the half of both these games.

just pointing out that why the difference with the D classes? Have a system that is the same for all classes.

What do you want 21 teams in class d?

[sectionvguy1]

Let’s focus on the real issue here! Metcalf is clueless & ethnocentric.

Metcalf continues to cater his biased thoughts toward LCAA. This guy has the biggest set of blinders on in the world. What a great point, 4 or 5 schools have the same record so they must have a tie breaker. Let’s see every other sports uses some form of the bigger the school you play impacts the points in seeding but that is not fair to your precious LCAA. GET OVER IT! Your argument makes no since when you say it’s not fair because of the league you play in. Was it fair for HFL and Livonia to play all those C schools as non league required crossovers in other s sports for years and years? Was it fair for CA to play in Finger Lakes against teams that were 2-3 classes below them? Here is a thought if you don’t like it join a new league, go independent or ask to play up. I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points. So when the LCAA is really weak and a few teams have inflated records we better keep an eye out for that to.

Do the people in Livingston County actually like this crap this guy writes, or is the LCN such a cheap piece of fish wrap that no one cares what happens because the read the D&C. This guy continues to push his editorial style of writing as journalistic fact, when in reality he is nothing short of a glorified blogger. I guess I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.

[going4broke]

Even if points were even on the first level, York and Geneseo would be out based on second level points. Right now, they are beating teams that aren't winning games and while the LCAA is the best league in the section, LCAAIII is a weak division this year.



Second level points are another joke. Because a 4-2 FL team beats another 4-2 FL team they get all those "second level" points on the four teams they beat. PLLLLEEEASSSE. Second level points are a complete waste.
If they are going to have this current points system then they should match up leagues to take on each other top to bottom bases on classes. Have a week blocked off where these teams could play one another.
for example, Avon vs Clyde; York vs Dundee; Cal-Mum vs South Seneca; Geneseo vs Desales; Letchworth vs Marcus Whitman; Warsaw vs Mynderse; Perry vs Red Jacket.

Just look at last year's Marcus Whitman at Letchworth first round sectional score and then Section V can stick those "second level" points where the sun doesn't sine.

[coachstew]

Second level points are another joke. Because a 4-2 FL team beats another 4-2 FL team they get all those "second level" points on the four teams they beat. PLLLLEEEASSSE. Second level points are a complete waste.
If they are going to have this current points system then they should match up leagues to take on each other top to bottom bases on classes. Have a week blocked off where these teams could play one another.
for example, Avon vs Clyde; York vs Dundee; Cal-Mum vs South Seneca; Geneseo vs Desales; Letchworth vs Marcus Whitman; Warsaw vs Mynderse; Perry vs Red Jacket.

Just look at last year's Marcus Whitman at Letchworth first round sectional score and then Section V can stick those "second level" points where the sun doesn't sine.

yeah but last years Letchworth vs Whitman game was a 1 vs. 8 matchup. Should have been a blowout. The extra week is a good thing allows teams to have that extra regular season game. Maybe an out of league game or two would not be a bad thing.

[lbcoach45]

Second level points are another joke. Because a 4-2 FL team beats another 4-2 FL team they get all those "second level" points on the four teams they beat. PLLLLEEEASSSE. Second level points are a complete waste.
If they are going to have this current points system then they should match up leagues to take on each other top to bottom bases on classes. Have a week blocked off where these teams could play one another.
for example, Avon vs Clyde; York vs Dundee; Cal-Mum vs South Seneca; Geneseo vs Desales; Letchworth vs Marcus Whitman; Warsaw vs Mynderse; Perry vs Red Jacket.

Just look at last year's Marcus Whitman at Letchworth first round sectional score and then Section V can stick those "second level" points where the sun doesn't sine.

What does a 1 vs 8 sectional game have to do with second level points? If you're going to talk about sectionals, at least talk about the two teams this thread is about and how they were both knocked out in the first round by teams from the GR and FLW.

I would love to see more crossover games between the leagues, but that doesn't fix the problem some of crying about. You still have bigger schools in the GR and the FLW that aren't in the LCAAIII.

I guess if people really have an issue with York and Geneseo possibly missing sectionals, they should be upset with the person that put the schedules together and gave each crossover games with two of the top D schools in the state.

[going4broke]

Let’s focus on the real issue here! Metcalf is clueless & ethnocentric.

Metcalf continues to cater his biased thoughts toward LCAA. This guy has the biggest set of blinders on in the world. What a great point, 4 or 5 schools have the same record so they must have a tie breaker. Let’s see every other sports uses some form of the bigger the school you play impacts the points in seeding but that is not fair to your precious LCAA. GET OVER IT! Your argument makes no since when you say it’s not fair because of the league you play in. Was it fair for HFL and Livonia to play all those C schools as non league required crossovers in other s sports for years and years? Was it fair for CA to play in Finger Lakes against teams that were 2-3 classes below them? Here is a thought if you don’t like it join a new league, go independent or ask to play up. I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points. So when the LCAA is really weak and a few teams have inflated records we better keep an eye out for that to.

Do the people in Livingston County actually like this crap this guy writes, or is the LCN such a cheap piece of fish wrap that no one cares what happens because the read the D&C. This guy continues to push his editorial style of writing as journalistic fact, when in reality he is nothing short of a glorified blogger. I guess I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.


I don't think I'm alone in thinking Metcalf sticks up ALOT for the league he represents the LCAA and I guarantee he's more respected than you have ever been, or ever will be. I love his sports section and look forward to it. I don't even read the D&C anymore because they dont have any Livingston coverage. We're lucky to have LCN.

But I'm not here to try and bash a faceless guy like SectionVguy1 who probably sits in his underwear at home playing on the computer all night telling everyone how great an athlete he was yet never even played the game.

Instead I'm here to say that I think the Livingston league should be upset that if they have the exact same record as Notre Dame, South Seneca, Dundee, Clyde, etc. that they are being slighted here. If you read the article you will see clearly that if Geneseo or York finished with the same record as the other teams they will be eliminated from sectional play. Second level points dont even come into play.

Come on SectionVguy1 reveal who you are so we can let Metcalf know. I'm sure he'd laugh with the rest of us.

[UNCTarheels]

Let’s focus on the real issue here! Metcalf is clueless & ethnocentric.

Metcalf continues to cater his biased thoughts toward LCAA. This guy has the biggest set of blinders on in the world. What a great point, 4 or 5 schools have the same record so they must have a tie breaker. Let’s see every other sports uses some form of the bigger the school you play impacts the points in seeding but that is not fair to your precious LCAA. GET OVER IT! Your argument makes no since when you say it’s not fair because of the league you play in. Was it fair for HFL and Livonia to play all those C schools as non league required crossovers in other s sports for years and years? Was it fair for CA to play in Finger Lakes against teams that were 2-3 classes below them? Here is a thought if you don’t like it join a new league, go independent or ask to play up. I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points. So when the LCAA is really weak and a few teams have inflated records we better keep an eye out for that to.

Do the people in Livingston County actually like this crap this guy writes, or is the LCN such a cheap piece of fish wrap that no one cares what happens because the read the D&C. This guy continues to push his editorial style of writing as journalistic fact, when in reality he is nothing short of a glorified blogger. I guess I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.

sectionvguy1, I don't know who you are but I usually agree with you, 90% of the time I agree with your opinion especially when it comes to Basketball...... But I couldn't disagree with you more on this right here........Chris Metcalf is a class act and is one of if not the best high school sportswriters in Section V, Chris goes above and beyond the call of duty and puts out a fantastic sports page each and every week highlighting our area athletes in several different sports. Chris is all about the kids and putting their names out there. Ask any Coach in the LCAA and I'm sure they'll tell you they respect Chris Metcalf and what he does for their team and players. One more thing, if Chris has an opinion he'll tell you about it and he'll tell you with his name attached to it in a Column, he won't hide behind a screen name on a Message board. I have a ton of respect for Chris Metcalf as a Sports Writer and I'm also proud to call him my friend, I know if I need something I can't count on Chris to help me out......You have a right to your opinion sectionvguy1, so do I and so does Chris. And if you disagree with him that's fine but please don't attack Chris Metcalf on my website, he doesn't deserve it..........

Bill Collmer
http://sectionv.talksback.com
bill.Collmer@talksback.com

[going4broke]

What does a 1 vs 8 sectional game have to do with second level points? If you're going to talk about sectionals, at least talk about the two teams this thread is about and how they were both knocked out in the first round by teams from the GR and FLW.

I would love to see more crossover games between the leagues, but that doesn't fix the problem some of crying about. You still have bigger schools in the GR and the FLW that aren't in the LCAAIII.

I guess if people really have an issue with York and Geneseo possibly missing sectionals, they should be upset with the person that put the schedules together and gave each crossover games with two of the top D schools in the state.

I agree fully with that post. Nice job. You're right the league scheduler probably needs to be talked with. Thanks for sharing.

[HoosierDaddy]

1st, I agree that Chris is very good at representing the interests of the schools and athletes in the Livingston County League. My experiences with Chris were always positive and he is a straight forward and honest guy. Every small town newspaper needs a Chris Metcalf.

2nd, I remember when only 4 teams made the football playoffs for each classification and, as a player, you never knew where you stood. Our team made the playoffs with a 7-1 record and ended up the 3rd seed. I am sure some very good teams got left out of the post-season, but that is why you have to get the job done in the regular season.

3rd, Would 6 teams from Class D and 6 from DD work? Might reduce some blowouts and accomodate any disparity in the talent levels of the small school leagues.

Lastly, the LC league hurts their teams when it comes to basketball seedings. They force bigger schools to play crossovers with much smaller schools, thereby earning less points or losing more points. This also hurts the smaller schools as they usually (Lately Perry being the exception) can't compete against those bigger schools, end up having more losses, and have to play a higher seeded 1st round team in sectionals.

[sectionvguy1]

sectionvguy1, I don't know who you are but I usually agree with you, 90% of the time I agree with your opinion especially when it comes to Basketball...... But I couldn't disagree with you more on this right here........Chris Metcalf is a class act and is one of if not the best high school sportswriters in Section V, Chris goes above and beyond the call of duty and puts out a fantastic sports page each and every week highlighting our area athletes in several different sports. Chris is all about the kids and putting their names out there. Ask any Coach in the LCAA and I'm sure they'll tell you they respect Chris Metcalf and what he does for their team and players. One more thing, if Chris has an opinion he'll tell you about it and he'll tell you with his name attached to it in a Column, he won't hide behind a screen name on a Message board. I have a ton of respect for Chris Metcalf as a Sports Writer and I'm also proud to call him my friend, I know if I need something I can't count on Chris to help me out......You have a right to your opinion sectionvguy1, so do I and so does Chris. And if you disagree with him that's fine but please don't attack Chris Metcalf on my website, he doesn't deserve it..........

Bill Collmer
http://sectionv.talksback.com
bill.Collmer@talksback.com


UNC… I respect your opinion and that is exactly what I am doing, offering mine. You provide great amounts of information and do a nice job with the site. I would respectfully disagree with you 100% that there was any attack on this guy, I understand you are friends with him so you might be a bit biased. As a poster on here I do not make off the cuff opinions, but I almost always back them up with a fact to support my thought. This is a great chance for people to disagree with each other in an educated way. Was I hard on this guy, yes I was and it is well deserved. Yes the guy puts his name on the stuff he writes, I am pretty sure he gets paid for it. I don’t think the people on this forum names are relevant unless they are providing false information, accusing someone of a crime or breaking the bounds of opinion with intent to misinform or harm. My problem is that he often blurs the line between being a reporter and being a columnist, which is something I have pointed out for years! Very often the people who read the information take it for fact (especial the AQ and Naz situations) and it seriously misleads the public. I have talked with multiple LCAA coaches in a few different sports who don’t see it the same way you do. These coaches believe that he favors certain schools with coverage, lets personal relationships influence who and how he covers them and most of all allows his opinion to jade some of the coverage. Many have said they do not speak out against him because they do not want to become a target or most of all don’t want their kids caught in the middle of it. Does the guy do anything good, of course he does the weekly spotlight, does a nice job of covering varied sports and goes to games and knows the people/players involved in the game. BTW… if you look back at what I wrote I supported my thoughts about the point system with examples that would allow other reads the right to ponder his thoughts. As for an attack on him…. Is he ethnocentric? Is he blinded to LCAA favor at a fault? Does he blur the line between editorial style and journalistic fact? I really don’t see those as attacks but questions of fact that prompt reads to ask themselves the same question in which they should come to a reasonable conclusion. The only harsh statement made was calling the LCN a cheap fish wrap, so if the LCN is offended by that then I am sorry but you were merely the victim of satire.

[sectionvguy1]

1st, I agree that Chris is very good at representing the interests of the schools and athletes in the Livingston County League. My experiences with Chris were always positive and he is a straight forward and honest guy. Every small town newspaper needs a Chris Metcalf.

2nd, I remember when only 4 teams made the football playoffs for each classification and, as a player, you never knew where you stood. Our team made the playoffs with a 7-1 record and ended up the 3rd seed. I am sure some very good teams got left out of the post-season, but that is why you have to get the job done in the regular season.

3rd, Would 6 teams from Class D and 6 from DD work? Might reduce some blowouts and accomodate any disparity in the talent levels of the small school leagues.

Lastly, the LC league hurts their teams when it comes to basketball seedings. They force bigger schools to play crossovers with much smaller schools, thereby earning less points or losing more points. This also hurts the smaller schools as they usually (Lately Perry being the exception) can't compete against those bigger schools, end up having more losses, and have to play a higher seeded 1st round team in sectionals.


You give good points and examples about the seeding process. I agree get the job done during the regular season. I agree with the basketball example, we can twist it either way.

[sectionvguy1]

I don't think I'm alone in thinking Metcalf sticks up ALOT for the league he represents the LCAA and I guarantee he's more respected than you have ever been, or ever will be. I love his sports section and look forward to it. I don't even read the D&C anymore because they dont have any Livingston coverage. We're lucky to have LCN.

But I'm not here to try and bash a faceless guy like SectionVguy1 who probably sits in his underwear at home playing on the computer all night telling everyone how great an athlete he was yet never even played the game.

Instead I'm here to say that I think the Livingston league should be upset that if they have the exact same record as Notre Dame, South Seneca, Dundee, Clyde, etc. that they are being slighted here. If you read the article you will see clearly that if Geneseo or York finished with the same record as the other teams they will be eliminated from sectional play. Second level points dont even come into play.

Come on SectionVguy1 reveal who you are so we can let Metcalf know. I'm sure he'd laugh with the rest of us.


Now see thing is an example of an attack without any supporting data.

1. Great point of how 5 teams have the same record but LCAA should be upset because they were left out. I guess that the tie breaker they have is not good enough (just like all other sports) because it hurts the teams you want? Everyone can’t make it, it’s not like we are talking about 7-0 teams here.

2. Great characterization of me, feel free to investigate those you critique before you put your foot in your mouth

3. Respect…. Not even worth the comment

[coachstew]

I always enjoy reading Mr. Metcalf's articles. He makes you think and provokes your own thought process which is the job of a good writer. I don't always agree with what he writes and that is the case here. I do believe 4 teams from DD and 4 from D works best. As I said at the beginning of the year, if you want in, win your games.

[PatrickChewing]

It is a shame the section champ game will be week 7 when York plays Geneseo

[coachstew]

It is a shame the section champ game will be week 7 when York plays Geneseo

you really think one of those two are going to win D sectinals?? Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

[sectionvguy1]

you really think one of those two are going to win D sectinals?? Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.


Sarcasim at its finest!

[PatrickChewing]

I think York will win it all. Only other team I see that would give them a fight is ND

[going4broke]

Now see thing is an example of an attack without any supporting data.

1. Great point of how 5 teams have the same record but LCAA should be upset because they were left out. I guess that the tie breaker they have is not good enough (just like all other sports) because it hurts the teams you want? Everyone can’t make it, it’s not like we are talking about 7-0 teams here.

2. Great characterization of me, feel free to investigate those you critique before you put your foot in your mouth

3. Respect…. Not even worth the comment



I knew you didn't have the guts to reveal yourself.

[lbcoach45]

I think York will win it all. Only other team I see that would give them a fight is ND

From what I've heard, York is solid. What other teams have you seen? I think Clyde could surprise some people and Dundee/SS are playing better each week. I haven't heard anything about ND this year.

[Mclfan]

It sounds better than what's happening in class A. Where a team like HFL won't make sectionals but a Section VI school in Barker/Roy Hart will and their schedule is filled with D schools. How does Section V even let a VI school in sectionals?

[sectionvguy1]

I posted how in the other thread you posted

[avonfan]

I also think York wins it if they get in to this crazy mess of sectionals in class D, hopefully they'll have a chance.

[cleareyesfullheart]

It sounds better than what's happening in class A. Where a team like HFL won't make sectionals but a Section VI school in Barker/Roy Hart will and their schedule is filled with D schools. How does Section V even let a VI school in sectionals?

When Barker, Section V, and Roy Hart Section VI, merged they got to chose what section there were allowed to compete. They chose V.

[sectionvguy1]

When Barker, Section V, and Roy Hart Section VI, merged they got to chose what section there were allowed to compete. They chose V.

Barker is NOT a Section V school. They play all other sports in Section VI.

They applied to be in Section V for football only under the Friends a& Neighbors policy. There are number of schools (most are private junior high schools) that fall into this category

[UNCTarheels]

Let’s focus on the real issue here! Metcalf is clueless & ethnocentric.

Metcalf continues to cater his biased thoughts toward LCAA. This guy has the biggest set of blinders on in the world. What a great point, 4 or 5 schools have the same record so they must have a tie breaker. Let’s see every other sports uses some form of the bigger the school you play impacts the points in seeding but that is not fair to your precious LCAA. GET OVER IT! Your argument makes no since when you say it’s not fair because of the league you play in. Was it fair for HFL and Livonia to play all those C schools as non league required crossovers in other s sports for years and years? Was it fair for CA to play in Finger Lakes against teams that were 2-3 classes below them? Here is a thought if you don’t like it join a new league, go independent or ask to play up. I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points. So when the LCAA is really weak and a few teams have inflated records we better keep an eye out for that to.

Do the people in Livingston County actually like this crap this guy writes, or is the LCN such a cheap piece of fish wrap that no one cares what happens because the read the D&C. This guy continues to push his editorial style of writing as journalistic fact, when in reality he is nothing short of a glorified blogger. I guess I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.

In this job I deal with people like Sectionvguy1 all the time, so it sort of comes with the territory. I have no problem with people agreeing, or disagreeing with my opinion. Like they say, opinions are like ass$$$$$, everyone has one.
But Sectionvguy1 seems to get much more personal than to just disagree with my opinion. He's gone off on long tantrums before I've heard and now he seems to be getting more and more personal. He even called me a glorified blogger, which I will take as a compliment, thanks. This coming from someone that has posted a million times.
To me, Sectionvguy1 is just another faceless wannabee, hiding behind an e-mail, or in this case, a screen name, spouting off to anyone that cares.
I simply am sticking up for the Livingston Conference, much like Luke Day does for his FL teams including Dundee, and the same way the late great Hilly did to the GR. Those two are proud of who they represent, much like I am with the LCAA. I have become very close to many of the coaches in the LCAA, especially football, so when something like this happens, I take it to heart and my emotions run high.

Here are some things that Sectionvguy1 pointed out with his charming posts, and my responses...

"He blurs the line between being a reporter and being a columnist, which is something I have pointed out for years!"

Response- I am a columnist idiot. The York/Geneseo item was a column in my paper!! Get "your" facts staright buddy. I write game stories, and columns. Do you know the difference?

"I have talked with multiple LCAA coaches in a few different sports who don’t see it the same way you do. These coaches believe that he favors certain schools with coverage, lets personal relationships influence who and how he covers them and most of all allows his opinion to jade some of the coverage."

Response- I have a great relationship with ALOT of coaches in the LCAA.
I take a lot of pride in those relationships. Those relationships weren't built overnight. They were built through trust, integrity and hard work, through my work-ethic, and theirs as a coach. I don't respect coaches that put in the minimal amount of time, and maybe those are the ones griping to your sorry ear. I never let a personal relationship alter my integrity. NEVER. I have ALWAYS called it like it is, and will continue to do so. As for coverage, the towns that get the most coverage are the ones we sell the most papers too. Did you really go to college dude????

"Many have said they do not speak out against him because they do not want to become a target or most of all don’t want their kids caught in the middle of it."

Response- Who is this idiot?

"Metcalf = Joke!*"*

Response- You and me both my friend!

"I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points."

Response- The LCAA has captured nine state football championships since '90. You do the math! That is if you know how to count."

"I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.

Response- I would think the college made mistake acceptiong your sorry ass, but as for calling us a "local fish wrap," my simple response would be — "A local fish wrap that has a wall full of NYS Press Honors." I guess that means someone likes us.


Lastly, Sectionvguy1 do us all a favor and reveal yourself. I put my name, and photo, on my columns, why don't you do the same and share with everyone just the type of man that you are!!! I will guarantee the only ax you grind for me is because I either never selected your kid to one of my all-star teams or you were probably a consistent name in our police blotter. There are 1000 others just like you, but at least they had the stones to tell me who they were — unlike yourself.





Chris Metcalf
Sports Editor
Livingston County News
122 Main Street
Geneseo, NY 14454
(585) 243-1322
sports@livingstonnews.com

[WRDB24]

I thought it was a great article in the LCN and I love reading his columns. He is fair and honest. The bottom line is there are way too many teams in DD/D and not enough in C. I realize the state sets the enrollment classification so people just need to get over it. If you combined DD/D into one classification and only took the top 8 teams, either Geneseo or York would still not make it. Bottom line is if you lose 3 of your 7 games to teams within your own DD/D division I dont think you deserve to go to sectionals. This isn't basketball where we now have like 12 sectional champions and every school has to have one player on the all tournament team to be politically correct and every team makes the tourney even if they are 0-18. With the state football tournament the regular season is still short enough with just 7 games and going back to 6 regular season games isnt the answer. You need to make the regular season games mean something and again losing 3 of your 7 games against teams that only have a few more students than you doesn't mean you should make the playoffs. Its not like they lost to Hornell or WayCo with significantly bigger enrollments. If you want to go to sectionals them win some more games during the regular season and actually beat somebody with a winning record.

[sectionvguy1]

In this job I deal with people like Sectionvguy1 all the time, so it sort of comes with the territory. I have no problem with people agreeing, or disagreeing with my opinion. Like they say, opinions are like ass$$$$$, everyone has one.
But Sectionvguy1 seems to get much more personal than to just disagree with my opinion. He's gone off on long tantrums before I've heard and now he seems to be getting more and more personal. He even called me a glorified blogger, which I will take as a compliment, thanks. This coming from someone that has posted a million times.
To me, Sectionvguy1 is just another faceless wannabee, hiding behind an e-mail, or in this case, a screen name, spouting off to anyone that cares.
I simply am sticking up for the Livingston Conference, much like Luke Day does for his FL teams including Dundee, and the same way the late great Hilly did to the GR. Those two are proud of who they represent, much like I am with the LCAA. I have become very close to many of the coaches in the LCAA, especially football, so when something like this happens, I take it to heart and my emotions run high.

Here are some things that Sectionvguy1 pointed out with his charming posts, and my responses...

"He blurs the line between being a reporter and being a columnist, which is something I have pointed out for years!"

Response- I am a columnist idiot. The York/Geneseo item was a column in my paper!! Get "your" facts staright buddy. I write game stories, and columns. Do you know the difference?

"I have talked with multiple LCAA coaches in a few different sports who don’t see it the same way you do. These coaches believe that he favors certain schools with coverage, lets personal relationships influence who and how he covers them and most of all allows his opinion to jade some of the coverage."

Response- I have a great relationship with ALOT of coaches in the LCAA.
I take a lot of pride in those relationships. Those relationships weren't built overnight. They were built through trust, integrity and hard work, through my work-ethic, and theirs as a coach. I don't respect coaches that put in the minimal amount of time, and maybe those are the ones griping to your sorry ear. I never let a personal relationship alter my integrity. NEVER. I have ALWAYS called it like it is, and will continue to do so. As for coverage, the towns that get the most coverage are the ones we sell the most papers too. Did you really go to college dude????

"Many have said they do not speak out against him because they do not want to become a target or most of all don’t want their kids caught in the middle of it."

Response- Who is this idiot?

"Metcalf = Joke!*"*

Response- You and me both my friend!

"I love the line that “Section V should consider the strength of the mighty LCAA” when it comes to points."

Response- The LCAA has captured nine state football championships since '90. You do the math! That is if you know how to count."

"I made a mistake over 30 years ago when I went to college and should have looked to at becoming a fiction writer errrr… sports writer for a local fish wrap.

Response- I would think the college made mistake acceptiong your sorry ass, but as for calling us a "local fish wrap," my simple response would be — "A local fish wrap that has a wall full of NYS Press Honors." I guess that means someone likes us.


Lastly, Sectionvguy1 do us all a favor and reveal yourself. I put my name, and photo, on my columns, why don't you do the same and share with everyone just the type of man that you are!!! I will guarantee the only ax you grind for me is because I either never selected your kid to one of my all-star teams or you were probably a consistent name in our police blotter. There are 1000 others just like you, but at least they had the stones to tell me who they were — unlike yourself.


Chris Metcalf
Sports Editor
Livingston County News
122 Main Street
Geneseo, NY 14454
(585) 243-1322
sports@livingstonnews.com



Honestly I would love to just let your response float away in the wind, but the problem is that won’t stop your ways. You still have the LCN at your disposal and will continue to spew the rhetoric over and over again.

It is funny that I was scolded for a personal attack on this guy by UNC, but then UNC then goes forward to publish a reply from this guy that includes things like “faceless wannabe”, “I’m a columnist idiot”, “did you go to college dude”, “who is the idiot”, “do you know how to count”, “college made a mistake accepting your sorry ass”, and stating I must have been in the police blotter? I don’t want to call the kettle black but it looks like the lines of integrity have been blurred again. I have a feeling that the information above maybe classified as A PERSONAL ATTACK, but I guess I don’t make those decisions.

I have read and reread what I wrote many times. I fail to see anywhere in the post how it was a personal attack. As a poster on here I do not make off the cuff opinions, but I almost always back them up with a fact to support my thought. This is a great chance for people to disagree with each other in an educated way. BTW… if you look back at what I wrote I supported my thoughts about the point system with examples that would allow other reads the right to ponder his thoughts. As for an attack on him…. Is he ethnocentric? Is he blinded to LCAA favor at a fault? Does he blur the line between editorial style and journalistic fact? I really don’t see those as attacks but questions of fact that prompt reads to ask themselves the same question in which they should come to a reasonable conclusion. The only harsh statement made was calling the LCN a cheap fish wrap, so if the LCN is offended by that then I am sorry but you were merely the victim of satire

As to respond to some of your well orchestrated thoughts, I ask others to ponder?

You claim to be a columnist and write game stories (which is true) for LCN. Having been very involved in Section V (and beyond) athletics well over 30 years I have encountered numerous people involved in the media. Having a good relationship with many of them, I ask other to think about guys like Jeff DiVeronica, James Johnson, John Baccacino, Dan Enright, Brian Sullivan, John DiTullio, Mike Bailey just to name a few that basically perform the same task. Many of these guys do both columns and stories and the approach they use compared to what this guy uses as his style. Why don’t we see the same concerns with the list above?

Your personal agenda in life has been to attack Aquinas and Nazareth over the past two decades. The funny part about that is I believe that private schools should not be allowed in the Section V Tournament, but I would never approach it with the unprofessional manner you have engaged in. No one expects anyone to love everyone they encounter, but not everyone has the forum you do. There are LCAA coaches (not to mention coaches outside the LCAA who despise you) who work with you but are not fans. The reason they do not express their thoughts is they know your style and it is much easier to not go through life with a target on their back.

I don’t think the people on this forum names are relevant unless they are providing false information, accusing someone of a crime or breaking the bounds of opinion with intent to misinform or harm. The ironic thing here is that you have no real cross interaction with each other. No, you did not scorn my kids with you all star team picks as my kids didn’t play in LCAA and maybe even played before you started this job. I do not live in the LCAA or work at any of its school (and never have) appeared in your police blotter (which just you making that statement says a great amount about you) at anytime. I have extensive connection with Section V and many LCAA members over the past 30+ years. So believe it or not, no personal ax to grind from my end, just trying to protect the big picture.

[rooney=best]

UNC… I respect your opinion and that is exactly what I am doing, offering mine. You provide great amounts of information and do a nice job with the site. I would respectfully disagree with you 100% that there was any attack on this guy, I understand you are friends with him so you might be a bit biased. As a poster on here I do not make off the cuff opinions, but I almost always back them up with a fact to support my thought. This is a great chance for people to disagree with each other in an educated way. Was I hard on this guy, yes I was and it is well deserved. Yes the guy puts his name on the stuff he writes, I am pretty sure he gets paid for it. I don’t think the people on this forum names are relevant unless they are providing false information, accusing someone of a crime or breaking the bounds of opinion with intent to misinform or harm. My problem is that he often blurs the line between being a reporter and being a columnist, which is something I have pointed out for years! Very often the people who read the information take it for fact (especial the AQ and Naz situations) and it seriously misleads the public. I have talked with multiple LCAA coaches in a few different sports who don’t see it the same way you do. These coaches believe that he favors certain schools with coverage, lets personal relationships influence who and how he covers them and most of all allows his opinion to jade some of the coverage. Many have said they do not speak out against him because they do not want to become a target or most of all don’t want their kids caught in the middle of it. Does the guy do anything good, of course he does the weekly spotlight, does a nice job of covering varied sports and goes to games and knows the people/players involved in the game. BTW… if you look back at what I wrote I supported my thoughts about the point system with examples that would allow other reads the right to ponder his thoughts. As for an attack on him…. Is he ethnocentric? Is he blinded to LCAA favor at a fault? Does he blur the line between editorial style and journalistic fact? I really don’t see those as attacks but questions of fact that prompt reads to ask themselves the same question in which they should come to a reasonable conclusion. The only harsh statement made was calling the LCN a cheap fish wrap, so if the LCN is offended by that then I am sorry but you were merely the victim of satire.

MM used to never get alot of coverage.
But here's the thing:
If you do not have a good team people don't want to read about it.
It you don't win big games people don't want to read about.
If it is his job that pays him to get people to read the LCN... why would he focus on weaker schools?

When MM was one of the best Track teams in LCAA and when things started to turn around in Soccer and basketball the coverage was there!

So I'm sorry if Warsaw soccer, Perry Football and Mount Morris Baseball are never heard of in the paper. If you want your name in the paper you have to deserve it first.

[UNCTarheels]

Honestly I would love to just let your response float away in the wind, but the problem is that won’t stop your ways. You still have the LCN at your disposal and will continue to spew the rhetoric over and over again.

It is funny that I was scolded for a personal attack on this guy by UNC, but then UNC then goes forward to publish a reply from this guy that includes things like “faceless wannabe”, “I’m a columnist idiot”, “did you go to college dude”, “who is the idiot”, “do you know how to count”, “college made a mistake accepting your sorry ass”, and stating I must have been in the police blotter? I don’t want to call the kettle black but it looks like the lines of integrity have been blurred again. I have a feeling that the information above maybe classified as A PERSONAL ATTACK, but I guess I don’t make those decisions.

I have read and reread what I wrote many times. I fail to see anywhere in the post how it was a personal attack. As a poster on here I do not make off the cuff opinions, but I almost always back them up with a fact to support my thought. This is a great chance for people to disagree with each other in an educated way. BTW… if you look back at what I wrote I supported my thoughts about the point system with examples that would allow other reads the right to ponder his thoughts. As for an attack on him…. Is he ethnocentric? Is he blinded to LCAA favor at a fault? Does he blur the line between editorial style and journalistic fact? I really don’t see those as attacks but questions of fact that prompt reads to ask themselves the same question in which they should come to a reasonable conclusion. The only harsh statement made was calling the LCN a cheap fish wrap, so if the LCN is offended by that then I am sorry but you were merely the victim of satire

As to respond to some of your well orchestrated thoughts, I ask others to ponder?

You claim to be a columnist and write game stories (which is true) for LCN. Having been very involved in Section V (and beyond) athletics well over 30 years I have encountered numerous people involved in the media. Having a good relationship with many of them, I ask other to think about guys like Jeff DiVeronica, James Johnson, John Baccacino, Dan Enright, Brian Sullivan, John DiTullio, Mike Bailey just to name a few that basically perform the same task. Many of these guys do both columns and stories and the approach they use compared to what this guy uses as his style. Why don’t we see the same concerns with the list above?

Your personal agenda in life has been to attack Aquinas and Nazareth over the past two decades. The funny part about that is I believe that private schools should not be allowed in the Section V Tournament, but I would never approach it with the unprofessional manner you have engaged in. No one expects anyone to love everyone they encounter, but not everyone has the forum you do. There are LCAA coaches (not to mention coaches outside the LCAA who despise you) who work with you but are not fans. The reason they do not express their thoughts is they know your style and it is much easier to not go through life with a target on their back.

I don’t think the people on this forum names are relevant unless they are providing false information, accusing someone of a crime or breaking the bounds of opinion with intent to misinform or harm. The ironic thing here is that you have no real cross interaction with each other. No, you did not scorn my kids with you all star team picks as my kids didn’t play in LCAA and maybe even played before you started this job. I do not live in the LCAA or work at any of its school (and never have) appeared in your police blotter (which just you making that statement says a great amount about you) at anytime. I have extensive connection with Section V and many LCAA members over the past 30+ years. So believe it or not, no personal ax to grind from my end, just trying to protect the big picture.

First of all I didn't scold you, I simply asked you not to attack Chris Metcalf, Scolding you would have been handing out an infraction or suspending you and I don't think you deserved that as you didn't cross the line and I don't think Metcalf did either......not to mention I posted it, what am I going to do give myself an infraction??? BTW John Baccacino is no longer writing high school sports he's the SID at Keuka College........

[UNCTarheels]

MM used to never get alot of coverage.
But here's the thing:
If you do not have a good team people don't want to read about it.
It you don't win big games people don't want to read about.
If it is his job that pays him to get people to read the LCN... why would he focus on weaker schools?

When MM was one of the best Track teams in LCAA and when things started to turn around in Soccer and basketball the coverage was there!

So I'm sorry if Warsaw soccer, Perry Football and Mount Morris Baseball are never heard of in the paper. If you want your name in the paper you have to deserve it first.

Mt. Morris baseball actually made the front page a few years back when they snapped their 20+ game losing streak by beating Geneseo

[Bigzee]

I for one LIKE Chris's Columns !! Its the ONLY reason I buy the Liv County News !! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !! I am a FAN OF Liv County Football !! I am GLAD to see someone in the news show some interest in a GREAT League !!
Granted Div III is NOT up to par with I and II -- they still have some GREAT kids player there BUTTS off !!
I do not know how to fix the current points system for sectionals -- but I do think that it NEEDS to be LOOKED at !! the Current system is Flawed !!

[sectionvguy1]

First of all I didn't scold you, I simply asked you not to attack Chris Metcalf, Scolding you would have been handing out an infraction or suspending you and I don't think you deserved that as you didn't cross the line and I don't think Metcalf did either......not to mention I posted it, what am I going to do give myself an infraction??? BTW John Baccacino is no longer writing high school sports he's the SID at Keuka College........


Ok.. So it was not a scolding, but I still don't think I attack anyone. I think some of things he said were a bit offensive with his vocab choices.

I didn't know John was the SID, I thought he did a real nice job.

[rooney=best]

Mt. Morris baseball actually made the front page a few years back when they snapped their 20+ game losing streak by beating Geneseo

Exactly
Credit given were credit is due.
Oh and it was 70+.
And against Geneseo. Which is fair to say gets the most coverage, but hey the LCN is based in Geneseo, right?

[UNCTarheels]

Ok.. So it was not a scolding, but I still don't think I attack anyone. I think some of things he said were a bit offensive with his vocab choices.

I didn't know John was the SID, I thought he did a real nice job.

yes John did a great job and he'll do great at Keuka, he just started last month

[going4broke]

I know first hand that Metcalf has his share of enemies, but I also know first hand that LCAA coaches respect him. His enemies are mostly parents who think their kid should already be in the NFL or NBA. I've said this before but I wish I had a paper like LCN when I was growing up playing ball. If we got a paragraph about us we would be happy.
I am not alone in thinking his columns add a lot of heart and soul to a generation that has become soft and coddled.

[4livco2]

everyone must admit the system could flawed. avon in '08 won sectionals and were 3-3 in the regular season losing to, leroy the class C champion, Letchworth who lost to leroy in the semis in a close game, and Cal-Mum who was ranked top 10 in the state during the season. under the circumstances today avon would not have even made the sectional tournament. they upset cal-mum and killed a crappy fingerlakes team Clyde-Savannah. only letting 4 teams in screws any team with a tough league.

[lbcoach45]

everyone must admit the system could flawed. avon in '08 won sectionals and were 3-3 in the regular season losing to, leroy the class C champion, Letchworth who lost to leroy in the semis in a close game, and Cal-Mum who was ranked top 10 in the state during the season. under the circumstances today avon would not have even made the sectional tournament. they upset cal-mum and killed a crappy fingerlakes team Clyde-Savannah. only letting 4 teams in screws any team with a tough league.

Bad example, Avon was a 4 seed that year, they would have been in.

[pcssoccer2]

Exactly
Credit given were credit is due.
Oh and it was 70+.
And against Geneseo. Which is fair to say gets the most coverage, but hey the LCN is based in Geneseo, right?

The LCN is a complete and utter joke! Its only focus is Geneseo and Avon.. Nothing else matters to them.. You dont see the Batavia daily just talking about Notre Dame and Batavia HS! They came down here to cover the York/Perry game, they had a huge article about Alexander, they mention Pavilion and some other livingston county teams.. LCN is a joke

[rooney=best]

The LCN is a complete and utter joke! Its only focus is Geneseo and Avon.. Nothing else matters to them.. You dont see the Batavia daily just talking about Notre Dame and Batavia HS! They came down here to cover the York/Perry game, they had a huge article about Alexander, they mention Pavilion and some other livingston county teams.. LCN is a joke

Nah...they also have alot on:
Cal-mum
Hornell
Livonia
Letchworth
Bath

Good schools get alot of coverage.
York, Perry, Kesh, and Mount Morris get their fair share too when they do good.

[sectionvguy1]

I have no issue with LCN, their job is to sell papers.

My issue is with the style and approach used by 1 person and 1 person only that is metcalf. Now.. I guess there could be some additional blame to go around with the people who actually sign the paycheck.

[UNCTarheels]

Nah...they also have alot on:
Cal-mum
Hornell
Livonia
Letchworth
Bath

Good schools get alot of coverage.
York, Perry, Kesh, and Mount Morris get their fair share too when they do good.

the Keshequa girls soccer team was on the cover of the Fall Soccer preview, Perry gets great coverage too. Its spread out pretty good

[going4broke]

Hey PCSsoccer2 maybe LCN should start writing more about the Perry 1-10-2 soccer team. That might sell a bunch of papers huh?

[pcssoccer2]

Hey PCSsoccer2 maybe LCN should start writing more about the Perry 1-10-2 soccer team. That might sell a bunch of papers huh?

maybe I should rephrase.. They cover the league well, I get that part.. However, I see Geneseo and Avon highlighted more that any other school.

[UNCTarheels]

maybe I should rephrase.. They cover the league well, I get that part.. However, I see Geneseo and Avon highlighted more that any other school.

They paper is based out of Geneseo I would hope that their school gets good coverage and it helps that most of their sports teams are good.......... What's next somebody will complain that the Hornell Evening Tribune is giving way more coverage to the Hornell Football team than it deserves?

[g-man]

They paper is based out of Geneseo I would hope that their school gets good coverage and it helps that most of their sports teams are good.......... What's next somebody will complain that the Hornell Evening Tribune is giving way more coverage to the Hornell Football team than it deserves?

every area has their own paper. what most people will notice is that each paper will cover certain schools more then others. this is a fact for most papers. the question is why. the answer is simple: it is a business and they are going to do stories primarily on the schools where the most papers are purchased. this will keep their majority of readers happy. they could care less about the few loud people and more about the quiet people who spend money. if you want more coverage then have people in your district buy more papers.

[pcssoccer2]

They paper is based out of Geneseo I would hope that their school gets good coverage and it helps that most of their sports teams are good.......... What's next somebody will complain that the Hornell Evening Tribune is giving way more coverage to the Hornell Football team than it deserves?

Do I need to bold? HORNELL EVENING TRIBUNE it has Hornell in it so clearly it is just a Hornell paper.. THE LIVINGSTON COUNTY NEWS Should essentially cover Livingston County.. Not just highlight Geneseo and Avon the entire time.. I understand its the "Geneseo Paper" but if you don't cover everyone in Livingston County equally it's practically false advertisement bro.. JMO

[going4broke]

Well seeing that Perry isn't even in Livingston County maybe you should appreciate you even get a paragraph or two.

[pcssoccer2]

Well seeing that Perry isn't even in Livingston County maybe you should appreciate you even get a paragraph or two.

Which I do appreciate it dude.. But the problem with that is, us and york could go into double overtime and york could win with 2 second left and still get a shorter article than Avon dominating a Warsaw team 20-0.. Do you understand where I am coming from or do I have to speak slower?

[going4broke]

Being that you're from Perry you probably speak slow enough anyways so don't worry.

[pcssoccer2]

Being that you're from Perry you probably speak slow enough anyways so don't worry.

With that ignorant statement I'm thinking that you might be the one with issues.. I don't know what everyone has on Perry, but too get called out on a thread about being from Perry when I haven't even mentioned Perry is completely absurd and needs to be addressed.. If that is seriously the only comeback you have against me, I suggest going to www.google.com and type in "Come Backs" and press the "I'm feeling lucky" button because dude, you need it..

[going4broke]

You mentioned Perry in your last comment, what do you have "selected memory" as well.
Listen quit whining about not getting any coverage and go out and win a few games so maybe you can get your name in the paper.

[pcssoccer2]

You mentioned Perry in your last comment, what do you have "selected memory" as well.
Listen quit whining about not getting any coverage and go out and win a few games so maybe you can get your name in the paper.

Wait a minute here lol. Ok so 1.) I only mentioned Perry because you did dude. I was talking about Geneseo and Avon.. Not one comment about Perry until you had to go and start something.. 2.) I could care less if I'm in the paper because I'm in college now. Not to mention when I was in high school, Perry went to sectional finals in 2009 carrying the haters on our backs.. 3.) I was all over the Batavia Daily when I was in high school. A paper that is about 30 minutes from my house covered Perry better than the LCN who is what 10 minutes? Go back to school and quit trying to start stuff on here.. Your education is much more important

[going4broke]

Why is a soccer guy on here spreading his crapola on a football thread anyways? Shouldn't you be kicking around a little white ball with your short shorts on or something. Seriously your're bragging about losing in the sectional finals in 2009 — to who other than Geneseo — who have throttled your Perry soccer team repeatedly over the last several years. Maybe that's why you hate Geneseo so much because they OWN you. But then again, who cares, its only soccer. Go kick a ball or something and let the men discuss football.

[UNCTarheels]

Do I need to bold? HORNELL EVENING TRIBUNE it has Hornell in it so clearly it is just a Hornell paper.. THE LIVINGSTON COUNTY NEWS Should essentially cover Livingston County.. Not just highlight Geneseo and Avon the entire time.. I understand its the "Geneseo Paper" but if you don't cover everyone in Livingston County equally it's practically false advertisement bro.. JMO

That's just it, they're not just a Hornell paper they cover a large area and three other Football teams besides Hornell, Canisteo-Greenwood, Dansville & Wayland-Cohocton....That was my point, but obviously with two straight state Championships and a 33 game winning streak they're getting a lot of attention.

[pcssoccer2]

Why is a soccer guy on here spreading his crapola on a football thread anyways? Shouldn't you be kicking around a little white ball with your short shorts on or something. Seriously your're bragging about losing in the sectional finals in 2009 — to who other than Geneseo — who have throttled your Perry soccer team repeatedly over the last several years. Maybe that's why you hate Geneseo so much because they OWN you. But then again, who cares, its only soccer. Go kick a ball or something and let the men discuss football.

This is such a typical football player post right here.. We beat Geneseo in 2009.. First game we played them we beat them IN GENESEO 1-0. But you wouldn't know that because you are too air headed and cocky, you only care about football.. I'm going to guess that you play a total of 0 minutes because if you were good you would let your talking be on the field rather than a sports thread website. The valley bowl this year is going to be incredible and it's going to be a fun game to watch. I'm saying that Geneseo with get a lot more media attention through the LCN because thats what the LCN does.. York could be the better team but won't get any credit.. York will win 28-13..

[pcssoccer2]

That's just it, they're not just a Hornell paper they cover a large area and three other Football teams besides Hornell, Canisteo-Greenwood, Dansville & Wayland-Cohocton....That was my point, but obviously with two straight state Championships and a 33 game winning streak they're getting a lot of attention.

But what I'm saying is that I see the LCN not sticking to it's title.. Maybe they should change their name to the Geneseo Gazette?

[going4broke]

This is such a typical football player post right here.. We beat Geneseo in 2009.. First game we played them we beat them IN GENESEO 1-0. But you wouldn't know that because you are too air headed and cocky, you only care about football.. I'm going to guess that you play a total of 0 minutes because if you were good you would let your talking be on the field rather than a sports thread website. The valley bowl this year is going to be incredible and it's going to be a fun game to watch. I'm saying that Geneseo with get a lot more media attention through the LCN because thats what the LCN does.. York could be the better team but won't get any credit.. York will win 28-13..

I was actually talking about the SECTIONAL FINALS when Geneseo ended your season by beating you!!!!! I actually went to that game (Ive only been to about 3 soccer games in my whole life) and watched Geneseo dominate but only win 1-0 because Perry played with what looked like 12 defenders that game. Im, not even sure Perry got a shot off. You must have a complex about the way Geneseo handled your team that day. And if you did play for them you must be average at best because I didn't think Perry had any standout players, at least that day.

[pcssoccer2]

I was actually talking about the SECTIONAL FINALS when Geneseo ended your season by beating you!!!!! I actually went to that game (Ive only been to about 3 soccer games in my whole life) and watched Geneseo dominate but only win 1-0 because Perry played with what looked like 12 defenders that game. Im, not even sure Perry got a shot off. You must have a complex about the way Geneseo handled your team that day. And if you did play for them you must be average at best because I didn't think Perry had any standout players, at least that day.

I was actually one of the defenders that game and kept Mel contained until the 2nd half where he moved to the other side and scored.. We got a lot of shots off dude idk what you are talking about.. I started on varsity for 3 years and every year we had an above .500 season, winning at least one sectional game every year.. My career I have 20 points with 1 year play defense to its entirety.. My senior year had a double overtime game winning goal at way-co tournament playing defense the entire game.. This is a football thread remember? Keep it that way..

btw.. heres the link http://thedailynewsonline.com/sports/article_6c4e5c29-0d9a-5caf-ba3a-ebaf199f6d95.html

[going4broke]

I was actually one of the defenders that game and kept Mel contained until the 2nd half where he moved to the other side and scored.. We got a lot of shots off dude idk what you are talking about.. I started on varsity for 3 years and every year we had an above .500 season, winning at least one sectional game every year.. My career I have 20 points with 1 year play defense to its entirety.. My senior year had a double overtime game winning goal at way-co tournament playing defense the entire game.. This is a football thread remember? Keep it that way..

btw.. heres the link http://thedailynewsonline.com/sports/article_6c4e5c29-0d9a-5caf-ba3a-ebaf199f6d95.html

Here's a golf clap for the cocky Perry soccer defender who brags about being above .500 and his claim to fame is LOSING to Geneseo. Clap, clap. And if you're Justin Welliver well I NEVER heard of you. Take the press clippings (I mean clipping as in ONE) and show someone who cares!

[pcssoccer2]

Here's a golf clap for the cocky Perry soccer defender who brags about being above .500 and his claim to fame is LOSING to Geneseo. Clap, clap. And if you're Justin Welliver well I NEVER heard of you. Take the press clippings (I mean clipping as in ONE) and show someone who cares!

You said I was average when I get letters to play all the time.. I dont want people to know me haha who are you then.. Im not afraid to tell people who I am so why would you?

[WRDB24]

I thought Perry was in Wyoming County not Liv Cty? I got an idea, how about if Wyoming County and whatever counties Bolivar-Richburg, Cuba-Rushford and Canisteo-Greenwood are in form their own football league so that the Liv Cty teams dont have to play them and lose "second level points" for sectionals every week since none of those teams win any games other than against themselves. That way both Geneseo and York would have to play better teams (like all Liv Cty D II teams) and they wouldnt be guaranteed 4 wins every year against these JV teams which pretty much automatically gets at least one of them into the sectionals. And even better yet the LCN wouldnt even have to cover any Perry sports! Keep up the great work covering our area sports teams LCN.

[PatrickChewing]

This is getting way off topic. Get back to the York Geneseo game.
Perry gets its fair share in the LCN in sports they are good in Cheerleading, basketball and tennis.

[coachstew]

OK, so what can you guys from Livingston tell us about Geneseo and York. Who will win?? Who are the players to watch??

[PatrickChewing]

OK, so what can you guys from Livingston tell us about Geneseo and York. Who will win?? Who are the players to watch??

York is going to win by 2 tds.

[rooney=best]

OK, so what can you guys from Livingston tell us about Geneseo and York. Who will win?? Who are the players to watch??

In my eyes York is the better team. They have a decent passing game and a solid RB in Mike Truax.

[Bigzee]

York will win in a GOOD game !!

[going4broke]

York is a very good team no doubt but I think Geneseo has way to much talent for York to handle. Who's gonna stop Copeland? And if you stop him who's gonna stop Ridler? Or Smith? York doesn't have nearly as many weapons. Geneseo by at least one touchdown.

[pcssoccer2]

York 28-13..

[patriots123.]

Go Warsaw! They will destroy perry

[Timmay]

I hear that Geneseo won by more than a touchdown. The scoring was very high...40+ to 30+. Wish I had gone.

[bugger]

Go Warsaw! They will destroy perry

warsaw 14 to 6. perry coaching had a great deal of that loss. 2 onside kicks on 1st 2 kickoffs. Then 10+ runs to start game and then after the first 2 drives they get pass happy again. RUN<RUN<RUN coach and you get a W.

[pcssoccer2]

Go Warsaw! They will destroy perry

I would have agreed with you actually.. haha

[lbcoach45]

My only "issue" with the article is that the focus was on class DD/D and when you look at sectional titles, the FLW has been the best league in the class. That probably won't be the case this year, but since 2000, the FLW has had 6 state reps, the LCAA has had 2 (does not count the loser of the DD/D crossover game). The FLW has had 4 teams represent V in states. That's pretty impressive.

Based on the argument that was used to defend the article (state titles), I think the system should favor the FLW to a degree, due to the success the league has had. I get why people in the LCAA would be upset and I get why Metcalf would take the stance he did. I just disagree with it when it comes to class D.

And while I don't think I'm bashing anyone with this post, my name is Mike Gorton and I used to coach at Marcus Whitman. I know how good the top teams in the LCAA are (Letchworth twice in sectionals) and feel it is the best small school league in V. It just hasn't been the best league in class D the past decade.

[PatrickChewing]

But LivCo Has not played in D that often since 2000
2000 cal mum won class c
2001 leroy beat avon finals class c
2002 leroy over cal mum class c
2003 cal mum won c
2004 leroy class c winners
2005 leroy lost in finals
2006 LEROY over letch in finals c Avon Lost in finals of D to Oakfield
2007 Leroy wins C
2008 leroy wins c Avon wins DD lost in crossover game
2009 AVON OVER CAL MUM IN dd FINALS lost in crosover Letch wins C
2010 Cal mum wins DD Wins cross over game Letch wins C

I would say LivCo has been alot stronger in football since 2000

[coachstew]

But LivCo Has not played in D that often since 2000
2000 cal mum won class c
2001 leroy beat avon finals class c
2002 leroy over cal mum class c
2003 cal mum won c
2004 leroy class c winners
2005 leroy lost in finals
2006 LEROY over letch in finals c Avon Lost in finals of D to Oakfield
2007 Leroy wins C
2008 leroy wins c Avon wins DD lost in crossover game
2009 AVON OVER CAL MUM IN dd FINALS lost in crosover Letch wins C
2010 Cal mum wins DD Wins cross over game Letch wins C

I would say LivCo has been alot stronger in football since 2000

During that same time frame though...

2000 Red Jacket won Class D
2001 Clyde won Class D
2002 Lyons beat Clyde in finals
2003 Lyons won Class D
2004 Whitman lost in Class C final
2005 Whitman wins Class C
2007 Dundee in Class D final
2008 Dundee won Class D final and play in Game over Avon
2009 Dundee won Class D final and Play in game over Avon
2010 Dundee won Class D final and lost play in game to Cal Mum.

FLW has had at least on finalist every year except 2006. I think if you look through the brackets those years as well you would find at least 2 or 3 LCAA teams in D every year. I would agree that LCAA div. 2 is stronger this year. I certainly think Letchworth is going to be the class of the D field this year. However, LCAA Div. 3, I'm not sold on those teams yet.

[lbcoach45]

But LivCo Has not played in D that often since 2000

That's not true at all. Since 2000, at least a 1/4 of the sectional field in D has been Liv Co schools. You're just cherry picking the top teams.

And since you brought up class C, the most schools the FLW has had in sectionals is 2 since 2000. There are years where Mynderse is the only class C school in the FL and no one from the FL makes class C sectionals.

[sectionvguy1]

That's not true at all. Since 2000, at least a 1/4 of the sectional field in D has been Liv Co schools. You're just cherry picking the top teams.

And since you brought up class C, the most schools the FLW has had in sectionals is 2 since 2000. There are years where Mynderse is the only class C school in the FL and no one from the FL makes class C sectionals.



That is the problem with statements like his, they make a statement with false information and not backed up by facts.

[going4broke]

York is a very good team no doubt but I think Geneseo has way to much talent for York to handle. Who's gonna stop Copeland? And if you stop him who's gonna stop Ridler? Or Smith? York doesn't have nearly as many weapons. Geneseo by at least one touchdown.

I'm thinking my prediction was right on.
Copeland Smith and Ridler combined for every touchdown and Geneseo won by "at least" one TD — eight points....

SectionVGuy1 give it up.. Your pointless comments are just that!!!

[csbacker]

York/Geneseo loser will miss sectional field, what a joke!
By Chris Metcalf


The stakes just got higher for this year’s ‘Valley Ball’ as Geneseo will
visit York Friday, Oct. 14.
Not only will the winner get to stick the Valley Ball in their trophy
case for the next year — as well as capture the Livingston Conference
D-III title outright, but they will also eliminate the other from the
Class D sectional tournament.
I’m not happy about this. I think York and Geneseo both deserve to make
the sectionals, but because Section V Football has a points system that
is favorable towards the Finger Lakes and Genesee Region, one of our
LCAA Class D teams is going straight to pool play.
Let me explain.
Normally, if a Class D sized school plays another ‘D’ school, the winner
gets five points, while the loser loses five. That seems fair.
However, if a ‘D’ school plays a ‘C’ school, they earn six points for a
win, and if they lose they only get whacked four points.
That’s fair if you play in a league where everyone gets to take on the
same amount of ‘D’ and ‘C’ schools. But if you play in Livingston D-III,
where all your teams are ‘D’ size schools, the system is unfair, given
the fact that the Finger Lakes and Genesee Region has several ‘C’
schools, who mostly play at a sub-par level.
For Finger Lakes teams like Dundee, Clyde-Savannah, South Seneca and
DeSales, they all play two ‘C’ schools — Marcus Whitman and Mynderse.
Now Marcus Whitman isn’t bad, but Mynderse is downright awful this year,
meaning all the above teams will pretty much guarantee themselves six
points after they beat them.
So far, after five games this season, Clyde, Dundee, South Seneca and
DeSales all have an identical 3-2 record, just as York and Geneseo do —
yet all four of those teams are ahead of them based on those points they
received for playing those ‘C’ size schools.
This just isn’t fair, especially since both Geneseo and York’s only
losses have come to undefeated Avon, the No. 3 ranked team in the state
in Class D, and Cal-Mum, last year’s Class D state finalists and a top
15 team in the state this year.
Amazingly to me, if the sectionals started today, York and Geneseo would
both be out based on this faulty points system.
However, assuming Geneseo beat Finney and York beats Bolivar-Richburg
this week (which certainly should be the case), they will each move to
4-2 with their big showdown next Friday. The winner of that game will go
to 5-2 and should hopefully lock up a berth in the sectional tournament.
The loser, despite no doubt being one of the top four teams in Class D,
will head to pool play, because of this unfair points system.
Same goes true with Batavia Notre Dame from the Genesee Region.
The Irish play a GR schedule that includes two ‘DD’ teams (Alexander and
Oakfield-Alabama); three ‘C’ teams (Attica, Holley and Pembroke); one
‘B’ team (Elba/Byron-Bergen) and one ‘A’ program (Roy-Hart/Barker).
Right now B-ND is sitting in the top spot with a 4-1 record and 19
points. Their only loss last week to Elba/Byron Bergen cost them a mere
three points because they were up two classes. If the Irish beat
Pembroke this week, but lose to Roy-Hart/Barker, they will finish with
22 points, which will be five points higher than either York or Geneseo,
despite having the SAME record.
How is that fair?
It isn’t.
In Class DD, Cal-Mum can probably thank their lucky stars that Bishop
Kearney plays a tough schedule that consists of Hornell, Livonia and
Way-Co because had the Kings instead played a cupcake schedule, the
defending state finalist Red Raiders would have NOT made this year’s
‘DD’ sectional tournament. That would have been a travesty.
However, there is still is a chance Cal-Mum could get bumped.
Right now Cal-Mum (3-2) has five points with Kearney (2-3) at minus one.
Kearney plays Class C Way-Co this week, and Class B Batavia next week.
Two wins would take them to plus 12. Cal-Mum plays Warsaw this week,
which should get them five points to take them to plus 10, and then the
Red Raiders take on arch-rival Le Roy, a team that has become very
dangerous the past few weeks. A Cal-Mum win over Le Roy would tack on
six, however a loss to the Knights would dip them to plus six, and if
Kearney did win those two, Cal-Mum would be left out of the dance.
I’m not saying that Kearney is going to beat Way-Co this week, but with
the Golden Eagles’ top running back Tyler Thielges out with a broken
collarbone, it is a possibility. A victory over Way-Co would certainly
give Kearney some momentum heading into their final game with Class B
Batavia.
The point is this — Section V needs to take a good, long look at the
current points system and they need to take into consideration the
strength of the mighty LCAA.
Because right now, teams like York, Geneseo and Cal-Mum are definitely a
victim of their own strength of conference.
They would be better off play an independent schedule (see Joe Marchand).




Chris Metcalf
Sports Editor
Livingston County News
122 Main Street
Geneseo, NY 14454
(585) 243-1322
sports@livingstonnews.com

South Seneca proved they should be there before York.

[going4broke]

South Seneca proved they should be there before York.

Pool Play games don't matter one bit. York was playing for nothing. They never got off the bus.

[csbacker]

Pool Play games don't matter one bit. York was playing for nothing. They never got off the bus.

Bull Pucky. Then why even play the game? I would think that they would want to prove that they belonged in sectionals like South Seneca did. Are you speaking for them or the school?

[sectionvguy1]

Pool Play games don't matter one bit. York was playing for nothing. They never got off the bus.



A game is a game, I am sure they were playing for the mighty LCAA.

[lbcoach45]

Pool Play games don't matter one bit. York was playing for nothing. They never got off the bus.

I put very little stock into pool play games. You don't know what the teams are thinking, if they want to play, if the coaches want to get guys time that didn't play during the year, if they are looking at younger guys to get them experience...., the list goes on.

However, I think if you are going to be upset with the system, then that needs to be backed up with what happens on the field. If nothing else, this lessens the argument that the system wasn't fair for York this year, whether they got off the bus or not, they had the opportunity to show they belonged on the field, instead of through an article.

[Giz]

A game is a game, I am sure they were playing for the mighty LCAA.

OH PLEASE... Avon played pool play in '07 against Geneseo after losing quarterfinals to Pembroke. Those guys could have cared less about that damn game. It meant nothing at that point. They had their homecoming (OT loss against Letchworth-ouch!), had their shot at sectional play and walked away with heads hanging low, they were checked out...and that team lived, ate, breathed football! Spare me with all this hype about pool play. Once that title is no longer in reach, these 16 and 17 yr olds are ready to move onto their next sport.

[going4broke]

OH PLEASE... Avon played pool play in '07 against Geneseo after losing quarterfinals to Pembroke. Those guys could have cared less about that damn game. It meant nothing at that point. They had their homecoming (OT loss against Letchworth-ouch!), had their shot at sectional play and walked away with heads hanging low, they were checked out...and that team lived, ate, breathed football! Spare me with all this hype about pool play. Once that title is no longer in reach, these 16 and 17 yr olds are ready to move onto their next sport.

Agreed. Once their dream of a Sectional Championship is gone, players could care less.As for the "Mighty LCAA" well lets see — Livonia beats Geneva Wayland Cohocton crushes Mynderse Avon plays poorly but beats Lyons And Marcus Whitman beats a Dansville team playing without their top player (BootsLovetro) so I think all in all the "Mighty LCAA" had a pretty good night.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these ended up being the championship game matchups.
D- Geneseo vs whoever
DD- Letchworth vs Avon
C- Way-Coh vs Wellsville
B- Hornell vs Livonia.

7 out of 8.
I'd say that's pretty "MIGHTY" right there.

[lbcoach45]

Bottom line, the system is not perfect. You can't argue otherwise, a win against Mynderse shouldn't mean more than a win against Cal Mum. I think we can all agree on that. I think we can also all agree that the LCAA is a tougher league on a yearly basis than the FLW, specifically I and II.

This thread was started because of complaints about the system and how York or Geneseo were going to get cheated. Over the past decade, the FLW has had more success in class D, especially against LCAAIII teams. That is a fact, look at the games that are on the section V website. York had a chance to show they were superior to the 4th best D school from the FLW, they weren't able to do that. Doesn't mean they aren't a good team, doesn't even mean they would have loss to a FLW school if they had made sectionals, but it does hurt the argument that they were cheated. Everything that is being said about York not showing up, could also be applied to South Seneca, they came into the season with same goals as York.

Avon beat Lyons by 4, I don't want to hear any excuses about them not playing well, because again, the same could be said for Lyons. It sounds and looks like it was a close game. Letchworth has proven to be the best team in class D by a large margin at this point. After that, it looks like there is a good possibility that the FLW and the LCAAII and III are fairly even.

This thread is not about class B (no FLW teams in B), or even about class C. It was started because of class D.

[going4broke]

Bottom line, the system is not perfect. You can't argue otherwise, a win against Mynderse shouldn't mean more than a win against Cal Mum. I think we can all agree on that. I think we can also all agree that the LCAA is a tougher league on a yearly basis than the FLW, specifically I and II.

This thread was started because of complaints about the system and how York or Geneseo were going to get cheated. Over the past decade, the FLW has had more success in class D, especially against LCAAIII teams. That is a fact, look at the games that are on the section V website. York had a chance to show they were superior to the 4th best D school from the FLW, they weren't able to do that. Doesn't mean they aren't a good team, doesn't even mean they would have loss to a FLW school if they had made sectionals, but it does hurt the argument that they were cheated. Everything that is being said about York not showing up, could also be applied to South Seneca, they came into the season with same goals as York.

Avon beat Lyons by 4, I don't want to hear any excuses about them not playing well, because again, the same could be said for Lyons. It sounds and looks like it was a close game. Letchworth has proven to be the best team in class D by a large margin at this point. After that, it looks like there is a good possibility that the FLW and the LCAAII and III are fairly even.

This thread is not about class B (no FLW teams in B), or even about class C. It was started because of class D.

Great points. Great post.

[going4broke]

Geneseo 64, Dundee 14
ENOUGH SAID.
End the post!!!!!

[lbcoach45]

Geneseo 64, Dundee 14
ENOUGH SAID.
End the post!!!!!

Agreed.

[coachstew]

Geneseo 64, Dundee 14
ENOUGH SAID.
End the post!!!!!

Agreed, can't be argued this year.

[flhoops]

Bottom line, the system is not perfect. You can't argue otherwise, a win against Mynderse shouldn't mean more than a win against Cal Mum. I think we can all agree on that. I think we can also all agree that the LCAA is a tougher league on a yearly basis than the FLW, specifically I and II.

This thread was started because of complaints about the system and how York or Geneseo were going to get cheated. Over the past decade, the FLW has had more success in class D, especially against LCAAIII teams. That is a fact, look at the games that are on the section V website. York had a chance to show they were superior to the 4th best D school from the FLW, they weren't able to do that. Doesn't mean they aren't a good team, doesn't even mean they would have loss to a FLW school if they had made sectionals, but it does hurt the argument that they were cheated. Everything that is being said about York not showing up, could also be applied to South Seneca, they came into the season with same goals as York.

Avon beat Lyons by 4, I don't want to hear any excuses about them not playing well, because again, the same could be said for Lyons. It sounds and looks like it was a close game. Letchworth has proven to be the best team in class D by a large margin at this point. After that, it looks like there is a good possibility that the FLW and the LCAAII and III are fairly even.

This thread is not about class B (no FLW teams in B), or even about class C. It was started because of class D.

...although it is the same situation for both teams, The CF bowl games typically come down to who still wants to play rather than who is the better team. Alot like consolation games of a basketball tourney. York by losing to geneseo by one TD & then geneseo beating Dundee by 50 pts. would seem to point to the fact that York didn't want to play in the game, rather a comment on over all league strength. Hats off to SS & their coaching staff for doing the better job of motivating & preparing.

[g-man]

...although it is the same situation for both teams, The CF bowl games typically come down to who still wants to play rather than who is the better team. Alot like consolation games of a basketball tourney. York by losing to geneseo by one TD & then geneseo beating Dundee by 50 pts. would seem to point to the fact that York didn't want to play in the game, rather a comment on over all league strength. Hats off to SS & their coaching staff for doing the better job of motivating & preparing.

ss was happy to be playing another game -- it was their sectionals. york was disappointed that they weren't in the sectionals -- that is exactly how they played.

[4livco2]

could this class d bracket be one of the least talented brackets of the past decade. not trying to make people mad but if geneseo wins that means they will play avon or letchworth who both killed geneseo. and i know the avon geneseo score was close but its fair to say they were getting killed before the second stringers were in. just saying not a very talented bracket

[coachstew]

could this class d bracket be one of the least talented brackets of the past decade. not trying to make people mad but if geneseo wins that means they will play avon or letchworth who both killed geneseo. and i know the avon geneseo score was close but its fair to say they were getting killed before the second stringers were in. just saying not a very talented bracket

In recent years we've had some really good teams come out of the D bracket. Dundee won the playin game twice, Bolivar had some really good teams, so has Clyde, and Notre Dame. I think it's cyclical, will come back around in a year or two.

[4livco2]

im sure it will, i'm a big fan of class d and dd football. just wondering if the 4 team style really allowed for the best competition. just a thought