The bigger picture - desales

[LUCKY]

Nice article in the Finger Lakes Times of tonights paper page 3A.

[coachstew]

Nice article in the Finger Lakes Times of tonights paper page 3A.

Is the artcile online?? I can't find it on the Times web site.

[LUCKY]

Try the bigger picture desales

[toadhead25]

Can we post a link

[lbcoach45]

http://www.fltimes.com/opinion/columnists/columnist_two/article_498617be-46a4-11e1-8c54-001871e3ce6c.html

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[fera42]

http://www.fltimes.com/opinion/columnists/columnist_two/article_498617be-46a4-11e1-8c54-001871e3ce6c.html

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Lol wow. This is going to make many Geneva people upset.

[CS-Sport]

Lol wow. This is going to make many Geneva people upset.

Wow is right.....crazy story for sure

[quovadimus]

Nice article in the Finger Lakes Times of tonights paper page 3A.

If the DeSales story can be verified, the issue of the second ineligible student would have to be put aside long enough for Section 5 to severely discipline GHS.

At the very least, I would think the section might demand that anyone involved in assembling and faxing the document be removed from any role in athletics.

At the extreme, I'd have to consider throwing the school out of all sectional championships for a year. And believe me, I don't say that lightly.

[sectionvguy1]

If I may... This was a very well written piece & it helped understand the situation. Again well written & a joy to read!!!!

[coachstew]

I'm reading the article and all I can come up with is this.

Shame on each and every adult who is involved in this mess. What in the blue hell are you thinking? We aren't talking about NFL free agency here or even college football recruiting. We are talking about high school students. Playing high school sports for kids produces fond memories they carry with them in life. By declaring the two players inelgible, you didn't hurt the coaches at the other school, you hurt a group of kids, who just wanted to play football.

I hate to reveal my southern roots on here, but it looks like an episode of the Jerry Springer show almost. Any persons responsible for this mess should never be allowed to work in high school sports again.

[UNCTarheels]

http://www.fltimes.com/opinion/columnists/columnist_two/article_498617be-46a4-11e1-8c54-001871e3ce6c.html

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It's ok, I'm glad you posted it. Thank you

[g-man]

It's ok, I'm glad you posted it. Thank you

well written article. i hope geneva has the guts to man up and give their version of the story so the truth can be set right. this kind of activity cannot go on. i hope they don't hide from the situation, but rather stop the buck.

[OldSchool78]

If I may... This was a very well written piece & it helped understand the situation. Again well written & a joy to read!!!!

In your world of "journalism" this article must have given you goose bumps....:D

[going4broke]

In your world of "journalism" this article must have given you goose bumps....:D

Haha. Agreed!!!

[toadhead25]

I have two questions from all of this. One, a football coach has zero to do with a faxing of transcripts. So, would a high school secretary purposely leave out a year of transcripts? Two, isn't it DHS's responsiblity to see a gap in the schooling?

[willie]

Did any DeSales coaches and administrators ask the players in question how many years they had been in hs when they first heard of this over the summer?

[The Dude]

I didn't know that Geneva's head coach workes in the GHS guidance department and is control of transcripts.

The whole Geneva school district must be corrupt because the football team is that powerful. The football program even controls what happens in the school regarding everything.

[lbcoach45]

I have two questions from all of this. One, a football coach has zero to do with a faxing of transcripts. So, would a high school secretary purposely leave out a year of transcripts? Two, isn't it DHS's responsiblity to see a gap in the schooling?

This is exactly what I was thinking.

[EaglePride]

I have two questions from all of this. One, a football coach has zero to do with a faxing of transcripts. So, would a high school secretary purposely leave out a year of transcripts? Two, isn't it DHS's responsiblity to see a gap in the schooling?

Exactly!!!!!!

[Football101]

I'm reading the article and all I can come up with is this.

Shame on each and every adult who is involved in this mess. What in the blue hell are you thinking? We aren't talking about NFL free agency here or even college football recruiting. We are talking about high school students. Playing high school sports for kids produces fond memories they carry with them in life. By declaring the two players ineligible, you didn't hurt the coaches at the other school, you hurt a group of kids, who just wanted to play football.

I hate to reveal my southern roots on here, but it looks like an episode of the Jerry Springer show almost. Any persons responsible for this mess should never be allowed to work in high school sports again.


You might want to look at the Coach or Coaches that wanted them and tried to bring over the students from DeSales? In this case, every single Coach that was involved with this from GHS and DHS knew that Student No.1 had played 1 year of HS ball before transferring to GHS without enough credits to advance in grade level, then playing another 3 years and then transferring and became a super senior at DHS.

[coachstew]

You might want to look at the Coach or Coaches that wanted them and tried to bring over the students from DeSales? In this case, every single Coach that was involved with this from GHS and DHS knew that Student No.1 had played 1 year of HS ball before transferring to GHS without enough credits to advance in grade level, then playing another 3 years and then transferring and became a super senior at DHS.

anyone that knew and said nothing or allowed it or watched it happen while saying nothing should be gone.

[lbcoach45]

A few more thoughts and questions.

1. The player was in his second year at DeSales, he was a FLW all star the year before (I think). If Geneva was really looking to get DeSales, it was a two season plan that would have had to involve a secretary.

2. Geneva contacted them after week 1. If they wanted to screw DeSales over, why not wait until the season was over?

3. Why is player 2 being glossed over? He played in five games before the other school spoke up, but that is being dismissed. DeSales is kind of taking responsibility, but that doesn't negate that no one spoke up until a league meeting was called. I wonder how many people knew about the second player before anything was said? Should they all be removed from sports?

4. Very curious why DeSales is bringing this up now, months after the season? They aren't even sure if they are going to pursue an appeal.

[IDontKnow]

I will begin by saying that I have no ties to DeSales or Geneva.

In my opinion this is a very unprofessional article. A true journalist would never print the unconfirmed thoughts and ideas that were written. A journalistic with integrity prints facts that he can confirm. He doesn't print gossip and accusations. That is what a message board is for.

With that said, the bottom line is that DeSales is a private school and has many kids transfer in each year. They have the responsibility to verify the transfer records of each and every student enrolling. They admit to a clerical error with the second player, but Geneva is screwing them with the first? That coupled with the recent history of DeSales football and I have to believe that if you give the benefit of the doubt to anyone here, it is Geneva.

It is likely that Geneva refused to comment because:

1. They can't publicly comment on student records.
2. This is a non-issue for them.
3. The accusation is ridiculous.

[lbcoach45]

I will begin by saying that I have no ties to DeSales or Geneva.

In my opinion this is a very unprofessional article. A true journalist would never print the unconfirmed thoughts and ideas that were written. A journalistic with integrity prints facts that he can confirm. He doesn't print gossip and accusations. That is what a message board is for.

With that said, the bottom line is that DeSales is a private school and has many kids transfer in each year. They have the responsibility to verify the transfer records of each and every student enrolling. They admit to a clerical error with the second player, but Geneva is screwing them with the first? That coupled with the recent history of DeSales football and I have to believe that if you give the benefit of the doubt to anyone here, it is Geneva.

It is likely that Geneva refused to comment because:

1. They can't publicly comment on student records.
2. This is a non-issue for them.
3. The accusation is ridiculous.

In all fairness, it does say at the top of the article that it is an opinion piece.

I agree with the last three points. Geneva has nothing to gain from responding and playing this out through the media. They were prepared to present their side at the appeal, but the appeal was cancelled.

[HS Sports Supporter]

:eek: Gentlemen, I'm new at this so bear with me. I support both Geneva and DeSales and I have an opinion on this mess! I believe the article is credible because 1) the reporter wrote he SAW the documents. 2) Dont blame the Secretary, she only faxes what she is given. 3) Dont blame the Guidance Office, they cant send what they dont have. Where am I going with this? Lets try this senario! The student "hand carries" his transcript from his former school to his athletic interview. The Athletic office retains the transcript in the event the student remains at GHS they will allow him to play 4 years. After all, who in the Mt. Vernon School district cares about Section V? This accounts for the fact that when DeSales requested transcripts from Guidance they only received records for the year the student spent at GHS, The rest of the transcript was in the Athletic Dept. The entire transcript surfaced when the AD hand carried it to DeSales to lodge the complaint. It was my belief that the organization of Section V is to protect schools and players or is it just another "GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB" where friends are protected? There is a descrepency and Section should investigate it.

[sectionvguy1]

In your world of "journalism" this article must have given you goose bumps....:D

I was very impressed with the way it ws presented.

I would think as a form Naz parent you would feel the same way after the complete BS that was written about Naz bball over the years!

[sectionvguy1]

I will begin by saying that I have no ties to DeSales or Geneva.

In my opinion this is a very unprofessional article. A true journalist would never print the unconfirmed thoughts and ideas that were written. A journalistic with integrity prints facts that he can confirm. He doesn't print gossip and accusations. That is what a message board is for.

With that said, the bottom line is that DeSales is a private school and has many kids transfer in each year. They have the responsibility to verify the transfer records of each and every student enrolling. They admit to a clerical error with the second player, but Geneva is screwing them with the first? That coupled with the recent history of DeSales football and I have to believe that if you give the benefit of the doubt to anyone here, it is Geneva.

It is likely that Geneva refused to comment because:

1. They can't publicly comment on student records.
2. This is a non-issue for them.
3. The accusation is ridiculous.

WOW!!!! you are 100% wrong. This was a well written piece. The only part of the article that was not a documented fact was the section about what DeSales fans think & he backed it up by saying that was speculation & not trying to pawn it off as fact like other do. Again I thought it was exactly what we need more of.

[DukeFan]

WOW!!!! you are 100% wrong. This was a well written piece. The only part of the article that was not a documented fact was the section about what DeSales fans think & he backed it up by saying that was speculation & not trying to pawn it off as fact like other do. Again I thought it was exactly what we need more of.

Couldn't agree more. A fine piece of journalism. Would love to hear Geneva's side of the story....

[OldSchool78]

I was very impressed with the way it ws presented.

I would think as a form Naz parent you would feel the same way after the complete BS that was written about Naz bball over the years!

I always told my kids that if you know the truth in your heart, that whatever is written about you are just words, meaningless at that. The negative crap that was written about Naz was used as a motivating tool.....at least in my house it was. I told N to bottle whatever anger she may have had and use it to kick the crap out of her next opponent. It worked pretty well.

[Harry Furman]

:eek: Gentlemen, I'm new at this so bear with me. I support both Geneva and DeSales and I have an opinion on this mess! I believe the article is credible because 1) the reporter wrote he SAW the documents. 2) Dont blame the Secretary, she only faxes what she is given. 3) Dont blame the Guidance Office, they cant send what they dont have. Where am I going with this? Lets try this senario! The student "hand carries" his transcript from his former school to his athletic interview. The Athletic office retains the transcript in the event the student remains at GHS they will allow him to play 4 years. After all, who in the Mt. Vernon School district cares about Section V? This accounts for the fact that when DeSales requested transcripts from Guidance they only received records for the year the student spent at GHS, The rest of the transcript was in the Athletic Dept. The entire transcript surfaced when the AD hand carried it to DeSales to lodge the complaint. It was my belief that the organization of Section V is to protect schools and players or is it just another "GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB" where friends are protected? There is a descrepency and Section should investigate it.

I was wondering when Coach G was going to weigh in with his conspiracy theory. You can't fool me Larry.

[coachstew]

I was wondering when Coach G was going to weigh in with his conspiracy theory. You can't fool me Larry.

I won't tell ya who it is but that isn't Larry Gurreri and yes I have access to such information.

[IDontKnow]

I'm really surprised at how many of you are giving DeSales the benefit of the doubt on this.

[HS Sports Supporter]

Why shouldn't DeSales have the "benefit of the doubt"?
They havn't been proven guilty of any wrong doing yet. They self reported
The second student, why try to hide another?

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm really surprised at how many of you are giving DeSales the benefit of the doubt on this.

However, the presented evidence certainly indicates that Geneva was not acting with much integrity. Not sure how else to explain 2 separate versions of a kids paperwork sent 18 months apart. The fact that Section V just dropped the investigation due to a lack of appeal also stinks to high heaven.

Article II - Purpose
It shall be the purpose of this organization to formulate and adopt policies that will enable the Association
to administer and govern interscholastic athletics in accordance with sound educational practices.

This quote was taken from the Section V NYSPHSAA Constitution. So does depriving an entire team from enjoying their on field success a "sound educational practice"?

[HS Sports Supporter]

Exactly!

[IDontKnow]

Why? Because in the last five years DeSales football has been in the middle of numerous activities that violate the rules in section V. Many have been proven with signed statements from students. It wasn't until the events of last year that section V finally acted.

As for Geneva...they have no history at all in regards to immoral behavior.

[flhoops]

Why shouldn't DeSales have the "benefit of the doubt"?
They havn't been proven guilty of any wrong doing yet. They self reported
The second student, why try to hide another?

.....what has really hurt DeSales is the fact that their football staff has actively recruited players from the Finger Lakes by giving them shoes & promises of DI scholarships (even though the players are "borderline DIII players"). From talking with someone who was at the hearing, DeSales had their guidance secretary at the meeting & her statements did not help DeSales case.

[gobraves]

I was told the Geneva player was listed as a junior on Geneva's roster the year before he went to Desales. It doesn't look like Geneva was trying to play him an extra year. They had him listed correctly.

[Harry Furman]

I won't tell ya who it is but that isn't Larry Gurreri and yes I have access to such information.

If that isn't Larry it is someone parroting his version of the situation because that sounds a lot like LG. Are you sure you know who everyone is on here? Things are not always as they seem. Am I really Harry Furman?

I find it interesting that this poster is not only suggesting that Geneva conspired to stick it to DeSales, but also insinuating that they would have knowingly played the player in his fourth year even though he was ineligible. Where is the proof of that? Anyone who knows Larry knows that, from the day he started coaching at DeSales, he has thrived on this manufactured belief that Geneva is out to get him and his program. This whole thing plays right into that. He will use this to motivate himself, his players and all of the DeSales faithful who are just happy to have a winning football team again. I can see it now -- this will be the SEASON OF REDEMPTION and everyone will eat it up.

Also, just because you self report does not mean that you are not guilty of any wrong doing. By self reporting you are admitting that you did something wrong -- you played an inelegible player. You are saying that it was not intentional and there is nothing to suggest otherwise so I accept that. IF there was a mix-up with the paperwork from Geneva on the player in question why is there a presumption that it was intentional?

[toadhead25]

If that isn't Larry it is someone parroting his version of the situation because that sounds a lot like LG. Are you sure you know who everyone is on here? Things are not always as they seem. Am I really Harry Furman?

I find it interesting that this poster is not only suggesting that Geneva conspired to stick it to DeSales, but also insinuating that they would have knowingly played the player in his fourth year even though he was ineligible. Where is the proof of that? Anyone who knows Larry knows that, from the day he started coaching at DeSales, he has thrived on this manufactured belief that Geneva is out to get him and his program. This whole thing plays right into that. He will use this to motivate himself, his players and all of the DeSales faithful who are just happy to have a winning football team again. I can see it now -- this will be the SEASON OF REDEMPTION and everyone will eat it up.

Also, just because you self report does not mean that you are not guilty of any wrong doing. By self reporting you are admitting that you did something wrong -- you played an inelegible player. You are saying that it was not intentional and there is nothing to suggest otherwise so I accept that. IF there was a mix-up with the paperwork from Geneva on the player in question why is there a presumption that it was intentional?

Where does it say they self reported the second player

[Harry Furman]

Where does it say they self reported the second player

post above on this page by HS Sports Supporter indicates that DeSales self reported the second player

[toadhead25]

post above on this page by HS Sports Supporter indicates that DeSales self reported the second player

so u r taking the word of someone on this sight. You honestly think they did it?

[HS Sports Supporter]

I think immoral is pretty strong! What Section V rules has DeSales Violated? Recruitment?
DeSales survives on recruiting. All schools who depend on tuition have to recruit. If one of four students recruited happens to be athletically inclined, then they got lucky. No one mentions the other 3 students. If its a paperwork mix-up, say so, the silence speaks loud volumes. We listen to whats said on the street and its all speculation on both sides.

[Harry Furman]

so u r taking the word of someone on this sight. You honestly think they did it?

No. Based solely on my opinion, gut feeling and observations of their program over the last few years, I don't think they made an honest mistake then self reported. But they say they did and I haven't seen evidence otherwise so I'll accept it. I really only brought it up to point out to HS Sports Supporter that just because you self report does not mean you are innocent of wrong doing (which is what he was saying). If you say it was unintentional I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that, but it was still your mistake and it was still the reason you had to forfeit several games. Even if the situation with the first kid and Geneva never happened the end result for DeSales football would be the same.

[flhoops]

Why shouldn't DeSales have the "benefit of the doubt"?
They havn't been proven guilty of any wrong doing yet. They self reported
The second student, why try to hide another?

...if I'm not mistaken they "self reported" after being told by people from the students previous school that he was a 5th year senior. What else could they do? Obviously another school in the FL knew & I'm sure they told others. It was either "sel report" or have another school report it.

[lbcoach45]

...if I'm not mistaken they "self reported" after being told by people from the students previous school that he was a 5th year senior. What else could they do? Obviously another school in the FL knew & I'm sure they told others. It was either "sel report" or have another school report it.

This is the same thing I've been told. The second player played in the first 5 games of the season (not just 3) before they were told at the meeting he was in his 5th year. They couldn't deny that one, so they kind of took responsibility (weak excuse).

[HoosierDaddy]

Why? Because in the last five years DeSales football has been in the middle of numerous activities that violate the rules in section V. Many have been proven with signed statements from students. It wasn't until the events of last year that section V finally acted.

As for Geneva...they have no history at all in regards to immoral behavior.

For not doing their jobs and correcting the situation. We have seen and heard this with other private schools and Section V seems to have no interest in policing their own.

However, just because DeSales has a bad track record it doesn't excuse Geneva "conveniently" providing 2 different sets of records. That "mistake" is all on Geneva and they should know better. Here's an analogy: Just because a person is a known career criminal, that doesn't justify the planting of incriminating evidence by a fellow citizen.

[Harry Furman]

However, just because DeSales has a bad track record it doesn't excuse Geneva "conveniently" providing 2 different sets of records. That "mistake" is all on Geneva and they should know better. Here's an analogy: Just because a person is a known career criminal, that doesn't justify the planting of incriminating evidence by a fellow citizen.

Actually, that's a poor analogy. "Planting incriminating evidence" suggests that the evidence was fabricated. No evidence was fabricated here. Geneva had evidence that the player was ineligible. They came forward with the evidence immediately after the ineligible player played in the first game of the season.

[HoosierDaddy]

Actually, that's a poor analogy. "Planting incriminating evidence" suggests that the evidence was fabricated. No evidence was fabricated here. Geneva had evidence that the player was ineligible. They came forward with the evidence immediately after the ineligible player played in the first game of the season.

Geneva provided 2 different versions of the paperwork, 18 months apart, that the author personally viewed himself. Therefore, the planted/fabricated evidence analogy.

[Harry Furman]

Geneva provided 2 different versions of the paperwork, 18 months apart, that the author personally viewed himself. Therefore, the planted/fabricated evidence analogy.

So, are you suggesting that Geneva fabricated the second set of paperwork? That is wasn't legitimate documentation of where the kid had gone to school? That Geneva made it up for the purpose of showing him to be ineligible? If not, then your analogy is still poor. If you are suggesting this, then your analogy makes sense, but it also adds another wacky dimension to this conspiracy theory.

[IDontKnow]

If you're going to suggest that Geneva fabricated documents, isn't it fair to say that DeSales falsified the original documents? Since DeSales had a "bookkeeping" error with the second kid, couldn't their lack of attention to detail have caused the first issue as well?

Anyone that works in a guidance office can tell you that one quick glimpse of a kids transcript and you will know immediately if something isn't right or if something is missing. For a school to not know on two different kids is a school that doesn't want to know.

[HS Sports Supporter]

OMG! To even suggest "fabrication" or "falsification" on the part of EITHER school is in my mind rediculous! I like the word"omission". From what I have heard, The original fax contained records ONLY of the year spent at GHS. The second fax was a combination of the first fax and the records from the original school, thus comprising a complete transcript. You are so right in saying that anyone working in guidance knows when something is missing, but I also understand that when confronted, Geneva Guidance said they sent all they had, which I believe. So where was the rest of the transcript until it was brought to DeSales?

[toadhead25]

The fault lies with desales period. Why would u allow someone to participate when u only have one year of transcripts. Phone calls need to be made. There is no excuse for not wanting to know. Do not make excuses when you are wrong and deflect the blame. Bottom line is the second offense was worse than the first. Where is the excuse for that one. I dont not believe they blew their own whistle, i just cant buy the whole thing. They did not hold up their end of investigating their new students.

[HoosierDaddy]

If you're going to suggest that Geneva fabricated documents, isn't it fair to say that DeSales falsified the original documents? Since DeSales had a "bookkeeping" error with the second kid, couldn't their lack of attention to detail have caused the first issue as well?

Anyone that works in a guidance office can tell you that one quick glimpse of a kids transcript and you will know immediately if something isn't right or if something is missing. For a school to not know on two different kids is a school that doesn't want to know.

However, it still doesn't explain the difference between both sets of documents provided by Geneva to DeSales. There is usually a simple explanation to most problems, but I haven't heard one that explains this discrepancy. DeSales should have been able to rely upon the documents provided by Geneva when making the eligibility decision. When this document proves to be faulty, you have to question why and how this happened. Especially when so many kids were adversely affected and saw their entire season go down the drain.

[fera42]

I was told the Geneva player was listed as a junior on Geneva's roster the year before he went to Desales. It doesn't look like Geneva was trying to play him an extra year. They had him listed correctly.

Then you heard wrong. The first player transferred to desales at the end of his soph. year. The second player wasn't even a Geneva guy.

[Harry Furman]

When this document proves to be faulty, you have to question why and how this happened. Especially when so many kids were adversely affected and saw their entire season go down the drain.

Your argument above is even more flawed than your previous analogy. If you are saying that Geneva's actions in allegedly intentionally supplying faulty, incomplete paperwork need to be questioned because those actions affected so many kids and caused DeSales entire season to be ruined, then your argument holds absolutely no weight. Even if we assume for one second that Geneva cooked up this whole thing to stick it to DeSales, they brought the ineligible player to DeSales attention after the first game. It would have been a rotten and wrong thing for Geneva to do but, at most, DeSales would have had to forfeit that ONE game which would not ruin an entire season. THE ENTIRE SEASON WENT DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE OF DESALES' SCREW UP WITH THE SECOND KID. As a previous poster stated, if Geneva really wanted to screw DeSales, they could have let the first kid play all season and then pull this out right before sectionals.

For what it's worth ... Geneva has plenty of stuff they need to get in order themselves. I would certainly hope and think they would be putting all of their energy toward keeping their own program on track and not wasting it on trying to sabotage another program.

Here's the bottom line ... WINNERS take responsibility for their own problems and do what is needed to correct them. No excuses, no explanations - just do it.

[willie]

I heard there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll and Geneva is also being accused of involvement in that conspiracy!

It’s football. A game played by kids.

In this case the Desales staff and admin should have done a better job following thru on the eligibility of their players. There were questions about eligibility before the first game. Desales did not completely follow through and leave no doubt the players were eligible to participate. They ignored it or were incompetent. In the end it hurt the kids that worked hard to have a good season. The ineligible player from Newark played 5 games! Can someone read a transcript correctly at Desales?

It doesn’t seem to have hurt the adults involved coaching and running the athletic department at Desales They are still there blaming everyone else! Instead looking at themselves. That’s not good leadership. What are you teaching the young men you coach and go to school at Desales? If it doesn’t go your way blame everyone else?

Hopefully they put their egos in check and think about the damage they have done by playing these players. There are a group of senior football players at Desales that did nothing wrong and will never get this past season back!

[HS Sports Supporter]

Lets end the "what ifs", the "whys" and "why nots". Why does Section V not live up to its responsibility, as Section VI In Skaenateles did, and investigate it.. Of course, with an impartial panel, who knows no one AT GHS OR DHS. Too bad, that aint gonna happen!

[lbcoach45]

However, it still doesn't explain the difference between both sets of documents provided by Geneva to DeSales. There is usually a simple explanation to most problems, but I haven't heard one that explains this discrepancy. DeSales should have been able to rely upon the documents provided by Geneva when making the eligibility decision. When this document proves to be faulty, you have to question why and how this happened. Especially when so many kids were adversely affected and saw their entire season go down the drain.

This has already been pointed out, but the Geneva kid cost them one game. The other kid cost them 5 (3 wins) and that's alright because DeSales was confused? I'd be much more upset about that and the explanation than the kid from Geneva.

An AD should do his/her job and investigate a transfer. The AD's I've worked with call the old school so this type of thing doesn't happen. Doesn't sound like that happened in this case.

For a very small school that prides themselves on the small environment and knowing their kids, I'm surprised no one knew either of these players were in their 5th year of high school.

[lbcoach45]

Lets end the "what ifs", the "whys" and "why nots". Why does Section V not live up to its responsibility, as Section VI In Skaenateles did, and investigate it.. Of course, with an impartial panel, who knows no one AT GHS OR DHS. Too bad, that aint gonna happen!

Section V did not investigate because DeSales pulled their appeal. No appeal, no investigation. Section V considers this a moot point, unless DeSales pursues it.

[HS Sports Supporter]

Section V did not investigate because DeSales pulled their appeal. No appeal, no investigation. Section V considers this a moot point, unless DeSales pursues it.

Appeal what? According to the article, they never mde a decision. What was there to appeal?

[scotsfan]

Section V did not investigate because DeSales pulled their appeal. No appeal, no investigation. Section V considers this a moot point, unless DeSales pursues it.
Will they have a team next season?

[lbcoach45]

Appeal what? According to the article, they never mde a decision. What was there to appeal?

The below paragraph is from the article. They were going to appeal the forfeit.

As DeSales was preparing its appeal, the school was hit with more bad news. A second player was deemed ineligible. DeSales officials were quick to admit this second incident was a result of their own bookkeeping errors. The student had transferred back and forth several times, creating some confusion. Now the team was forced to forfeit more games. Since it would have to forfeit the first three games, the original appeal, essentially, became meaningless and ground to a halt.

[lbcoach45]

Will they have a team next season?

I would think so.

[toadhead25]

Will they have a team next season?

I hear a few guys from the 85 niners are available. We can lose some transcripts and nobody will notice a gap in schooling from1979 till 2012.

[HS Sports Supporter]

I hear a few guys from the 85 niners are available. We can lose some transcripts and nobody will notice a gap in schooling from1979 till 2012.

Your humor speaks volumes--Dont give up your day job!!

[fera42]

Will they have a team next season?

No question. They will have a team and should be pretty good.

[daillest]

I would think so.

whos even coaching these guys next year i heard awhile ago they were lookin for change

[lbcoach45]

whos even coaching these guys next year i heard awhile ago they were lookin for change

I heard that there is a change being made, but this is second hand.

[flhoops]

I heard that there is a change being made, but this is second hand.

...ad in the FL Times this AM for a "volunteer Head Football Coach" at DeSales. Many will view this as a move in the right direction in restoring some integrity in the football program there.