Who's AGR ?

[sectionvman]

who do u think made it this year

[UNCTarheels]

Kaheem Gist-Canandaigua
David Zapata-Hornell
Averin Collier-Churchville-Chili
Jermiah Allen-Geneva
Nick Fischer-ER/Gananda
Neal Dotterer-ER/Gananda
Ian Humphery-LeRoy
Nate Scheidel-Cal-Mum

Aquinas?
Eastridge ?

[rockandroll34]

Schiedel won't make it. Bonacquisti and Whiting from Le Roy should.

[jwilson]

schidel had something like 99 tackles

[sectionvman]

justin forte-bishop kearney
preston scott-bishop kearney
wata bout them??

[UNCTarheels]

It's going to be tough for the Committee this year, a lot of great players like Beaumont from H-F-L, Forte from Kearney, Tomzak from Canandaigua, Scheidel from Cal-Mum & McCloud from Bath may get left off because of so much talent in Section V. You can't pick 5 or 6 Running Backs and with Gist, Collier, Allen, Zapata, & McCloud all deserving someone is bound to get left off. Same with QB's how many can you pick? You've got Dotterer from E-R Martin from Geneva, Finnerty from Gates-Chili, Mckenrick from Pembroke, Higgs from Kearney etc. There's just so many guys to choose from and we haven't even talked about Wide Receivers, Linemen, Defense, Special Teams players. Football is probably the hardest of the AGR teams to pick.

[CARL]

How about Mike Kaiser LB from Attica.

[BathRamsFan]

Is there a spot on the AGR for a true fullback? If there is there is none better than Brett Havens of Bath. Look at the numbers he has put up this year. Going into the Hornell game he was averaging over 8 yards a carry AS A FULL BACK....running right up the centers behind. the kid is an absoulte bulldozer. Seems like over the last 10 years or so Monroe county and Finger Lakes get preferntial treatment from the D&c (just my completely biased opinion) would be great to see more Liv County guys there.

[rockandroll34]

Usually only three or four selections go to players that live south of the Thruway, so Beaumont won't make it and neither will Havens. Beaumont's team was decent at best so that will hurt. You know Zapata is in and maybe one player from Le Roy and another to a Pembroke kid.

[overnback]

We could call it the "all not quite good enough team". How about pushing your players to get better. I know that it's a novel idea, but maybe the kids should wake-up and realize that all-GR or all-LC or all-whatever might not be good enough to make AGR. Kaiser is the only GR kid I saw all year that I think could go to any school in Section V and start. I may have missed some but I think I saw all the "name" players this year. I know somebody usually gets short changed out in the sticks but by and large most of the suburban and city kids are better and by a large margin.

[BATHFAN]

We could call it the "all not quite good enough team". How about pushing your players to get better. I know that it's a novel idea, but maybe the kids should wake-up and realize that all-GR or all-LC or all-whatever might not be good enough to make AGR. Kaiser is the only GR kid I saw all year that I think could go to any school in Section V and start. I may have missed some but I think I saw all the "name" players this year. I know somebody usually gets short changed out in the sticks but by and large most of the suburban and city kids are better and by a large margin.

Your post is one of the most idiotic that I have ever seen on any website. You obviously know nothing about the football programs south of the thruway because if you did you would certainly have another opinion of the quality of the players from that area. There is no doubt that the AGR players are biased toward the kids in Rochester regardless of who the better player is.

[rockandroll34]

We could call it the "all not quite good enough team". How about pushing your players to get better. I know that it's a novel idea, but maybe the kids should wake-up and realize that all-GR or all-LC or all-whatever might not be good enough to make AGR. Kaiser is the only GR kid I saw all year that I think could go to any school in Section V and start. I may have missed some but I think I saw all the "name" players this year. I know somebody usually gets short changed out in the sticks but by and large most of the suburban and city kids are better and by a large margin.

Idiotic is an understatement. I bet your a Rhodes Scholar too.
Livingston County and Genesee Region have over and over again produced state championship teams in plenty of sports.

[BATHFAN]

Let's not get your bib-overalls in a bunch. What I'm saying is that there is rarely an unrecognized player that is better than a all-leaguer from an AA or A school. I'm well aware that many AGR'ers have come from FL, LC, GR and other leagues. I think that people can also put blinders on and not see the big picture. They get caught up in the home town hype. That's what sports is supposed to do, bring communities together. At the same time communities should be sending our youth the message to strive to be the best that they can. Somewhere the whole thing gets twisted around and becomes a childish attack on someone or something that might be better than you are. Insecurity is a very ugly thing and you are an ugly person. Stick that in your....

You talk about seeing the bigger picture you obviously are extremely biased toward the city schools which is fine. However to suggest that the kids south of thruway need to get better if they want to make the AGR team is just ignorant. There have been kids that have made the all-state teams however conveniently get left off the AGR selection list.

[conors72]

[QUOTE=BATHFAN;6882]You talk about seeing the bigger picture you obviously are extremely biased toward the city schools which is fine. However to suggest that the kids south of thruway need to get better if they want to make the AGR team is just ignorant. There have been kids that have made the all-state teams however conveniently get left off the AGR selection list.[/QU

batavia is right on the thruway. what does that say about it?

[Section5sportsguy]

Marcus Epps from leroy deserves consideration.

[baidog]

look at some of the players that have and are porducing at the college level albeit D3 like robinson (Bath) Miller Syracuse (LR) Keeley Harmon (CM). these kids and many more can play and deserve the recognition they would play on teams at larger schools because they have the size and are good athletes

[dfisch80]

This is how a perfectly good Thread gets ruined.

Getting back to the original subject...Does anyone know what exactly is used for criteria when deciding AGR Teams? I'm pretty sure it’s a vote, but what is used in the decision making process? For 1st team, are only seniors chosen or considered, is it based on their stats? Do any records held have any role in the decision?? Last year a player got Honorable Mention with much better stats than the player that made 2nd Team.

I've always wondered how the teams are chosen, and when we ask around, no one ever really seems to know.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

The leauges are supposed to get votes to get a kid on the team. BUT unfortunately it is about 85% politics to get on that team. Its a lot like the Eddie Meath game.

[Section5sportsguy]

The way the Eddie Meath game is run is a joke. Something needs to be done to fix what could be a great event.

[DrewVT6]

There is no doubt that the AGR players are biased toward the kids in Rochester regardless of who the better player is.

The D&C's AGR team is a sales gimmick. OF COURSE they're going to pick more players from towns that buy more papers. The players will get picked in a ratio that is close to the amount of sales inside Monroe County versus Outside Monroe County.

I'd put more wait in a mixed coaches/media poll for small schools and large schools all stars.

Now back to the topic at hand...

Who SHOULD be a Section V All Star.

[sectionvman]

what about tahje johnson, quinton guase they both have 100+ tackles
and jerome lewis leads section v in defensive touchdowns

[lbcoach45]

The D&C's AGR team is a sales gimmick. OF COURSE they're going to pick more players from towns that buy more papers. The players will get picked in a ratio that is close to the amount of sales inside Monroe County versus Outside Monroe County.

I think that is about 100% correct.

Kids that I have seen this year (I am willing to bet most of them don't make it, since they are from small schools).

Havens, McCloud - Bath
Whiting, Epps - LeRoy
Scott, Gausse - BK
Dotterer, Fischer - ER
Allen, Warner - Geneva

There are more linemen, but I don't know their names off hand.

[CoachJ]

This is how a perfectly good Thread gets ruined.

Getting back to the original subject...Does anyone know what exactly is used for criteria when deciding AGR Teams? I'm pretty sure it’s a vote, but what is used in the decision making process? For 1st team, are only seniors chosen or considered, is it based on their stats? Do any records held have any role in the decision?? Last year a player got Honorable Mention with much better stats than the player that made 2nd Team.

I've always wondered how the teams are chosen, and when we ask around, no one ever really seems to know.

Every coach in the section gets a nomination form. They are suppose to nominate their players and others they have seen over the course of the year. They also list the best player on their team, best player in their league, best player they have seen, etc.

The forms go off into D&C Neverland and I am not sure what happens then. I would guess that if a name keeps appearing they give them real consideration.

[dfisch80]

Every coach in the section gets a nomination form. They are suppose to nominate their players and others they have seen over the course of the year. They also list the best player on their team, best player in their league, best player they have seen, etc.

The forms go off into D&C Neverland and I am not sure what happens then. I would guess that if a name keeps appearing they give them real consideration.

LoL...Thanks, I appreciate it.

[hardcorefan]

why is there never Gr schools in there like okafield, elba, pembroke .. etc
there are some good players from these schools that could make it

[xxlvbball]

why is there never Gr schools in there like okafield, elba, pembroke .. etc
there are some good players from these schools that could make it

i agree that there are kids from the gr that couldmake it, the problem is competition and exposure. The gr is one tough league, but the school size doesnt even compare to the A's that border the city, so it is tough to compare their accomplishments against such small schools. The gr and livingston styles, too...the rough and tumble, grind it out, power football mentality, leaves a lot to be desired as far as gauty statistics, and kids at certain positions dont get opportunities to star. In my opinion, there are several kids who, if they were placed in some city/suburbian programs, could certainly make agr...

[hardcorefan]

i agree that there are kids from the gr that couldmake it, the problem is competition and exposure. The gr is one tough league, but the school size doesnt even compare to the A's that border the city, so it is tough to compare their accomplishments against such small schools. The gr and livingston styles, too...the rough and tumble, grind it out, power football mentality, leaves a lot to be desired as far as gauty statistics, and kids at certain positions dont get opportunities to star. In my opinion, there are several kids who, if they were placed in some city/suburbian programs, could certainly make agr...

like who j/w

[xxlvbball]

First off, i believe a case can be made for Mike Mckenrick of Pembroke to be on it this year. Whether or not he makes it coming from the gr, i think he possesses the athletic ability to make it on a rochester school's roster, maybe even at halfback or db. Mike Kaiser of Attica is a physical specimen, and a defensive stud. He could play linebacker at any one of those schools and do well. Those two are absolute yesses. Also, francis and bo from notre dame could be able to as well. Francis is a burner, compared to anyone, the kid can fly. He has great moves in the open field, and is great at playing the ball in the air. Bochicchio has a big arm, and size, and in a different system could produce at large. Williams and the center from oa could dominate on any line. Again, these are purely hypotheticals. None of these kids, except mckenrick and maybe kaiser, should make it based on this years production.

[xxlvbball]

one more too.. ian woodworth of elba... as long as he kept good off the field, could star on it at LB

[bathtime]

There's no reason Andre McCloud shouldn't be on there (1,402 yards, 21 TD's), someone from Churchville-Chili's offensive line, and Churchville-Chili kicker Matt Szczupakowski.

I'm not sure of the exact number of people selected for All Greater Rochester, but you can count on offensive and defenive lineman being on that list, even though we all want running backs.

Kaheem Gist is without a doubt your Player of the Year award winner, despite Zapata's records.

I believe McCloud finished with a little over 1600 but i know he was in the 1500's and he finished with 30 TD's. I would have to say that he has a strong case.

[TurnTwo]

one more too.. ian woodworth of elba... as long as he kept good off the field, could star on it at LB

How do you figure?

[xxlvbball]

i just thought he had the size and athletic ability that may give him an outside shot to succeed at a bigger program, maybe not...the other ones could for sure though