Elba /byron Bergen Combining In Football

[xxxfootballxxx]

Elba thought they had trouble this year combine with byron bergen that puts you in the B's good luck with Geneva, attica, bath, hornell,batavia, You think barker was tough?????

[TurnTwo]

Is this confirmed?

[hilly]

This is just a rumor. It's been a rumor for years. I've also heard Elba was combining with Oakfield-Alabama.
I don't believe any of them until I hear something other than speculation.

[TopShelf]

This is just a rumor. It's been a rumor for years. I've also heard Elba was combining with Oakfield-Alabama.
I don't believe any of them until I hear something other than speculation.

Why would Oakfield combine with anyone. Their a local football powerhouse. What would be benefits for anyone in combining schools.

[hilly]

Why would Oakfield combine with anyone. Their a local football powerhouse. What would be benefits for anyone in combining schools.


I asked the same thing when I heard that rumor, but geographically it would work out. That's what I was told. But again, it is just a rumor.
I honestly don't expect Elba to merge with anybody in football or any other sport. There is no question it is one of the smaller schools in the area, but it has been very competitive in football over the years (minus the last couple).
And as for the B-B merger, that also would never work out because it would mess up B-B's numbers for soccer. The school has a great soccer program and if the football is going to merge, I'm sure the soccer team would have to consider allowing Elba kids to join. This will pump Bergen up too high and make winning a lot more difficult.
These rumors have been around for years and I would be surprised to see it happen.

[dfisch80]

Why would Oakfield combine with anyone. Their a local football powerhouse. What would be benefits for anyone in combining schools.

Top, unless I misunderstood, you wanted to know what the Benefits of combining schools would be?? Well from our experience, is been a huge benefit. When East Rochester merged with Gananda a few years back, in my opinion it was the best thing that could have happened for us. Our numbers were so low; our football program was in trouble. And Gananda had no football program to speak of, so it was a win-win situation. Instead of playing at a lower class such as D or DD, or not have a program at all, it’s allowed us to have a more competitive team at the B class level. Gananda is a good 20min drive away, but you would never know it. Practices and any other football functions run so smoothly with busing back and forth and what not, you would think all of the kids lived right here in ER. And the friendships that have been made, both the kids and parents, have made it that much of a reason it’s a success. Now, there are some "die hard" East Rochester families that don’t like the merger one bit! Bomber blood runs very deep in this village, and I guess some would rather us not have a football program at all, then to be combined with Gananda. Whatever...I for one am very glad we are!

I wish some of the smaller schools would consider merging. It's not only been proven it can work, but I think it'd be nice to see some of these smaller schools compete in higher classes.

[Rams15]

Mr. Fischer... you offer a common sense viewpoint relative to combining schools to benefit kids. ( athletically ) How dare you ! ( haha ) Now if you want to come and see some real deep-seeded issues and totally insanity ( in regards to combining schools ) please come and visit Corning. The thought of combining East and West High Schools into one school is absolute heresy. I think that if the Pope was in town, our Board would probably have a spilt vote on whether or not he would be permitted to speak.

[Breezy77]

How about Elba merging with Batavia? Batavia's numbers have been down for years in football and they are about 5 miles apart. What do you think?

[hilly]

How about Elba merging with Batavia? Batavia's numbers have been down for years in football and they are about 5 miles apart. What do you think?


Probably not.

[Breezy77]

someone should think about it. it makes some sense. in fact, batavia should become a central school district instead of a city school district and absorb elba, oakfield, and alexander. they would probably still be an A school.

[hilly]

I heard a rumor tonight that Elba and Byron-Bergen were going to combine in baseball THIS year.
Has anybody else heard this, preferably somebody that can give me some details.

[fanatic]

How about Elba merging with Batavia? Batavia's numbers have been down for years in football and they are about 5 miles apart. What do you think?

I don't think batavia needs to merge with elba, I think that the low numbers at batavia have to do with a few problems that can be solved. such as
1- getting coach geiger a job in the high school
2- going into a different league and playing schools their own size, kids don't want to get the crap kicked out of them all week in practice and then play in a game that you have to be almost perfect just to have a chance not to get blown out by big AA schools.
However I do think that if elba and byron bergen combine they would be a B, then it would make sense to have a Gr league with
3 b schools- elba/byron bergen, attica, batavia
and oakfield, pembroke,ND, and alexander
this makes sense since batavia isn't any good and ND can recruit.

[rockandroll34]

How about Elba merging with Batavia? Batavia's numbers have been down for years in football and they are about 5 miles apart. What do you think?

If Batavia's numbers are that down, they should just fold the program. You can't have a school that size merging with anyone. Can you imagine Batavia and Elba playing in AAA, that would be a joke.

[Berask]

If Batavia's numbers are that down, they should just fold the program. You can't have a school that size merging with anyone. Can you imagine Batavia and Elba playing in AAA, that would be a joke.

You can't fold the program. Their has really been tradition at Batavia and everyone that goes to school here loves football. Just not enough to play it unfortunately. Ex-players always come back just during football season to attend the games. I agree with your view on the merge, but you just cannot fold the program.
I think you'll see the number of players on the team next year go up by about ten or fifteen kids maybe. Don't quit on this program yet, their is still time for improvement. Geiger just entered our athletic program and he just needs time to get settled. Sometimes getting settled takes longer than three years. Give the coach and this program time.

[Berask]

I don't think batavia needs to merge with elba, I think that the low numbers at batavia have to do with a few problems that can be solved. such as
1- getting coach geiger a job in the high school
2- going into a different league and playing schools their own size, kids don't want to get the crap kicked out of them all week in practice and then play in a game that you have to be almost perfect just to have a chance not to get blown out by big AA schools.
However I do think that if elba and byron bergen combine they would be a B, then it would make sense to have a Gr league with
3 b schools- elba/byron bergen, attica, batavia
and oakfield, pembroke,ND, and alexander
this makes sense since batavia isn't any good and ND can recruit.

That actually makes a lot of sense. But in order for the switch to occur do all of the schools sports have to switch over. Because if this is true it will never happen. Batavia's baseball and basketball teams are too good. Last year in the baseball rotary tournament, the Batavia baseball team beat ND handily (a game i contributed nothing in going 0-4 with an error in the field). And when the basketball teams have their annual Christmas tournament, ND usually loses in the first round and then Batavia kills the team that ND lost to (Perry has recently put up a fight against Batavia). So if you must switch the whole athletic program this wouldn't work. Ever.

[fanatic]

That actually makes a lot of sense. But in order for the switch to occur do all of the schools sports have to switch over. Because if this is true it will never happen. Batavia's baseball and basketball teams are too good. Last year in the baseball rotary tournament, the Batavia baseball team beat ND handily (a game i contributed nothing in going 0-4 with an error in the field). And when the basketball teams have their annual Christmas tournament, ND usually loses in the first round and then Batavia kills the team that ND lost to (Perry has recently put up a fight against Batavia). So if you must switch the whole athletic program this wouldn't work. Ever.

Don't get confused with being to good and playing in a league with teams your own size. That is part of the problem with football at batavia, everybody says that batavia football sucks, but yet livingston county, fingewr lakes ant the GR league doesn't want them in their leagues because they would be succsessful. If batavia was to win their league monroe III, they would most likely win the states that year. Bottom line is people out side the games don't have a clue they see batavia get beat by some monroe county team and all they see is a loss. They see attica and ND beat barker and they see a win. So batavia is similar in size now and forever with the other teams in the GR so let them go in and show how decent the programs are,(football,basketball,baseball, and even succer.)

[Breezy77]

the livingston county league is the place for batavia. they would be a little bigger than the biggest livingston schools but not signifcantly so. it would be nice for the batavia kids to see how the other half lives. instead of always being the smallest school they could actually be the one of the biggest. they would not dominate the livingston league in any sport. they might be the favorite in some of the sports but what's wrong with that. in some of the sports they would just be average or below avearge. someone in authority needs to step up and do what's right for the batavia kids. the livingston communities are like batavia. dansville, bath, livonia,hfl, way-co, leroy,perry etc. middle class, hard working communities. the monroe county communities are not at all like batavia. they are suburbs of rochester and are much more affluent. someone needs to step up and do the right thing. let batavia in the livingston county league.

[fanatic]

the livingston county league is the place for batavia. they would be a little bigger than the biggest livingston schools but not signifcantly so. it would be nice for the batavia kids to see how the other half lives. instead of always being the smallest school they could actually be the one of the biggest. they would not dominate the livingston league in any sport. they might be the favorite in some of the sports but what's wrong with that. in some of the sports they would just be average or below avearge. someone in authority needs to step up and do what's right for the batavia kids. the livingston communities are like batavia. dansville, bath, livonia,hfl, way-co, leroy,perry etc. middle class, hard working communities. the monroe county communities are not at all like batavia. they are suburbs of rochester and are much more affluent. someone needs to step up and do the right thing. let batavia in the livingston county league.

Good points, Batavia is not the only school that would benefit by changing leagues. Section v could use a whole realignment and make some very compeitive leagues.

[hilly]

Good points, Batavia is not the only school that would benefit by changing leagues. Section v could use a whole realignment and make some very compeitive leagues.


It should happen, but it never will. The fact of the matter is that Section 5 is an "old boys" league and the way things are will always be that way.
I had a conversation about how the state tournament is run in Texas and it would be great here. Teams play 9 regular season games (5 in league and four against other schools of the same size). Using Attica as an example, the Blue Devils would play the GR schedule and then pick up four games against schools in Class B.
This way you still have your league champ and teams will play the rest of the season against schools of the same size.
Then there is no sectional tournament. The state tournament starts, with teams that have the most amount of wins getting in.

This would work great here, but it isn't ever going to happen because the guys that run Section 5 are going to always want to keep things how they are.

[Breezy77]

batavia should not be in the gr league. it should be in the livingston county league. the schools in the gr league are mostly C's and D's. in the livingston league the schools are mostly B's and C's.

[fanatic]

It should happen, but it never will. The fact of the matter is that Section 5 is an "old boys" league and the way things are will always be that way.
I had a conversation about how the state tournament is run in Texas and it would be great here. Teams play 9 regular season games (5 in league and four against other schools of the same size). Using Attica as an example, the Blue Devils would play the GR schedule and then pick up four games against schools in Class B.
This way you still have your league champ and teams will play the rest of the season against schools of the same size.
Then there is no sectional tournament. The state tournament starts, with teams that have the most amount of wins getting in.

This would work great here, but it isn't ever going to happen because the guys that run Section 5 are going to always want to keep things how they are.

It seems like a situation where the little guys of section v need to stand together and fight for their rights. People are always against change untill they see that other ways work, and sometimes even better. How hard would it be to take canandaigua(the only AA school in section v not in monroe county league) put them into monroe county as they fit and put batavia into finger lakes along with their A and B teams, seems simple

[fanatic]

I think Batavia would do well in a couple sports - but honestly they would not beat up on anyone in more sports than they would be successful in. The only thing is they would have to go independent in the sports that don't exist in GR. I would be all for it - it would give us 12 girls soccer teams which would let us do 3 divisions - giving us a much lighter league schedule and the opportunity to go out and schedule some more challenging non-league contests.

I agree, I don't believe Batavia would be a totally dominating program.Plus again they are schools of the same size.

[fanatic]

batavia should not be in the gr league. it should be in the livingston county league. the schools in the gr league are mostly C's and D's. in the livingston league the schools are mostly B's and C's.

The point was that if elba?BB combined they would be a B along with attica, and If Batavia joined The league of the county they are in, that would make 3 B schools, then your right they would have to play a C school such as Oakfield or Pembroke who are good programs. Then they might have to play a ND so what, what is the difference if Batavia plays down 2 classes for once, it doesn't seem to be an issue when they play up 2 classes, besides Attica is a B and they are already in that league with no other B schools, Where is the fairness.

[Berask]

Don't get confused with being to good and playing in a league with teams your own size. That is part of the problem with football at batavia, everybody says that batavia football sucks, but yet livingston county, fingewr lakes ant the GR league doesn't want them in their leagues because they would be succsessful. If batavia was to win their league monroe III, they would most likely win the states that year. Bottom line is people out side the games don't have a clue they see batavia get beat by some monroe county team and all they see is a loss. They see attica and ND beat barker and they see a win. So batavia is similar in size now and forever with the other teams in the GR so let them go in and show how decent the programs are,(football,basketball,baseball, and even succer.)

Are you trying to say batavias programs are decent or those of the gr league? I'm confused.

[Berask]

the livingston county league is the place for batavia. they would be a little bigger than the biggest livingston schools but not signifcantly so. it would be nice for the batavia kids to see how the other half lives. instead of always being the smallest school they could actually be the one of the biggest. they would not dominate the livingston league in any sport. they might be the favorite in some of the sports but what's wrong with that. in some of the sports they would just be average or below avearge. someone in authority needs to step up and do what's right for the batavia kids. the livingston communities are like batavia. dansville, bath, livonia,hfl, way-co, leroy,perry etc. middle class, hard working communities. the monroe county communities are not at all like batavia. they are suburbs of rochester and are much more affluent. someone needs to step up and do the right thing. let batavia in the livingston county league.

I think they may dominate in a few sports. Baseball and Basketball as examples. Am I wrong?

[Rams15]

Canandaigua would have their hands full ( to say the least ) with Bath, Hornell, HFL, and Livonia in baseball. I watched Canandaigua play last season on three different occasions.They have a nice club, but would only be in the mix of potential league champs, ( not dominant ) in my opinion. Their lefty Bobby ? ( sorry I can't remember his last name ) is crafty, but we have three pitchers who throw at or near the mid 80's range. ( Beaumont from HFL, Schwartz from Hornell and Rossi from Bath ) I agree that their basketball program would become an instant competitor for the league crown on a yearly basis.

[Berask]

Canandaigua would have their hands full ( to say the least ) with Bath, Hornell, HFL, and Livonia in baseball. I watched Canandaigua play last season on three different occasions.They have a nice club, but would only be in the mix of potential league champs, ( not dominant ) in my opinion. Their lefty Bobby ? ( sorry I can't remember his last name ) is crafty, but we have three pitchers who throw at or near the mid 80's range. ( Beaumont from HFL, Schwartz from Hornell and Rossi from Bath ) I agree that their basketball program would become an instant competitor for the league crown on a yearly basis.

I'm not talking about Canindagua sir.

[Rams15]

I am a little confused, as well, with the direction of this thread !!
Sorry to make the inaccurate assumption. I apologize....

[Berask]

I am a little confused, as well, with the direction of this thread !!
Sorry to make the inaccurate assumption. I apologize....

Well, I was talking about Batavia's programs and how I thought they might dominate the LCAA. I am wondering if I'm correct. Let me hear a response from someone within the LCAA to tell me if this is a correct or incorrect statement.

[UNCTarheels]

I think they'd be very competitive but I don't think they'd dominate.

Football-Livonia proved they can beat em, H-F-L, Hornell & Bath would have all beat them this year and would likely have an edge year in and out. Even DII teams LeRoy who did beat them this year and Cal-Mum would compete.

Basketball-They would be more competitive in Basketball but wouldn't blow out teams like Hornell, Livonia or H-F-L by any means. They would probably be head and shoulders better than Wayland-Cohocton, Bath & Dansville on the B-Ball court.

Baseball- QUOTE RAMS15-Batavia would have their hands full ( to say the least ) with Bath, Hornell, HFL, and Livonia in baseball. The LCAA has three pitchers who throw at or near the mid 80's range. ( Beaumont from HFL, Schwartz from Hornell and Rossi from Bath ) I agree that their basketball program would become an instant competitor for the league crown on a yearly basis.

Soccer-H-F-L just lost in the Class A Semi's to Aquinas, Bath just defeated Hornell in the BB Semi's and Bath plays for a Sectional title tomorrow night. I think the LCAA is pretty good in soccer.

Remember we're just talking Boys Sports, we can get into girls sports another time..........

[Breezy77]

i agree totally with unc and that is my point as well. batavia would be very competitive in all sports in the lcaa but would not dominate at all in any sport. the powers that be need to let batavia in the lcaa!!

[Berask]

I think they'd be very competitive but I don't think they'd dominate.

Football-Livonia proved they can beat em, H-F-L, Hornell & Bath would have all beat them this year and would likely have an edge year in and out. Even DII teams LeRoy who did beat them this year and Cal-Mum would compete.

Basketball-They would be more competitive in Basketball but wouldn't blow out teams like Hornell, Livonia or H-F-L by any means. They would probably be head and shoulders better than Wayland-Cohocton, Bath & Dansville on the B-Ball court.

Baseball- QUOTE RAMS15-Batavia would have their hands full ( to say the least ) with Bath, Hornell, HFL, and Livonia in baseball. The LCAA has three pitchers who throw at or near the mid 80's range. ( Beaumont from HFL, Schwartz from Hornell and Rossi from Bath ) I agree that their basketball program would become an instant competitor for the league crown on a yearly basis.

Soccer-H-F-L just lost in the Class A Semi's to Aquinas, Bath just defeated Hornell in the BB Semi's and Bath plays for a Sectional title tomorrow night. I think the LCAA is pretty good in soccer.

Remember we're just talking Boys Sports, we can get into girls sports another time..........

I know zero about girls sports so forget that. And I know our soccer and football programs are lacking but... I think you're underestimating our baseball program. We have crafty pitchers who won't blow anyone away but throw strikes consistently and use their breaking pitches to keep hitters off balance. One pitcher that sticks our is Adam Pettinella who had a sub 3.00 ERA last year and let up few hits in his outings. Our offense and defense in the field are real strong too. Our whole infield is returning with the exception of first base where we have former jv players competing for that position. Our centerfielder, Erik Pokornowski, is also returning. He was one of our leaders in hitting, fielding and stolen bases last season. We will have a deep team, who I believe, can make a run at the sectional, and maybe even state, titles.

But what player doesn't feel this way about his team haha. This will remain to be seen, but I'm just giving you a preview haha.

[fanatic]

Are you trying to say batavias programs are decent or those of the gr league? I'm confused.

I am saying that Batavia's programs are extremely good, but football doesn't get any credit due to the competition that they face week in and week out. If they went into the GR with elba/BB merged along with attica would be 3 B class schools in that league. Batavia would dominate, but so what they are the same size.

[GRbballno1]

By no means would Batavia be dominant as a football school in either the GR or the LCAA. Based on what they've shown on the field against any team they've faced out of Rochester, they would be more competitive than they are presently. But LeRoy has proved face-to-face on the gridiron that they are consistently a better coached program with more heart and much more tradition that the Batavia High program. As for the GR, they'd blow away the same people that everyone else does, and play with the legitimate teams, same as everyone else does. The size of their school would only affect the sectional points, not the games you'd watch on the field.
In other sports, I don't deny Batavia's elite status over the other schools mentioned. It would be no contest in basketball or baseball matches against the GR, and likely neither against most of the LCAA teams.

[joeZam1]

I do believe that the Elba-BB merger has been voted down....Too bad for Elba, having a modified and a JV program would help get them back on their feet....

[Mustangs24]

Baseball- The LCAA has three pitchers who throw at or near the mid 80's range. ( Beaumont from HFL, Schwartz from Hornell and Rossi from Bath )

Hackett from Pavilion as well...he's mid-80's.

Guys Basketball would dominate immediately for Batavia for league crowns.


Also, just wondering - since BB doesn't have a football program, can't students go to Elba and play (or whatever district is approved). OA has students on the Pembroke wrestling team, or did last year.

[Berask]

Hackett from Pavilion as well...he's mid-80's.

Guys Basketball would dominate immediately for Batavia for league crowns.


Also, just wondering - since BB doesn't have a football program, can't students go to Elba and play (or whatever district is approved). OA has students on the Pembroke wrestling team, or did last year.

My varsity team went into LeRoy this August, where Hackett plays his summer ball, and dominated him with the bat. We put up eight runs in 3 innings and he was out before he threw 60 pitches. With his domination of every team he faced in his sectional tourney with Pavilion last year, I'm confused as to if this was his real stuff. He had an average curveball, and his fastball was hard but straight as an arrow right down the plate. Maybe his dismal outing was due to the fact it was summer ball, but he didn't seem like anything special.

[ref301]

Mike Hackett has played for me the past 2 summers. The problem was my team (not the one in LeRoy) was just 1 of the 3 that he played for during the summer. By August he was looking for soccer to start as his arm was likely dragging. When fresh and confident he has great stuff but can have a tendancy to over throw. His success in Sectionals (where he may have thrown every pitch for Pavilion) was based on the fact that he actually had to slow down and pitch as opposed to trying to overpower everyone.

Beyond that, he's a great kid and a fierce competitor. He can play for me any place, any time!

[Berask]

Mike Hackett has played for me the past 2 summers. The problem was my team (not the one in LeRoy) was just 1 of the 3 that he played for during the summer. By August he was looking for soccer to start as his arm was likely dragging. When fresh and confident he has great stuff but can have a tendancy to over throw. His success in Sectionals (where he may have thrown every pitch for Pavilion) was based on the fact that he actually had to slow down and pitch as opposed to trying to overpower everyone.

Beyond that, he's a great kid and a fierce competitor. He can play for me any place, any time!

Yeah I figured that.

[hilly]

Mike Hackett has played for me the past 2 summers. The problem was my team (not the one in LeRoy) was just 1 of the 3 that he played for during the summer. By August he was looking for soccer to start as his arm was likely dragging. When fresh and confident he has great stuff but can have a tendancy to over throw. His success in Sectionals (where he may have thrown every pitch for Pavilion) was based on the fact that he actually had to slow down and pitch as opposed to trying to overpower everyone.

Beyond that, he's a great kid and a fierce competitor. He can play for me any place, any time!


Hackett is one of the toughest kids I've ever seen play baseball. I covered that sectional run - and even picked against Pavilion on The Local Sports Edge - and I was honestly so impressed with his performance.
He barely could throw a baseball by the end of the run, but was out there giving it all he had.
I don't know what kind of future he has in baseball because of his size, but he's got the heart for it.

[ref301]

He's a lock D3 prospect and can play for some D1 programs. I think his future is a 2nd base and will be productive at the plate no matter where he hits.

[Mustangs24]

He's a lock D3 prospect and can play for some D1 programs. I think his future is a 2nd base and will be productive at the plate no matter where he hits.

You stole my scouting report, ha...he's a better hitter than he is a pitcher, gets his hands in and drives the ball in the gaps...pitching he lacks a good throwing program (or did in spring) and scouts just don't look at many guys under 6'0" - especially in WNY. Fielding needs a sub-7 or will run into problems, so 2nd is his future home with a great exchange turning 2. Not sure how much he pitched this summer but it should have been limited and should have been on a throwing program to build/save his arm. Playing in three leagues everyone wants to use him, and he's not the type to back off and say no - one of the best competitors there is around here.


...now still wondering about the whole if BB students can play for Elba (or the closest district)? I know OA had wrestlers with Pembroke soo...if they wanted bad enough could they do that? If even one or two kids?

[sandman20]

I do believe that the Elba-BB merger has been voted down....Too bad for Elba, having a modified and a JV program would help get them back on their feet....

Joe z why would steve chioco the ad at elba want to improve the program?? For the past 4 years he is trying to destroy it? Seeing the varsity was bad the mods are bad and they dont have the numbers why combine they might have a winning season. Good luck Elba with steve as the Ad you will ALWAYS have problems.

[ref301]

"You stole my scouting report, ha...he's a better hitter than he is a pitcher, gets his hands in and drives the ball in the gaps...pitching he lacks a good throwing program (or did in spring) and scouts just don't look at many guys under 6'0" - especially in WNY. Fielding needs a sub-7 or will run into problems, so 2nd is his future home with a great exchange turning 2. Not sure how much he pitched this summer but it should have been limited and should have been on a throwing program to build/save his arm. Playing in three leagues everyone wants to use him, and he's not the type to back off and say no - one of the best competitors there is around here."

My last comment on Hackett... It's a shame that the focus now in the college recruiting game is on size (he has none) and speed (average at best). He's flat out a basebal player that can help many programs. I would recommend that he make a decision as early as possible and get on the type of training program that a college can provide him. Pavilion had great success at Sectionals, but don't yet see a "programmatic" approach to player development from the school or community. What Mike and his family have done, they have done on their own.

[Maddox08]

Joe z why would steve chioco the ad at elba want to improve the program?? For the past 4 years he is trying to destroy it? Seeing the varsity was bad the mods are bad and they dont have the numbers why combine they might have a winning season. Good luck Elba with steve as the Ad you will ALWAYS have problems.


Not sure your issue with elba but your wrong about the mod squad they only lost one game this year and won the others by a few touchdowns, they had a good solid team.

Elba needs to combine for the numbers, it is negative people who would rather see the program fail then succeed! The vote has not been yet but for success they need a jv program and this seems like a win win situation.

[sandman20]

Not sure your issue with elba but your wrong about the mod squad they only lost one game this year and won the others by a few touchdowns, they had a good solid team.

Elba needs to combine for the numbers, it is negative people who would rather see the program fail then succeed! The vote has not been yet but for success they need a jv program and this seems like a win win situation.

Elba has always been a Football Town the past two seasons was unlike them and the excitment isnt there. Elba palyers always took that field with pride and confindence. I have gone to all the games the pass two years and that is gone. The players didnt take that field with pride at all. Steve chioco and the adminatration took that away when the let those coaches go. They built a program that competed at the top ,they ran that program like a small college and it showed year after year. The people should be negitive because that was a football town and if you dont win the community get alittle angry
that is my issue with Elba they went from section v champs to trying to beat barker so they wouldnt be last. that my issue. Elba need to combine for the numbers but that puts them up two classes would they be able to compete up there, i dont want to be negitive but the class B's are tough. but who know they might..

[easyrsaidthandone]

Not sure your issue with elba but your wrong about the mod squad they only lost one game this year and won the others by a few touchdowns, they had a good solid team.

Elba needs to combine for the numbers, it is negative people who would rather see the program fail then succeed! The vote has not been yet but for success they need a jv program and this seems like a win win situation.

The Elba BOE will not allow it because BB doesnt want the elba kids for soccer. When Joe was there, they had the same number of kids and didnt need to combine,and the program was very successfull. What they need is a coach, an AD and a BOE and a total administration that wants football and supports their coaches and gives them what they need. Jvs may help, but its not the only problem, SANDMAN is in my opinion correct.

[Mustangs24]

"You stole my scouting report, ha...he's a better hitter than he is a pitcher, gets his hands in and drives the ball in the gaps...pitching he lacks a good throwing program (or did in spring) and scouts just don't look at many guys under 6'0" - especially in WNY. Fielding needs a sub-7 or will run into problems, so 2nd is his future home with a great exchange turning 2. Not sure how much he pitched this summer but it should have been limited and should have been on a throwing program to build/save his arm. Playing in three leagues everyone wants to use him, and he's not the type to back off and say no - one of the best competitors there is around here."

My last comment on Hackett... It's a shame that the focus now in the college recruiting game is on size (he has none) and speed (average at best). He's flat out a basebal player that can help many programs. I would recommend that he make a decision as early as possible and get on the type of training program that a college can provide him. Pavilion had great success at Sectionals, but don't yet see a "programmatic" approach to player development from the school or community. What Mike and his family have done, they have done on their own.

I thought the coaches worked well together at all three levels the last couple years to help the "program", and there's a baseball clinic that's been at Pavilion for two years and is scheduled again for next year (it has 4 ex-pro players come in to teach pitching, hitting, infield, outfield). Choosing can wait to see what options are there - and here's a question, grades? those are huge over any ability an athlete has. There's a coach already in the program that knows all about throwing programs in college/pro ball.

Size has always been an issue, pro scouts look at 6'2" and above, and very rarely does anyone shorter get the call - though it happens but there stuff has to be amazing, and yes there's reason behind that theory. As for speed, you need a sub-7 or you're in trouble. .1 second is 40 inches of ground to cover - 40 inches is a LOT so anything above a 7 you're losing a lot of ground as an infielder, and you're job is to take hits away.

Now, this should be in the baseball thread anyways :)

[sandman20]

The Elba BOE will not allow it because BB doesnt want the elba kids for soccer. When Joe was there, they had the same number of kids and didnt need to combine,and the program was very successfull. What they need is a coach, an AD and a BOE and a total administration that wants football and supports their coaches and gives them what they need. Jvs may help, but its not the only problem, SANDMAN is in my opinion correct.

Elba is a small school with low numbers and they always have been. The elba coaches of the past havent had any trouble molding those players to be winners nobody wanted to play Elba. Now everyone wants to play them tell me the last time you ever seen a Elba football team go 0-8.....So easysaidthandone you are right on... people can say what they want but the it is reality so peoples negitive thought are the truth because the are use to winning. So give steve chioco and the board of education a BIG hand for making people think negitive thought and ruining a great program my hand goes out to you....GREAT JOB

[baidog]

Last time I checked schools existed for getting kids an education. I am one of the first to argue that athletics enhances education and teaches a lot of lessons that many students will not learn in the classroom. The main job of the administration, BOE is not to make sure the football or any sports program is top notch, but to make sure the entire school is top notch.

[sandman20]

Last time I checked schools existed for getting kids an education. I am one of the first to argue that athletics enhances education and teaches a lot of lessons that many students will not learn in the classroom. The main job of the administration, BOE is not to make sure the football or any sports program is top notch, but to make sure the entire school is top notch.

We are not talking about education on this thread if you want start another one biadog...The last time i check schools are for education. That is why they are student athletes the student comes first then the athlete. but i think the adminstration (AD), and the BOE is to make sure EVERYTHING is top notch from band to sports. Look around at other school LeRoy, CAl-mum and all the other schools that are top notch. I agree to make the entire school great that includes sports. So i think EVERYONE know what schools are for but thanks for reminding us baidog......

[Maddox08]

The Elba BOE will not allow it because BB doesnt want the elba kids for soccer. When Joe was there, they had the same number of kids and didnt need to combine,and the program was very successfull. What they need is a coach, an AD and a BOE and a total administration that wants football and supports their coaches and gives them what they need. Jvs may help, but its not the only problem, SANDMAN is in my opinion correct.


My reply to you is that I learned a long time ago to "never" say "never". No the numbers have not changed, but the distribution and ages have. You cannot be successful against seniors when you are playing with freshmen, that is a no brainer. Do you realize that next years team will consist of 2-3 seniors, 2-3 juniors, 8-10 sophmores and probably 10-15 freshman. Wouldn't it be better for these numbers to grab 10 juniors/seniors from a school who doesn't have football (but would love to) to create a varsity squad? Then let the sophmores/freshman make up a jv team where they should be playing anyways? I heard a comment from a player of OA after they lost to BK, it was said that they had to play with several of their jv players due to injuries and low numbers and that had an adverse affect on the outcome of the game. OA is a great football team, and playing with freshman and sophmores is a constant at Elba. Those boys are not ready to play varsity, they need time to grow and develop into great players. Has Elbas program been successful as it stands (with no jv program) yes, but why continue when you have an alternative. I know they have a coach, AD and BOE that supports ALL sports, if not then why have successful coaches like O'Geen and Nowak not been replaced? I believe this "thread" is about Elba and Byron Bergen merging for the success of the football program. I see it happening and needed for a few sports at the schools. Its failure or success we will all have to wait and see. We cannot afford to loose any more sports programs at the small school level.

[baidog]

My comment does actually fit in here, more so than the baseball scouting report. Athletics serve as a source of pride for many schools. It brings the community together and gives them some recognition they might not get. Both Elba with football and BB with soccer have a great deal of pride. Neither wants to "share" so to speak. Elba does not think they need the help in football. BB does not need the help in soccer. Winning with the help might lessen the accomplishment so to speak. You blast the AD for ruining the program as well as the BOE. Most likely the BOE, remember the AD works for them. Sometimes athletics becomes more important then they need to be. How many former high school all stars are walking around living in the past and not accomplishing anything. I don't know the situation well enough as to why the AD and BOE have killed the football program. Did they shoot down the merger idea or was it B-B?

[Maddox08]

Amen to that. I thought this was about the Elba Byron-Bergen merger myself. The merger has not been shot down, it is still in the building stages but looks promising. I think they are trying to figure out what to combine and what to leave alone. We would all agree that they boys soccer program at BB is solid, so I don't think that would be considered, but I know baseball at both schools are small and I know that BB has swimming and wrestling and I think Elba does not, so who knows. The downgrading of the AD and Board stems from some people on this site who disagree with the school not renewing a coaches contract and therefore they proceed to blast Elba whenever they can. They need to move on with their lives and quit trying to relive whatever past they can't seem to leave behind. If they disliked the Elba sports programs, then they should just quit going and putting yourself through all the anquish. I think the school is trying to rebuild a program that has left a bad taste in many peoples mouthes and wash their hands of the past issues - just my opinion. I can't state enough that we cannot afford to lose any small school sports programs!

[xxxfootballxxx]

Amen to that. I thought this was about the Elba Byron-Bergen merger myself. The merger has not been shot down, it is still in the building stages but looks promising. I think they are trying to figure out what to combine and what to leave alone. We would all agree that they boys soccer program at BB is solid, so I don't think that would be considered, but I know baseball at both schools are small and I know that BB has swimming and wrestling and I think Elba does not, so who knows. The downgrading of the AD and Board stems from some people on this site who disagree with the school not renewing a coaches contract and therefore they proceed to blast Elba whenever they can. They need to move on with their lives and quit trying to relive whatever past they can't seem to leave behind. If they disliked the Elba sports programs, then they should just quit going and putting yourself through all the anquish. I think the school is trying to rebuild a program that has left a bad taste in many peoples mouthes and wash their hands of the past issues - just my opinion. I can't state enough that we cannot afford to lose any small school sports programs!
Sounds like this guy work for Elba???

[xxxfootballxxx]

Amen to that. I thought this was about the Elba Byron-Bergen merger myself. The merger has not been shot down, it is still in the building stages but looks promising. I think they are trying to figure out what to combine and what to leave alone. We would all agree that they boys soccer program at BB is solid, so I don't think that would be considered, but I know baseball at both schools are small and I know that BB has swimming and wrestling and I think Elba does not, so who knows. The downgrading of the AD and Board stems from some people on this site who disagree with the school not renewing a coaches contract and therefore they proceed to blast Elba whenever they can. They need to move on with their lives and quit trying to relive whatever past they can't seem to leave behind. If they disliked the Elba sports programs, then they should just quit going and putting yourself through all the anquish. I think the school is trying to rebuild a program that has left a bad taste in many peoples mouthes and wash their hands of the past issues - just my opinion. I can't state enough that we cannot afford to lose any small school sports programs!Sounds like someone works for elba

[Maddox08]

Can't say that I do, just a loyal fan of the gr who loves sports!

[xxxfootballxxx]

Can't say that I do, just a loyal fan of the gr who loves sports!
You know way to much about elba and whats going on there. Mr AD

[easyrsaidthandone]

Can't say that I do, just a loyal fan of the gr who loves sports!

If you DONT work at elba, tell us who you are, because it certainly sounds like you work at Elba to alot of us.

[joeZam1]

I think everyone should STOP! The people in support..Thank You..The angry anti's--I get it ok--STOP! Sounds like EVERYONES HATRED CANT BE GOOD..Prayers dont always work either...GET A GRIP, Im over it, so everyone else..PLEASE get over it!!!