Geneva Vs. Bath

[footballchamp101]

What do you think the outcome of this game is going to be and will allen have another stellar game as he did today.....??

[BATHFAN]

Bath 21 - Geneva 13

[CMRedRaiders]

Geneva 42 Bath 17

[rockandroll34]

Bath 20, Geneva 15

[Section5sportsguy]

Geneva 38 Bath 20

[bathtime]

Wow what a Sectional Final game. Hard-nose football at its best. I have to say i am one of Bath's biggest fans but Allen is a great high school running back. The Rams D has not given up many rushing yards all year and if they want to have any chance at winning they need to control Geneva on the ground because they will throw it up and have great potential in that receiving crew that they have out there. If Bath controls Allen and holds him to under 150 i say they win the game 21-14. If they do not control Allen Geneva wins big 35-14. I guess we shall let the kids decide. Good Luck Rams.

[Brumski75]

Coach Withcomb has done one of his finest jobs this year after losing so many kids to graduation last year. Huge burden was placed on this young group of players because of the programs success the last few years. As I was watching the game on Sunday I came to realize this group hasn't even played to their potential yet, which is quite scary for any opponent.

Coach Carroll has also done an outstanding job rebuilding a program in just two short years. Their smash-mouth style of ball is refreshing to watch when most teams have moved away from it. Great win on sunday puts Section V's two best Class B teams up against each other.

In the end I believe Geneva has to have the edge because they have the ability to play smash-mouth with the best of them and the ability to open it up and beat a team with speed. Congrats to both team for making it this far, you both have been entertaining to watch, Geneva 38 BH 17. Go Panthers!!!

[blitz14]

Bath 10 Geneva 46

[BombeRLV56]

i dont care 4 either of the 2 teams


but if i had 2 say


BATH 28 GENEVA 14

[VFan05]

i dont care 4 either of the 2 teams


but if i had 2 say


BATH 28 GENEVA 14

Is that because you don't care for Geneva more than you don't care for Bath?

[rockandroll34]

Truth be told, Geneva should win this game easily, Bath hasn't beaten what I would consider a quality team at this point.
They beat Cal-Mum and we saw what they were all about and they beat Whitman and they weren't much. Their only other tough test was Hornell and the Red Raiders blasted them.
But I would love to see Bath pull off the upset, and it would be just that — a huge upset.

[BombeRLV56]

yes, thats y i picked Bath over Geneva


Also i have played geneva..... lost by 5 points...... but would have beat them if not for injurys.


and i have seen bath play and i think they can pull it off.

[VFan05]

yes, thats y i picked Bath over Geneva


Also i have played geneva..... lost by 5 points...... but would have beat them if not for injurys.


and i have seen bath play and i think they can pull it off.


Would have beat them if not for injuries? Come on bud, you and I both know that injuries are a part of the game of football. The championship teams are the ones who can overcome those injuries and still win.

[totallyfive]

Geneva is head and shoulders above Bath. Bath is way overrated, beating Waterloo and Whitman, what a cake walk! Hornell blasted them and Geneva was clearly better than Hornell. The smashmouth image of Bath is wayyyyy overblown. They aren't as physical as Hornell, and that was the difference in the 35-14 whipping, and Geneva is more physical than Hornell.
Geneva 31-7.

[UNCTarheels]

The Talk is nice but you should probably let "Actions Speak louder than words" you saying that Bath isn't as physical as Hornell is your opinion and you saying that Geneva is more physical than Hornell is again your opinion. Let the two teams play and we'll see if Bath's "Smashmouth" Football is over blown. Bath couldn't pick who they played in Sectionals but I'll tell you what they did do they shut them both out, who else did that?

[dfisch80]

The Talk is nice but you should probably let "Actions Speak louder than words" you saying that Bath isn't as physical as Hornell is your opinion and you saying that Geneva is more physical than Hornell is again your opinion. Let the two teams play and we'll see if Bath's "Smashmouth" Football is over blown. Bath couldn't pick who they played in Sectionals but I'll tell you what they did do they shut them both out, who else did that?

...can I get a bell?? ding, ding!!

[Section5sportsguy]

Any given day any team can beat anybody. I am going to pick Geneva though, because I believe that if both teams played at their best then Geneva would win.

[lbcoach45]

...can I get a bell?? ding, ding!!

Your answer please?


As for comparing teams (not directed towards you dfisch), Bath beat Waterlloo by a wider margin than Geneva, very close but still wider. That must mean Bath is as good or better than Geneva since we are comparing who beat who from the season. How about Whitman's as good as Geneva since they both beat ER by the same margin? That right there should prove my point that comparing scores is irrelevant at this point. Bath is a good team that is very good at what they do on offense and defense. Their line is very strong and they get after it for 48 minutes. I think Geneva wins this game and I am hoping they do (FL thing still), but I don't think it's an easy win for them. Wish I could go to the game because I think it's gonna be a fight no matter what the scoreboard says at the end. Good luck to both teams, hope the winner brings home a state title.

[dfisch80]

Any score yet??

[lbcoach45]

http://www.hitsandfavorites.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.network1sports.com/stations/wvin.php

You can listen here, Bath 21 Geneva 12

[lbcoach45]

21-20 Bath at the half. Questionable call on a TD pass for Geneva, announcers said the Geneva player dropped the pass after contact. Doesn't matter now, Geneva was up 12-0, Bath scored 21 straight, Geneva scored with under ten seconds in the half for the current score. Sounds like a good game.

[dfisch80]

Congrats Geneva!

[BathRamsFan]

Geneva is head and shoulders above Bath. Bath is way overrated, beating Waterloo and Whitman, what a cake walk! Hornell blasted them and Geneva was clearly better than Hornell. The smashmouth image of Bath is wayyyyy overblown. They aren't as physical as Hornell, and that was the difference in the 35-14 whipping, and Geneva is more physical than Hornell.
Geneva 31-7.

HEAD AND SHOULDERS HUH?? Hope you were able to see that football game today. Still think Bath's version of smashmouth football isn't the real deal?? Bath had Geneva on the ropes, the only turnover of the day and a huge 3rd down conversion for the Panthers proved costly. Not to mention the questionable TD call at the end of the half. WHAT A FOOTBALL GAME!!That is what high school sports is all about. Clean game, great sportsmanship on both sides ( BATH FANS I AM SOOOO PROUD OF YOU FOR NOT BOOING GENE MASTIN THIS YEAR!!) Too Our Rams...we'll get em next year, you are loaded with so much talent coming back. work HARD in the weight room and use today as motivation. YOU TOOK THE DEFENDING STATE CHAMPS TO THE WIRE! No take em over it! To the Seniors, it has been a pleasure to see you right the ship and to the underclassmen...next year is your turn to bring the "ship home! GO RAMS!!!!

[VFan05]

Great game. 25 for Bath was an animal. Great crowds from both Bath and Geneva made an awesome atmosphere for a high school games. Bath has nothing to be ashamed about. They really showed up to play and that is a credit to the players and the coaches for getting them prepared. We could possibly see a rematch as Geneva returns 17 starters. One thing I didn't expect to see at that game was Dave Zapata leading a G-E-N-E-V-A cheer in front of the Geneva fans.

[BathRamsFan]

TRUE! Class B should be fun next year. Geneva, Bath, and ER/GAN, should all be fantastic. Bath has most everybody coming back (except #25) you are right,the atmosphere was fantastic today. Zapata leading a Geneva cheer...FIGURES!! lol I'm surpirsed he can spell GENEVA. lol Just remember Mr.Z.... YOU WERE IN THE STANDS, Bath was PLAYING FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, and performing MUCH better than your Raiders did the week before! Good Luck Panthers in the states! GO RAMS!

[VFan05]

TRUE! Class B should be fun next year. Geneva, Bath, and ER/GAN, should all be fantastic. Bath has most everybody coming back (except #25) you are right,the atmosphere was fantastic today. Zapata leading a Geneva cheer...FIGURES!! lol I'm surpirsed he can spell GENEVA. lol Just remember Mr.Z.... YOU WERE IN THE STANDS, Bath was PLAYING FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, and performing MUCH better than your Raiders did the week before! Good Luck Panthers in the states! GO RAMS!


Actually, I think David has above a 90 average in school and is set to graduate early. He is a very intelligent young man. And if any Bath fans are still questioning the TD pass Geneva got at the end of the 1st half, channel 8 had the perfect angle and you can clearly see Geneva's WR get over the line and that the ground caused the ball to pop out.

[Footballfan65]

we wont discuss Zapata and his activities here...


As for the "catch" if thats what you wanna call it. If you were at the game you not only saw him not maintain possession on the play, but on that huge big screen it clearly showed the ground had nothing to do with the ball coming lose. Definately was a good game, that fumble on the first drive of the 2nd half was huge for Geneva. Anyone have the stats for the game? I was surprised Allen got MVP for the game, thought it should have been Martin. Allen didnt seem to do much today but without that QB Geneva doesnt even come close. Good luck to Geneva in the playoffs and one hell of a season rams!


oh yeah on a side note, CA fans were ridiculously rude towards the end of the game. The game wasnt even over yet and they were bothering Bath fans about their seats and trying to save them, asking Bath fans while the game was still going and during the awards ceremony. Definately thought that was very rude of them

[VFan05]

we wont discuss Zapata and his activities here...


As for the "catch" if thats what you wanna call it. If you were at the game you not only saw him not maintain possession on the play, but on that huge big screen it clearly showed the ground had nothing to do with the ball coming lose. Definately was a good game, that fumble on the first drive of the 2nd half was huge for Geneva. Anyone have the stats for the game? I was surprised Allen got MVP for the game, thought it should have been Martin. Allen didnt seem to do much today but without that QB Geneva doesnt even come close. Good luck to Geneva in the playoffs and one hell of a season rams!


oh yeah on a side note, CA fans were ridiculously rude towards the end of the game. The game wasnt even over yet and they were bothering Bath fans about their seats and trying to save them, asking Bath fans while the game was still going and during the awards ceremony. Definately thought that was very rude of them


First, check 13wham.com and watch the game clips and you will clearly see that not only did the Geneva WR have possession, he caught the ball in the end zone, turned and extened the ball, and the ground caused it to come out. Second, if you want stats for the game head to sectionv.org/football. There should be a link to the game stats next to the score. And it wasn't just Zapata there, it seemed as if the entire Hornell football team was there cheering.

Please, check that highlight of the catch. Once you do you will realize it was the right call.

[BATHFAN]

Let me start first start off with how proud I am of all the Bath players. It would have been so easy for them to just have given up after the loss to Hornell but used the loss as a learning experience and got better the next few games and gave Geneva everything that they could handle yesterday. Learn from this experience and use it as motivation in the weightroom as you get prepared for a great 2008 season. Secondly to the fans that could be there, loved the energy and support you showed our boys out there.
As far as the game goes it was a great game and I have never been big on could of's and should of's. We lost to a better team today, I think if that game were played 10 teams Bath wins 5 and Geneva wins 5 it was that closely contested, and either team would have represented Section V admirably. As far as Zapata and the Hornell players that were leading the Geneva cheers I can't say that I am surprised and I know that will never makeup for the fact that you were sitting in the bleachers as our boys were out there playing for the championship. I certainly think we got the better end of the bargain.

[rockandroll34]

Great game. 25 for Bath was an animal. Great crowds from both Bath and Geneva made an awesome atmosphere for a high school games. Bath has nothing to be ashamed about. They really showed up to play and that is a credit to the players and the coaches for getting them prepared. We could possibly see a rematch as Geneva returns 17 starters. One thing I didn't expect to see at that game was Dave Zapata leading a G-E-N-E-V-A cheer in front of the Geneva fans.

Did that really happen???
If so he should be ashamed of himself.

[BathRamsFan]

Saw highlights last night, was definately a TD, from our angle yesterday it was tough to see, but definately the right call. I agree that Martin deserved the MOP yesterday. GO RAMS!!

[Brumski75]

Saw highlights last night, was definately a TD, from our angle yesterday it was tough to see, but definately the right call. I agree that Martin deserved the MOP yesterday. GO RAMS!!

Martin's uncle here and he did play pretty well yesterday and very well could've been MVP. But I believe the right choice was made because of the intangables Allen brings to this team. His leadership without a doubt, his heart and love for the game and the threat of him in the backfield gives my nephew the the opprotunity to open things up. What an afternoon for high school footbal yesterday was, one I and many others will always remember.

Bath you did your school proud!!! Don't live in "what ifs", move forward and we'll see you next year.

[VFan05]

This picture from the D&C should put anymore controversy over the TD catch at the end of the half to rest.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A2&Date=20071103&Category=SPORTS080501&ArtNo=1103007&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=5

[AuntieM]

TRUE! Class B should be fun next year. Geneva, Bath, and ER/GAN, should all be fantastic. Bath has most everybody coming back (except #25) you are right,the atmosphere was fantastic today. Zapata leading a Geneva cheer...FIGURES!! lol I'm surpirsed he can spell GENEVA. lol Just remember Mr.Z.... YOU WERE IN THE STANDS, Bath was PLAYING FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP, and performing MUCH better than your Raiders did the week before! Good Luck Panthers in the states! GO RAMS!

Surprised you can spell. (Ironic, don't you think?)
I don't understand why cheering for a team is so bad. The Hornell season was over. They have every right to sit wherever they want and cheer for any team they want. As long as they aren't heckling the other team, there is absolutely nothing to be ashamed about. From what I hear, it was a very positive atmosphere. I am a bit baffled why "cheering" has been brought up as a negative.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

I agree you can cheer for whoever you want. I mean Bath and Hornell are rivals. They dont like each other. Even though last year people from Bath were run down for cheering for Geneva. But I guess thats water under the bridge. So as the old saying goes" IF YA CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM" covers this since Zapatta could only beat em 1 outta the 3 times he played em. So good to see he could forgive the whippings he took against em and could cheer em on.

[AuntieM]

I agree you can cheer for whoever you want. I mean Bath and Hornell are rivals. They dont like each other. Even though last year people from Bath were run down for cheering for Geneva. But I guess thats water under the bridge. So as the old saying goes" IF YA CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM" covers this since Zapatta could only beat em 1 outta the 3 times he played em. So good to see he could forgive the whippings he took against em and could cheer em on.

Thank you. With all due respect, it is not just Zapata. He is just one kid. The entire Hornell football team deserves credit for their wins and losses. It is important for all teammates to feel a part of every game. I know Zapata has always given the entire team credit despite the publicity he gets. I am impressed with any team that can hold their heads up after a season and know that for a season (and more) they were part of a unique family. As spectators, we really need to try to give positive support and refrain from slandering a young person for the sake of rivalry.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Could you show me slander? Everything I stated was a fact.I'm sorry except for the whipping part...that was my opinion. I sould have said after they were beat insted of whipped. MY MISTAKE

[AuntieM]

Could you show me slander? Everything I stated was a fact.I'm sorry except for the whipping part...that was my opinion. I sould have said after they were beat insted of whipped. MY MISTAKE

I am so sorry. I didn't mean you. I meant slander in regards to these forums, in general. The only part that I meant in response to your quote was referring to Hornell as a team and not just Zapata. I respected your comment back, honestly. (It is too bad that the "tone" of our notes on these is often misinterpreted.) My intent is just to be "positive". Have a great day. Enjoy your football.

[rockandroll34]

I agree you can cheer for whoever you want. I mean Bath and Hornell are rivals. They dont like each other. Even though last year people from Bath were run down for cheering for Geneva. But I guess thats water under the bridge. So as the old saying goes" IF YA CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM" covers this since Zapatta could only beat em 1 outta the 3 times he played em. So good to see he could forgive the whippings he took against em and could cheer em on.

Well done.
Zapata and Hornell should be better than that.

[VFan05]

Well done.
Zapata and Hornell should be better than that.

Better than what? It's not like they went into the Bath stands and taunted the parents and players. The Hornell crowd that was there were clean with their cheers and it was all in good fun. I know Bath fans don't like it, but I don't think it was bad sportsmanship to cheer for Geneva.

[BathRamsFan]

you are completely right, Hornell has the right to root for whomever they wish. Guess I figured they would want to see another team from the same league win the championship, but they couldn't look beyond the rivalry either I guess. I wanted to see them do well when they went to the state Semifinals both years and I will be rooting for Geneva to go all the way again this year, gotta root for Sec V in the states. Good Luck Pathers, GO RAMS!!

[Double two]

I don't think the Hornell kids did anything to disrespect Bath. Their cheering was on the Geneva side of the field and not in the middle of the Bath fans. I wouldn't think the Bath people could have even noticed what they were doing since it is all the way across the field. One thing that I do know is that Hornell has a ton of respect for Geneva. They have been beaten by them pretty soundly the last two years and from what I have heard, the Geneva players, coaches and fans have been very respectful of Hornell. They could have rubbed the wins in Hornells faces but instead acted with class. I think the Hornell kids and coaches appreciate that and came to the game to show their support. Nothing disrespectful to Bath but more a sign of extreme respect for Geneva. Good luck to the Panthers.

[rockandroll34]

I don't think the Hornell kids did anything to disrespect Bath. Their cheering was on the Geneva side of the field and not in the middle of the Bath fans. I wouldn't think the Bath people could have even noticed what they were doing since it is all the way across the field. One thing that I do know is that Hornell has a ton of respect for Geneva. They have been beaten by them pretty soundly the last two years and from what I have heard, the Geneva players, coaches and fans have been very respectful of Hornell. They could have rubbed the wins in Hornells faces but instead acted with class. I think the Hornell kids and coaches appreciate that and came to the game to show their support. Nothing disrespectful to Bath but more a sign of extreme respect for Geneva. Good luck to the Panthers.

That's a bunch of crap.
How classy would it have been if Hornell's players were rooting for Bath??? Now that would have been very classy, but too much for Hornell I guess.
You don't show support for a team in another league to beat your own county team, especially in the sectional finals. Hornell has no connection to Geneva whatsover with the exception of getting their butts kicked the past two years by them.
Those Red Raider players have a lot of growing up to do.
Bath, and the LCAA, deserved better!!!!

[VFan05]

That's a bunch of crap.
How classy would it have been if Hornell's players were rooting for Bath??? Now that would have been very classy, but too much for Hornell I guess.
You don't show support for a team in another league to beat your own county team, especially in the sectional finals. Hornell has no connection to Geneva whatsover with the exception of getting their butts kicked the past two years by them.
Those Red Raider players have a lot of growing up to do.
Bath, and the LCAA, deserved better!!!!


Let me ask you this...do you honestly think, had Bath not made it to the finals and Hornell had, that the Bath players would have gone and cheered on Hornell? Do you think Ohio State roots for Michigan after they play eachother. Why in your mind is Hornell obligated to cheer on a team in their league? Hornell and Bath do not like eachother and that's not going to change anytime soon.

[LoriL30]

I was at the Hornell vs Geneva game and saw how those Bath fans acted. I think this was totally disrespectful and for Bath to think Hornell would be at that game to cheer them on is crazy!!! Why would they?? If Bath can not respect and cheer for Hornell, as you say the teams should be for eachother, then why does Hornell have to. They obviously have a lot of resect for Geneva and feel they are a good, deserving team (not that Bath was not) and that is who they choose to support. Is your favorite NFL team from NY state?? Maybe it is but I know a lot of people who cheer for out of state teams, who cares. Everyone has a right to their favorites!

[BATHFAN]

I was at the Hornell vs Geneva game and saw how those Bath fans acted. I think this was totally disrespectful and for Bath to think Hornell would be at that game to cheer them on is crazy!!! Why would they?? If Bath can not respect and cheer for Hornell, as you say the teams should be for eachother, then why does Hornell have to. They obviously have a lot of resect for Geneva and feel they are a good, deserving team (not that Bath was not) and that is who they choose to support. Is your favorite NFL team from NY state?? Maybe it is but I know a lot of people who cheer for out of state teams, who cares. Everyone has a right to their favorites!

I don't disagree that the Hornell players and fans should be able to cheer for whomever they want. I personally would like to see the bitterness between these 2 teams go away when they are not playing each other. I do think that we should be sticking together to support our league regardless of who has the better team in any particular year. However to think that some Hornell people were rooting for Geneva out of respect is just plain naive. Those Hornell people were not rooting for Geneva to win they were rooting for Bath to lose so that they could justify their loss to Geneva. Just to clarify I know there were people from Hornell who were cheering for Bath to win that game, so lets not paint the picture that everyone from Hornell was over there on that Geneva sideline on Saturday.

[rockandroll34]

I was at the Hornell vs Geneva game and saw how those Bath fans acted. I think this was totally disrespectful and for Bath to think Hornell would be at that game to cheer them on is crazy!!! Why would they?? If Bath can not respect and cheer for Hornell, as you say the teams should be for eachother, then why does Hornell have to. They obviously have a lot of resect for Geneva and feel they are a good, deserving team (not that Bath was not) and that is who they choose to support. Is your favorite NFL team from NY state?? Maybe it is but I know a lot of people who cheer for out of state teams, who cares. Everyone has a right to their favorites!

To compare NFL teams, to high school teams, in terms of cheering, and winning, is off base.
The bottom line — Hornell players weren't rooting for Geneva out of some great respect they have for them, they were rooting against Bath because of their (jealousy) and hatred towards them.

I wasn't asking Zapata to wear a Bath uniform, but would it be too much to ask of him NOT to lead the G-E-N-E-V-A cheers from the other side.
If you don't have anything nice to say, just keep quiet.
Good luck in D-III football David, we'll be rooting for you.

[AuntieM]

Take your own advice Rock and Rolll. You have been one of the most negative people on this thread. Your comments are offensive.

Enough is enough on this topic. Some people just choose to look for something to argue about, no matter how diplomatic others are trying to be.


Bottom line: Over generalizing how Bath fans or Hornell fans behave is not the total picture. There are great people on both sides. We all need to remember that High School football is just that. These kids put their heart and soul into their games. We all need to take a break from putting each other down. We all have our perceptions, but some things are better left unsaid. Please, have a great day. Enjoy your freedom.

[rockandroll34]

Take your own advice Rock and Rolll. You have been one of the most negative people on this thread. Your comments are offensive.

Enough is enough on this topic. Some people just choose to look for something to argue about, no matter how diplomatic others are trying to be.


Bottom line: Over generalizing how Bath fans or Hornell fans behave is not the total picture. There are great people on both sides. We all need to remember that High School football is just that. These kids put their heart and soul into their games. We all need to take a break from putting each other down. We all have our perceptions, but some things are better left unsaid. Please, have a great day. Enjoy your freedom.


Who said there isn't great people on both sides?
Who said these kids don't put their heart and soul into football?

If you thinks its OK for Hornell's top running back to lead the cheer parade against Bath, then something's wrong with your idea of sportsmanship.
It's obvious you have Hornell ties.

[RedRaiderFan]

Well done.
Zapata and Hornell should be better than that.

Not sure how much of a Bathfan you are, but can you tell me were Coach caroll and his posse (wife, two sons, many playes, other coaches, about four of them) sat last year during the finals of the Geneva and Hornell Game? Hint they were sitting on the same side that these same Hornell players were sitting this year. That would be Geneva's side, and no one from Hornell complained last year about it. You guys just have to always bitch about something don't you! If it was ok for the Bath head coach, why is it not ok for the Hornell players?

Respect, is something that is earned not demanded. Hornell players and fans have respect for the Geneva teams, because although they have ended our season the last two years, they were respectful on the field (no trash talking, no cheap shots). They also went on to win states, this year still pending. It was clean hard hitting football. They also remembered the last "B" school to beat them was Hornell, and there was no coaches (posse) on the sidelines acting like bafoons when ever Hornell scored.

I am proud that the Hornell players that showed up at the finals cheered for a team that beat them. If Leroy was playing that day instead of the night before, they would cheer for them also. That takes courage, I am sure they would rather have been out on the field beating the rams again for the Section V title to go with thier LCAA Division 1 title (6 and counting, including the last 5 years straight)

Go Big Red!!!!

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Well since you are a Hornell fan I guess you have selective memory. I vividly remember Hornell fans goin on syracuse.com last year and makin VERY derogatory statements about Coach Carroll and his family for sitting on the geneva side. And yes they were on the Geneva side BUT they sat in the very top row of the stadium and werent leading any cheers.

When were Bath kids disrespctful toward Geneva? That game was a great game hard hitting football game. There were no personal fouls or unsportsmanlike calls. When were the coachs and posse acting like bafoons.Please say your talkin about the one questionable call. In a game of that magnatude a call like that should be heavily contested.

The thing I love is how SOME people from Hornell feel the need to take jabs at Coach Carroll and the Bath program every chance they get. Why is that?I have NEVER heard Coach Carroll bad mouth Hornell or its players. If you can show me proof of it please do. But I know you cant. Yet SOME hornell fans feel the need to rip on them every chance they get. Your right Hornell did win the LCAA1 title.BUT they didnt EARN the right to play for a sectional title now come back with a snappy comment about who Bath beat to get there, BUT guess what thats who they had to beat. And if ya really wanna compare stuff compare the fact that the week before Hornell was done at halftime and saturday that game was on the line till the buzzer sounded.

[VFan05]

"When were Bath kids disrespctful toward Geneva? That game was a great game hard hitting football game. There were no personal fouls or unsportsmanlike calls. When were the coachs and posse acting like bafoons.Please say your talkin about the one questionable call. In a game of that magnatude a call like that should be heavily contested."

You couldn't be more wrong. In a game of that magnitude, a coach can not lose his cool over one call. A coach needs to maintain his focus and make sure his players stay focused as well. The way Bath's coaches acted in response to the play you refer to was absolutely embarassing, espically given the fact it CLEARLY was a catch. The player caught the ball in the end zone with control and turned and extended the ball which came out upon hitting the ground. If you still want to argue that it was a questionable call, please look at this picture from the D&C, or check the highlights on 13wham.com.


http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A2&Date=20071103&Category=SPORTS080501&ArtNo=1103007&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=5

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Are you a Geneva fan? I am asking a qestion. To say that was CLEARLY a catch you must be. That may have been a catch I havent watched it again and dont care to.It doesnt matter NOW. And as far as loosing his cool over ONE call if that call goes the other way and nothing else changes Bath is playing in regionals. I am not making excuses, Bath had many chances and didnt convert, but for people to bash a Coach who is passionette about winning and contests a call is BS.Can you and the other "experts "sit there as computer chair coaches and tell me that if the roles were reversed that Geneva fans and Coaches wouldnt have disputed that call?

[VFan05]

Yes, I am a Geneva fan. My brother plays QB for Geneva, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the Bath coaches made fools of themselves by disputing that catch for as long as they did.

I can't speak for every Geneva fan at that game, so I can't give your role reversal question an answer. The fact that you haven't seen a replay and don't care to do so just goes to show your blind support for the Bath program, which is fine.

I'm sure the fact that the ball came out at the end of that play is the reason you and the rest of the Bath sideline and stands erupted in protest. But remember, the ground can't cause a fumble, espically when the player had already crossed the goal line with possession of the ball. You fail to see this, though, because you refuse to watch a replay or look at a picture that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it CLEARLY was a catch.

I respect what Wayne Carroll has done at Bath turning a team around that was awful a few seasons ago and bringing them back into the forefront of Class B football. But, that does not make him infallible. Disputing a call you disagree with is one thing, but Carroll and the rest of his staff went way overboard, to the point that Dick Cerone had to tell him to knock it off and get to his locker room. For that, he deserves the criticism he is recieving.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Made fools of themselves....Well thats your opinion and you can have it. Its not blind faith in Bath, the game is over the touchdown was counted,why would I wanna see that play? I said its contested that was saturday, I' never said I still dont think it was a catch I just have no reason to watch it.

I think u are ASSUMING why the BATH stands erupted.The replay on the jumbo tron looked like it wasnt a catch. So remember what happens when you assume.

As far as Dick Cerone and Coach Carroll I didnt see that, and what was ACTUALLY said the only people that know what was said were the two that were there.

[rockandroll34]

Not sure how much of a Bathfan you are, but can you tell me were Coach caroll and his posse (wife, two sons, many playes, other coaches, about four of them) sat last year during the finals of the Geneva and Hornell Game? Hint they were sitting on the same side that these same Hornell players were sitting this year. That would be Geneva's side, and no one from Hornell complained last year about it. You guys just have to always bitch about something don't you! If it was ok for the Bath head coach, why is it not ok for the Hornell players?

Respect, is something that is earned not demanded. Hornell players and fans have respect for the Geneva teams, because although they have ended our season the last two years, they were respectful on the field (no trash talking, no cheap shots). They also went on to win states, this year still pending. It was clean hard hitting football. They also remembered the last "B" school to beat them was Hornell, and there was no coaches (posse) on the sidelines acting like bafoons when ever Hornell scored.

I am proud that the Hornell players that showed up at the finals cheered for a team that beat them. If Leroy was playing that day instead of the night before, they would cheer for them also. That takes courage, I am sure they would rather have been out on the field beating the rams again for the Section V title to go with thier LCAA Division 1 title (6 and counting, including the last 5 years straight)

Go Big Red!!!!



Two wrongs don't make a right my friend.
Just because certain Bath people acted inappropriately, doesn't mean its OK to do it yourself.

[rockandroll34]

Yes, I am a Geneva fan. My brother plays QB for Geneva, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the Bath coaches made fools of themselves by disputing that catch for as long as they did.

I can't speak for every Geneva fan at that game, so I can't give your role reversal question an answer. The fact that you haven't seen a replay and don't care to do so just goes to show your blind support for the Bath program, which is fine.

I'm sure the fact that the ball came out at the end of that play is the reason you and the rest of the Bath sideline and stands erupted in protest. But remember, the ground can't cause a fumble, espically when the player had already crossed the goal line with possession of the ball. You fail to see this, though, because you refuse to watch a replay or look at a picture that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it CLEARLY was a catch.

I respect what Wayne Carroll has done at Bath turning a team around that was awful a few seasons ago and bringing them back into the forefront of Class B football. But, that does not make him infallible. Disputing a call you disagree with is one thing, but Carroll and the rest of his staff went way overboard, to the point that Dick Cerone had to tell him to knock it off and get to his locker room. For that, he deserves the criticism he is recieving.



If that call would have went against Geneva, you could be certain that Whitcomb and his staff would have went nuts too.
The bottom line is after the game Bath coaches and their players acted respectfully, more so than Hornell players did during the game.

[VFan05]

If that call would have went against Geneva, you could bett your ass that Whitcomb and his staff would have went nuts too.
The bottom line is after the game Bath coaches and their players acted respectfully, more so than Hornell players did during the game.

No, they wouldn't have. First of all, the call was not questionable because it CLEARLY was a catch. Second of all, at the end of the game on 4th and 2 Geneva got what looked like a bad spot that gave Bath a chance to tie the game or take the lead. Did you see Whitcomb or any of his staff throw a temper tantrum the way Bath's coaches did? Nope. The fact that the Bath coaches and players acted respectfully after the game is irrelevant and doesn't take away the fact that they embarassed themselves with the way they handled themselves at the end of the first half. And the Hornell players in no way, shape, or form disrespected Bath by cheering for Geneva. Why does that bother you so much?

[rockandroll34]

No, they wouldn't have. First of all, the call was not questionable because it CLEARLY was a catch. Second of all, at the end of the game on 4th and 2 Geneva got what looked like a bad spot that gave Bath a chance to tie the game or take the lead. Did you see Whitcomb or any of his staff throw a temper tantrum the way Bath's coaches did? Nope. The fact that the Bath coaches and players acted respectfully after the game is irrelevant and doesn't take away the fact that they embarassed themselves with the way they handled themselves at the end of the first half. And the Hornell players in no way, shape, or form disrespected Bath by cheering for Geneva. Why does that bother you so much?

Are you serious??
Whitcomb and his staff screamed at the officials several times.
I'm not sure what game you were watching — maybe you went to the Section 6 finals instead.

Here's the other bottom line — Geneva was lucky to get the win, and they have NO shot to win it all this year — that I guarantee.
So you and the Hornell players can sit in the stands this week at PAETEC and spell out WE-GOT-WHIPPED!

[RedRaiderFan]

Well since you are a Hornell fan I guess you have selective memory. I vividly remember Hornell fans goin on syracuse.com last year and makin VERY derogatory statements about Coach Carroll and his family for sitting on the geneva side. And yes they were on the Geneva side BUT they sat in the very top row of the stadium and werent leading any cheers.

When were Bath kids disrespctful toward Geneva? That game was a great game hard hitting football game. There were no personal fouls or unsportsmanlike calls. When were the coachs and posse acting like bafoons.Please say your talkin about the one questionable call. In a game of that magnatude a call like that should be heavily contested.

The thing I love is how SOME people from Hornell feel the need to take jabs at Coach Carroll and the Bath program every chance they get. Why is that?I have NEVER heard Coach Carroll bad mouth Hornell or its players. If you can show me proof of it please do. But I know you cant. Yet SOME hornell fans feel the need to rip on them every chance they get. Your right Hornell did win the LCAA1 title.BUT they didnt EARN the right to play for a sectional title now come back with a snappy comment about who Bath beat to get there, BUT guess what thats who they had to beat. And if ya really wanna compare stuff compare the fact that the week before Hornell was done at halftime and saturday that game was on the line till the buzzer sounded.

Now I know the bath faithful will say "bath had a bad game", or "that was early in the season when it did not matter". All the bath talk prior to that bath homecoming game, along with most of the predictions on the radio shows and papers all thought bath would roll over hornell. Your predictions i think were bath by 3 touchdowns, not real sure on that, but any how bath got beat by a hornell team period. not even a close game in any (sane) persons mind. Is it possible that geneva had a bad game against bath? Or maybe Hornell had a bad game against Geneva? You can only compare one thing and that is head to head battles and as I said that would be Hornell beating bath five straight years, to a score of 166 to 34!

Also the comment about respect was directed torwards the bath - hornell game. How many unsportsman fouls were there in that game? How many were on Hornell?

[DAMAGE INC 68]

I will type slow for ya cause apparently you are having some trouble understanding. This topic is about the BATH - GENEVA game. It has nothing to do with Hornell. I never knew that Hornell kids were cheering for Geneva....personally I dont care who they cheer for. And are ya asking if maybe Hornell had two bad games in a row against Geneva cause they got blown out the last two times they have played. AND FOR THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BATH -HORNELL GAME GET OVER IT, IT WAS WEEKS AGO. Look at the games since that game and tell me who played better footbal. of course your gonna say" Hornell played tougher teams" to which I say Bath did what the could do, the whipped everybody left and made it to the finals.

[NEGFAIL]

Are you serious??
Whitcomb and his staff screamed at the officials several times.
I'm not sure what game you were watching — maybe you went to the Section 6 finals instead.

Here's the other bottom line — Geneva was lucky to get the win, and they have NO shot to win it all this year — that I guarantee.
So you and the Hornell players can sit in the stands this week at PAETEC and spell out WE-GOT-WHIPPED!

The real bottom line is that Geneva DOES have a shot because they are still playing. Bath does not because they are DONE. Saying that Geneva was "lucky" is obviously just your silly opinion. My opinion is that Bath was fortunate that Geneva made the mistakes they did to enable them to keep the game close. The better team won - no question about it.

[lbcoach45]

AND FOR THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BATH -HORNELL GAME GET OVER IT, IT WAS WEEKS AGO. Look at the games since that game and tell me who played better footbal. of course your gonna say" Hornell played tougher teams" to which I say Bath did what the could do, the whipped everybody left and made it to the finals.

I'm just curious, does making to the finals make the loss to Hornell OK? I'm just reading a lot of posts that say Bath made it, but the only fact that is known about Hornell and Bath is that Hornell beat Bath. Hornell lost to two sectional champions, Bath lost to one and Hornell.

And lets be perfectly honest, Hornell did play a tougher schedule at the end than Bath. Who did Bath beat all year that was really that good? Whitman had a nice year with one big win, but everyone knew coming into that game Whitman had to play perfect to have a shot and even then it would have to be a high scoring game. Cal Mum lost three in a row to end their season and Waterloo wasn't very good.

Rockandroll, how was Geneva lucky? They do have a shot and considering you are crying about people rooting against Bath, it's hypocritical for you to be saying that. According to you, you should be rooting for Geneva since they are a sectionV team, or does that only apply to leagues? Maybe you are the one that has some growing up to do.

[VFan05]

Are you serious??
Whitcomb and his staff screamed at the officials several times.
I'm not sure what game you were watching — maybe you went to the Section 6 finals instead.

Here's the other bottom line — Geneva was lucky to get the win, and they have NO shot to win it all this year — that I guarantee.
So you and the Hornell players can sit in the stands this week at PAETEC and spell out WE-GOT-WHIPPED!


Screamed at the officials. Possibly, there were some calls disputed as there are in every game. But did they call a time out in order to continue to scream at the officals, as well as follow them off the field at halftime to the point the chairman of Section V had to put him in his place? No, Geneva's coaches realize the most important thing to do in a championship game is to keep your focus.

Rest assured, I was at the Section V final saturday...watching my brothers team complete a threepeat. And this week in the stands Geneva will still be playing, and regardless of the outcome of that game, Bath will not.

I'm just glad our friends from Hornell have the class and dignity to support their fellow Class B team in a positive way that creates a great atmosphere for a High School game that everyone can enjoy.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

This topic is getting to be like trying to feed a dead horse. YES Hornell beat Bath we all know that. BUT Bath beat every team they played after that, except geneva and IF ( yes big if) they make a couple plays beat geneva. What else could they have done. They couldnt write section v and say look the teams we gotta play arent tough enough PLEASE change our schedule. They took on every team that came. Does the fact Bath made it to the finals make it ok they lost to Hornell? NO and no one said it did. All that was said was Bath made it and Hornell didnt. Thats not a opinion thats a fact. We also discussed they schedules, There were two different teams that Bath and Hornell played. Leroy and Letchworth to Canisteo and Cal mum. But again all Bath could do was play there schedule. Lets also look at the week after Hornell played Bath they got beat by Leroy, The week after Cal MUM played Bath they lost to Letchworth. Who did Hornell beat that was really good? If ya listen to the Bath detractors Bath wasnt that good...so who did they beat? What mistakes did Geneva make that kept Bath in the game? Please give me a couple of examples. I saw Bath drive up and down the field didnt see many Geneva mistakes. Why did Coach Whitcomb tell Coach Carroll he had a great team after the game. Why did the Geneva defensive cordinator tell his kids all week that the real Bath would show up saturday.

[VFan05]

The problem is rockandroll stated that Geneva was lucky to have beaten Bath. Geneva did make mistakes in that game: the defensive linemen lined up in the wrong position almost all of the game, open receivers were missed, and awful punt coverage lead to a Bath return for a TD. It certianly wasn't Geneva's best game of the season, but it wasn't their worst either. No one from Geneva took Bath lightly leading up to this game, and no one has anything but respect for the way Bath played saturday.

[Brumski75]

I know we all are faithful to our teams and try to support them any way we can but this thread is outta hand. Hornell, Bath, ER/G, Whitman, Geneva and any other program that straps it up every fall deserves respect from their own and others. I came to this sight because of the crap thats slung on the other site and I don't mind a healthy debate, this thread has gotten foolish. Bath and Hornell you're both good programs that we just happened to beat in the sectionals, hopefully neither team felt disrespected because of that. Could either of you won on a different day? Yes, but that didn't happen so it would be nice if all of you could start another thread and let us know anything you have on Depew because we're focusing on them right now. We know its going to be a tough road to the finals this year but the kids are committed to it and should be supported for it.

Go Panthers and Section V!!!!

[dfisch80]

I know we all are faithful to our teams and try to support them any way we can but this thread is outta hand. Hornell, Bath, ER/G, Whitman, Geneva and any other program that straps it up every fall deserves respect from their own and others. I came to this sight because of the crap thats slung on the other site and I don't mind a healthy debate, this thread has gotten foolish. Bath and Hornell you're both good programs that we just happened to beat in the sectionals, hopefully neither team felt disrespected because of that. Could either of you won on a different day? Yes, but that didn't happen so it would be nice if all of you could start another thread and let us know anything you have on Depew because we're focusing on them right now. We know its going to be a tough road to the finals this year but the kids are committed to it and should be supported for it.

Go Panthers and Section V!!!!

Thank you Brum!

[DAMAGE INC 68]

AMEN BROTHER. For the most part every Geneva fan has been respectful toward Bath and Coach Carroll. As for the most part Bath fans have been toward Geneva. The thing that bothers me is the people that come on here and are negative toward Coach Carroll. There is really no need for that. It does nothing but cause bad feelings. NOTHING positive can come of it.
I have said nothing negative about Geneva and wont. They were prolly the classiest team I have seen Bath compete against. But coming on here and running down Bath and there Coach puts a negative light on that.

[VFan05]

AMEN BROTHER. For the most part every Geneva fan has been respectful toward Bath and Coach Carroll. As for the most part Bath fans have been toward Geneva. The thing that bothers me is the people that come on here and are negative toward Coach Carroll. There is really no need for that. It does nothing but cause bad feelings. NOTHING positive can come of it.
I have said nothing negative about Geneva and wont. They were prolly the classiest team I have seen Bath compete against. But coming on here and running down Bath and there Coach puts a negative light on that.


Criticizing a coach for his actions on the sidelines is not the same as running him down. I have not disrespected him in any way, shape, or form. The only thing I have done is debate with you and other Bath fans whether or not his actions were necessary.

[lbcoach45]

Does the fact Bath made it to the finals make it ok they lost to Hornell? NO and no one said it did. All that was said was Bath made it and Hornell didnt.

My question was just that, a real question. I have read a lot of posts saying Bath made it, Hornell didn't and was curious if making the final somehow made up for losing to Hornell earlier in the year. It wasn't a knock on Bath, just a question. Like I have said many times, I think Bath was a very good team and that their game with Geneva was going to be close. I haven't put down the team, or the coaches in any post and have actually complimented them several times. They are going to be a very good team once again next year and they are my pre pre-season pick for a title in class B.

[Footballfan65]

Regarding the question as to whether its more important to beat your rival or play for a sectional championship, I had this same conversation with a friend who went to corning west. He said that even though they didnt make the playoffs, beating their rival east made it worth it. I on the other hand told him that its just a nice consolation prize but being able to play for a sectional championship is the real prize you should shoot for. What does everyone else think? Would you rather beat your rival in the regular season and not make it to the sectional championships (or sectionals, in corning west's case) or lose to your rival in the regular season but make it to the sectional championship. I know it seems like an obvious answer to me but maybe some others see it differently?

[Brumski75]

Regarding the question as to whether its more important to beat your rival or play for a sectional championship, I had this same conversation with a friend who went to corning west. He said that even though they didnt make the playoffs, beating their rival east made it worth it. I on the other hand told him that its just a nice consolation prize but being able to play for a sectional championship is the real prize you should shoot for. What does everyone else think? Would you rather beat your rival in the regular season and not make it to the sectional championships (or sectionals, in corning west's case) or lose to your rival in the regular season but make it to the sectional championship. I know it seems like an obvious answer to me but maybe some others see it differently?

beating your rival has the same emotional attachment as being in the playoffs. I think that anyone that plays or has played any sport is out for the championship. I know when I was coaching that we never had a saying that went something like, "Yeah, lets shoot for number 2"... lol.

In some case where the talent just isn't there for a championship a coach and team can still be as proud by just having a winning season. Which in a way is why I'm so proud of Geneva this year, they started out as a bunch of young kids and have grown into quite a good team. They still haven't played their best game yet.... Go Panthers and Section V!!!!