Monroe Counties

[lovetocheer]

Who won in each of the divisions today.

[cheermom]

I only know division 1 so far.

1. Fairport
2. Thomas
3. Pittsford

[Cheerlove12]

Division 2 was

1. Gates
2. Greece Arcadia
3. Brockport

[cheercheercheer]

are there score sheets somewhere online? how do you know they got 10's on difficulty?

[sectivonvcheer]

I did not see counties but i heard nothing but bad things about the judging. I got to see Webster Thomas' performance on youtube and it was absolutely amazing and there was nothing wrong about it. On the other hand Fairport drops and wins. Thomas got a violation that they did not do just for the judges to justify their decision. This judging is getting out of hand and needs to change.From the beginning of year the judges pick their favorite team and stick with it. Its the same thing over and over again and its getting ridiculous. Section V teams are starting to go out of Rochester to compete and that is just terrible that our judges can't just be fair. Congrats to all the teams so far this season.

[cheercheercheer]

fairport only dropped one stunt and i don't think thomas dropped a bow...i heard lots of rumors yesterday too but none were true so who knows!

[Lovez2cheer2014]

Division 3:
Brighton
Batavia
Eastridge

[lovetocheer]

It sounds like they need a separate judge to evaluate what the teams are doing in relation to the grid. Then that judge tells the other judges what range the scores can fall into.

[SUbasketball]

I am hoping the Section 5 Committee reads this: The judging in Monroe County is a complete and utter embarrassment. Now that we are a sport we MUST demand that there be some integrity to this process. We have no idea who these judges are, where they live, cheered in the past, coached in the past and mothered. They decide completely who wins and who loses every week. Is there an evaluation system for them, how are they recruited, how are they trained, who does the followup on their performance and how often do they have to be re-certified. Here is a perfect example of the glaring problems with the judging. Look at the score sheets for GRC, they are up on their website, then watch the video. One judge gave Fairport a perfect score. (Now before anyone gets crazy this is just one example of hundreds but it is so glaring I am using it.) I think Fairport is an awesome team and deserves every bit of recognition they get. They have performed routines that have knocked our socks off time and time again, this was not one of them, a dropped stunt and some mistakes which still gives them a great routine just by the sheer difficulty of what they can do but not perfect. So did anyone go to that judge and say "explain your thought process" then send them back to judges school. A perfect score should mean perfection in Monroe County not how much I like you. When they added Webster's score wrong why didn't they fix that? They should have to fix their mistake and when we do start competing in regionals and states will it still be OK to make mistakes and then not fix them. Ask yourself if this happened in sectionals for a soccer game would the coaches just say "oh you recorded the score wrong but it's OK just let the other team go on to the next level, we don't mind". I think we all know the answer to that so why do we accept less for our girls. Most days we walk away knowing who won and who didn't and when the scores are close we can live with that but yesterday when teams have already won before they walk in the door it cheapens the process for the winners and the losers.

PS: Penfield dropped their bow not Webster and did lose 10 points, it's right on the video. That sucks but they were fun to watch, they have a great routine this year.

[sectivonvcheer]

Embarrassment is a perfect way to describe these judges. Its all become who you know and who likes a team better. Its always the same judges at every competition who screw the same teams over and over again. They all have connections and its not going un-noticed. Do they think people don't know that yesterday the violation judge cheered at fairport and her mom is one of the main judges , when Thomas gets a "violation" that they didn't do, just to help fairport win. Also its ironic that they allow they old Kearney coach and another Kearney cheerleader on the greater Rochester panel. There should be out of town judges, no matter what there will always be connections when they're local and it just isn't fair. Even if these judges dont judge a team it still does not look professional when they are sitting on the panel.

[cheerobsessed4]

It was definitely a crazy competition. i have some very good friends on Fairport and they were shocked when they won. i think everyone, even Fairport was expecting Thomas to win. I personally think it should have gone to Thomas, and i bleed RED! I do have to defend fairport here some though. A lot of people base a routine off of stunting saying Fairport should not have won because they dropped two (yes, it was two) stunts. you really need to look at a score sheet and see that stunting is not the only thing on there. Fairport hits the score sheet perfectly and that is how they come out on top, they max out everywhere. people saying Fairport wins because their the judges favorites is absolutely ridiculous and rude, you are taking away the success of a VERY good team that worked extremely hard for that win.
Some people may have noticed that Fairports routine was different this week compared to the last two weeks. they had a flyer break her tailbone at practice this week and they had to change their routine in about 4 hours. They did the best they could this weekend considering the circumstances and it was a very bittersweet win for them.

[cheerobsessed4]

Embarrassment is a perfect way to describe these judges. Its all become who you know and who likes a team better. Its always the same judges at every competition who screw the same teams over and over again. They all have connections and its not going un-noticed. Do they think people don't know that yesterday the violation judge cheered at fairport and her mom is one of the main judges , when Thomas gets a "violation" that they didn't do, just to help fairport win. Also its ironic that they allow they old Kearney coach and another Kearney cheerleader on the greater Rochester panel. There should be out of town judges, no matter what there will always be connections when they're local and it just isn't fair. Even if these judges dont judge a team it still does not look professional when they are sitting on the panel.
This comment is SO wrong. if you haven't noticed Fairport does not need "help" to win and trust me they don't want it. they can do that on their own just like they have for years. if you add that 10 point violation back into Websters score Fairport still would have won.

[cheercheercheer]

Scoresheets are different at every competition though. I think teams aren't to be blamed, it should be the judges and the scoresheets created for counties this year. They're even more ridiculous than last year's. But if Gates's win was set-up i don't think those girls would have been so happy like how they were when they heard their name yesterday. Every team did amazing, but its the littlest things that can cost you valuable points unfortunately.

[cheercheercheer]

This comment is SO wrong. if you haven't noticed Fairport does not need "help" to win and trust me they don't want it. they can do that on their own just like they have for years. if you add that 10 point violation back into Websters score Fairport still would have won.

you're so right! people are bashing on other teams as if the win yesterday was such a surprise and could have never happened. the 3 teams yesterday that won, have been on top for past seasons and are known for being really good.

[Lovez2cheer2014]

Batavia did awesome. Earlier in the week they lost a flyer then the day before counties they lost a back/tumbler so basically they had about 3-4 hours of practice and changing and still managed to earn 2nd place. I think EVERY team at the competition did a fantastic job and everyone should be proud/happy! :-)

[lovetocheer]

It seems like judges just make random crap up and put it on the score sheets to help teams win. Like say, how they said spencerport had NO TUCKS OR LAYOUTS. They literally wrote that they only had BHS's and gave them a 7 for difficulty when they had at least 6 tucks and 2 layouts, 3 standing tucks.

You don't get credit for having those skills unless there is a majority of team members performing them when you work within a grid.

[Cheerlove12]

I believe that next year counties should definatly get moved to a neutral place for all teams because it isn't fair that gates holds counties and miraculously always wins. They didn't do anything that diserved a 10 on difficulty. Greece Arcadia should have came in first and not gates. They had a perfect routine that was very entertaining and definatly had good difficulty. The same thing happened last year Greece Arcadia came in second to gates by of course .5.

[lovetocheer]

THANK YOU!! & Yeah last year was a joke too. A neutral location like RIT needs to be agreed upon. It's also ridiculous that all of the gates committee was running the whole competitiOn like it was theirs too...

It amazes me that when there is no difficulty on the score sheet many people on here complain about the judging, and the same is true when there is difficulty scored. It is the responsibility of the coaches to help with organizing the county tournament, and to insist on judges that understand the scoring. If they did not do that before hand then the problems are as much their fault as anyone's .

[lovetocheer]

I find it funny how gates got 10s in every difficut category when if you read the scoresheets they didn't do anything that qualified as a 10. They didn't even do a toss that was a 9. To get 10s you had to have 25% of your team do the following

1. Round off back handspring fulls (running tumbling)
2. Kick double twist (tosses)
3. Double twist down (stunts)
4. Standing tucks/fulls (standing tumbling)

They did absolutely NONE of this and got 10s in ever SINGLE difficulty category when teams throwing kick twists and double downs and tucks and layouts didn't get the difficulty points. I'm not saying they should not have place cause they had a great performance, but it's not fair to teams that worked so hard to put difficulty in their routines get lower than what they should have and have gates doing SLOPPY single twists and ONE LAYOUT get 10s when they didn't deserve them. 6 random 10s where they should've got 8s or 9s doesn't make sense.

COUTIES SHOULD NOT BE HELD AT A HIGH SCHOOL, and if you are going to have a difficulty scoresheet then FOLLOW IT and don't award random points for skills a team did NOT do.

I know 100% that teams had 7 or 8 girls throwing perfect tucks and layouts to have the judges say o the scoresheets say they only did back handsprings and had NO FLIPS.

It is really hard to believe all of this. Just sayin'

[sectivonvcheer]

This comment is SO wrong. if you haven't noticed Fairport does not need "help" to win and trust me they don't want it. they can do that on their own just like they have for years. if you add that 10 point violation back into Websters score Fairport still would have won.

Im not bashing any team. I am not even from Thomas nor was I there yesterday. And yes fairport i an amazing team and has been for a number of years now but i just believe the judging is getting out of hand. I believe after seeing video that Thomas deserved it yesterday. Not bashing fairport because with their troubles and injuries they still did a good job yesterday but just giving recognition where its due.

[cacmom]

Not here to bash anyone,or any team.Just want to share my opinion.I'm not a judge, nor a coach..but a mom of 2 cheerleaders who put their heart and soul into everything they do when it comes to cheerleading. I attended fall sectionals and spoke my peace about that. I also attended counties, my question is..When is Webster Thomas going to get the recognition that they deserve? That team has showed flawless performances this year..I know each team works hard, they are all dealing with illness, injuries..etc..but reguardless..the routine you put out on that floor should be a show, it should be the best it can be no matter what. Fairport is an amazing team..no doubt..but I couldn't agree more that the judges need to judge fairly when it comes to the 2:30 that is put on the floor in front of them on that day. It isn't about what teams "can do"...it is about what they "do" that should count. ! I applaud Webster for coming out once again and giving it their all, performing a beautiful routine with all their heart and putting on an AMAZING peformance for the audience...hopefully we will see their amazing talent again at sectionals! I say...don't back down to section 5..show them what you've got...and let the rest live up to it!! Go Webster Thomas! Regardless of your "placement"..you are AMAZING!!! Keep it up..I love to watch your team and look forward to seeing you at sectionals.

[cheerfan29]

I first want to congratulate all teams, I thought many teams have stepped up their game and there were a bunch of great performances. I am a former cheerleader and coached for a few years in a different area and just enjoy going to these competitions for the past couple of years as the quality is so much better than where I am from. I know that people are pretty upset about the results, but what is new...this will always be a problem. I know that people will continue to complain about the judges, however, if you brought in a different set from out of town, there would still be complaints. I believe that the change in the score sheets and the difficulty aspect is what has so many people confused with the results. It is also obvious that the safety judges took their jobs very seriously and if infractions where seen they received deductions. Personally I saw a lot of inverted doubles, and although I missed the bow on the floor during penfields routine, that IS a deduction. All that said this is what I observed. I thought Spencerport was very strong and was surprised they did not place, but I also thought Gates, even though they are slow and a little boring most of the time, was going to be near the top as well. I don't have access to the score sheets so Lauren, I assume that what you are saying is true and Gates received some unwarranted 10's. I was thrilled to see Brighton win, well deserved in their division. As for the other, I thought Webster Thomas was very good, they did very well, lots of personality and yes they hit all their stunts. I actually preferred Penfields routine over Webster, so was dissappointed that they received deductions. As for Fairport, yes they dropped a stunt, but with these difficulity scoresheets it certainly would not remove them from a chance of winning. I have seen them preform it better, however, they still have the best tumbling, jumps (3 in a row!!) and flawless transitions. In my eyes no one beats them there. I had no idea which of the 3 would take it, thought is would be very close and wondering if anyone knows what scores would have been without the deductions assessed to these 3 teams.

I contnue to be impressed with the cheerleading in this area, just be thankful your not cheering somewhere where you have to use pom poms and signs and such....so boring!!!!

[cheerobsessed4]

Im not bashing any team. I am not even from Thomas nor was I there yesterday. And yes fairport i an amazing team and has been for a number of years now but i just believe the judging is getting out of hand. I believe after seeing video that Thomas deserved it yesterday. Not bashing fairport because with their troubles and injuries they still did a good job yesterday but just giving recognition where its due.
I know you aren't bashing any team but when you say that the judges are helping Fairport win i just think that is extremely wrong. Fairport won on their own fair and square. it is not right to knock down a teams win by saying they were helped when they were not. I do agree with you, i think Thomas should have won, and many people from fairport would say the same. they had an amazing day and i feel so bad for them that they are never rewarded. hopefully all teams will bring their best to sectionals and then we can really see who "deserves" to win!
ETA: this is not the first time Fairport has dropped a stunt and still won. in 2010 they dropped at both counties and Greater Rochester and still took home first. why? because they HIT the score sheet everywhere else. stunts is not the determining factor of who wins, teams need to be flawless everywhere.

[cheergirl57]

This is why I think adding difficulty to the scoresheets is a problem... unless they have exact, specific guidelines they must follow to get the required points. I personally would rather watch a team hit stunts and tumbling they can do clean and precise then attempt difficult stunts/tumbling and fall or be sloppy. I did not attend counties but have seen Spencerport at various other competitions and was really impressed by them everywhere else. Did they drop or mess up or get a safety deduction? why didn't they place?

[cheerobsessed4]

This is why I think adding difficulty to the scoresheets is a problem... unless they have exact, specific guidelines they must follow to get the required points. I personally would rather watch a team hit stunts and tumbling they can do clean and precise then attempt difficult stunts/tumbling and fall or be sloppy. I did not attend counties but have seen Spencerport at various other competitions and was really impressed by them everywhere else. Did they drop or mess up or get a safety deduction? why didn't they place?
I disagree. i don't want to watch high school girls do a routine that 9-10 year old girls could do no problem. I like difficulty and the teams that have difficulty should be rewarded for it. a team that does 3 fulls and twist downs should not get the same score as a team that does 5 tic tocs, scorpians, heelstreches and double downs.

[lovetocheer]

I seriously think 9 or 10 year olds would have a problem performing any of the routines that were displayed at the Monroe County League Competition. Unless of course it was all-stars where they had 16 year old girls putting up 9 and 10 year old flyers.

In high school cheerleading they work with kids of their own age, and that itself adds to the difficulty. And there is much, much more to cheerleading than the stunts and tumbling, although a person's perception of the performance is usually based on those things.

[lovetocheer]

I first want to congratulate all teams, I thought many teams have stepped up their game and there were a bunch of great performances. I am a former cheerleader and coached for a few years in a different area and just enjoy going to these competitions for the past couple of years as the quality is so much better than where I am from. I know that people are pretty upset about the results, but what is new...this will always be a problem. I know that people will continue to complain about the judges, however, if you brought in a different set from out of town, there would still be complaints. I believe that the change in the score sheets and the difficulty aspect is what has so many people confused with the results. It is also obvious that the safety judges took their jobs very seriously and if infractions where seen they received deductions. Personally I saw a lot of inverted doubles, and although I missed the bow on the floor during penfields routine, that IS a deduction. All that said this is what I observed. I thought Spencerport was very strong and was surprised they did not place, but I also thought Gates, even though they are slow and a little boring most of the time, was going to be near the top as well. I don't have access to the score sheets so Lauren, I assume that what you are saying is true and Gates received some unwarranted 10's. I was thrilled to see Brighton win, well deserved in their division. As for the other, I thought Webster Thomas was very good, they did very well, lots of personality and yes they hit all their stunts. I actually preferred Penfields routine over Webster, so was dissappointed that they received deductions. As for Fairport, yes they dropped a stunt, but with these difficulity scoresheets it certainly would not remove them from a chance of winning. I have seen them preform it better, however, they still have the best tumbling, jumps (3 in a row!!) and flawless transitions. In my eyes no one beats them there. I had no idea which of the 3 would take it, thought is would be very close and wondering if anyone knows what scores would have been without the deductions assessed to these 3 teams.

I contnue to be impressed with the cheerleading in this area, just be thankful your not cheering somewhere where you have to use pom poms and signs and such....so boring!!!!

I loved Penfield's routine as well. They incorporated the difficulty with a routine that was so much fun to watch.

[cheerobsessed4]

I loved Penfield's routine as well. They incorporated the difficulty with a routine that was so much fun to watch.
Penfield stepped it up big time this year! i have been very impressed with them at the competitions i have seen them at.

[varsitycheerr]

i saw greece athena this greece athena and i thought did awesome and deserve better! gates chili was nothing special they DID NOT! have the difficaulty and arcadia had a wobble in the back of the big stunt!

[varsitycheerr]

I find it funny how gates got 10s in every difficut category when if you read the scoresheets they didn't do anything that qualified as a 10. They didn't even do a toss that was a 9. To get 10s you had to have 25% of your team do the following

1. Round off back handspring fulls (running tumbling)
2. Kick double twist (tosses)
3. Double twist down (stunts)
4. Standing tucks/fulls (standing tumbling)

They did absolutely NONE of this and got 10s in ever SINGLE difficulty category when teams throwing kick twists and double downs and tucks and layouts didn't get the difficulty points. I'm not saying they should not have place cause they had a great performance, but it's not fair to teams that worked so hard to put difficulty in their routines get lower than what they should have and have gates doing SLOPPY single twists and ONE LAYOUT get 10s when they didn't deserve them. 6 random 10s where they should've got 8s or 9s doesn't make sense.

COUTIES SHOULD NOT BE HELD AT A HIGH SCHOOL, and if you are going to have a difficulty scoresheet then FOLLOW IT and don't award random points for skills a team did NOT do.

I know 100% that teams had 7 or 8 girls throwing perfect tucks and layouts to have the judges say o the scoresheets say they only did back handsprings and had NO FLIPS.

You are exactly right they shouldnt have won they did not have the difficaulty!!!

[cheercheercheer]

Thank you! Yet somehow they got 10s in every category? Lol doesn't make sense. Spencerport beats them at every competition then when it's held at gates and run by gates, they win and spencerport doesn't even place.... It happens every year to us and it's ridiculous.

but it was not just Gates Chili who beat Spencerport, there were 3 other teams who beat their score too. and if anything i think they should be more surprised that those 3 teams beat them

[lovetocheer]

They gave higher than deserved difficulty scores to basically every team besides spencerport. The judges said we had no tumbling other then BHS when we have at least 5 tucks, 3 standing tucks, a standing BHS to layout, 3 layouts, and jumps to tuck. They gave us a 7 on difficulty for tumbling and gates a 10 when they only have 1 layout and if I remember correctly a few tucks and MAYBE one standing tuck? The counties competition last year and this year have purposely low balled spencerport in difficulty when we had the difficulty both years. It's ridiculous to think that spencerport has beat gates at every competition this winter, even at GRC when a difficulty scoring system was in place and judged effectively, yet when the comp. is at gates, they win and somehow spencerport doesn't place? Smells fishy to me.

People were in an uproar about Thomas at sections and honestly I think there should be the same if not more lashing out about this because literally the physical scoresheets show obvious judging mistakes and blatant inconsistencies. Let me reiterate, to get a 10 for difficulty you had to have 25% of your team do the following

Tosses/pyramid - kick double or 1 legged stunts with multiple transitions
Jumps- 3 jumps to flip
Running tumbling - round off BHS full twisting layout
Standing tumbling - tucks/fulls/standing BHS to layout or full
Stunts - 1 legged with 3 body positions with a double down

Gates got perfect 10s across the board and did not have even one person or stunt group do any of these skills. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?!

Scan and post the scores like you said you would. Make this public and
Aybe the judges will understand the importance of it.

[Cheerlove12]

i saw greece athena this greece athena and i thought did awesome and deserve better! gates chili was nothing special they DID NOT! have the difficaulty and arcadia had a wobble in the back of the big stunt!

Greece Athena did really good. But Greece Arcadias wobble didnt even effect them because it kinda looked it was supposed to happen. And everything was on point and perfect so it didnt even phase anything.
I still dont understand how Gates got all 10's on difficulty when they didnt have a full or a kick double toss.

[cheerloverxo4]

In division 2, all teams did very good. Athena had a good routine and from what i heard, they would have gotten 3rd if the violation wasn't there. Greece Arcadia had an amazing performance, much better from Greater Rochester. Gates Chili is very clean and had a good performance but they clearly had home court advantage. They got 10's in all categories yet had no standing tucks, no fulls, no double twists and no kick double let alone a kick full. The placing really should have been 1. Greece Arcadia 2. Brockport 3. Gates Chili. Counties should be held someone where neutral just like how sectionals is. Congradulations to all the teams. Good luck at sectionals.

[Cheerleading1]

Counties this past weekend was a joke. To agree with the other post's, it is always the same judges who have their favorites and clearly have teams they hate. Thomas should have won hands down, fairport was not as exciting as them and they did drop. But according the the score sheet, that doesnt matter. If a competition is going to be based on difficulty, the divisions need to be made like greater rochester so everyone is on the same playing field.

[cheerfan29]

Still wondering if anyone has the scores of Div 1 without the deductions...

Also, I hardly thought Thomas should have won hands down, but I did think it was going to be very close. As I stated in an earlier post I actually preferred Penfields routine to Thomas. But all 3, Penfield, Thomas and Fairport should have been very close in scoring and if Fairport had not dropped, they would have been my easy pick for 1st as they have superior tumbling, very stong stunting and jumps and seamless transitions. I think that Thomas has a more in your face dance style with great energy.

[cheeralumni9]

As a cheerleading alumni, I still follow Section V cheerleading religiously. The world of cheerleading as a whole has gotten to be super competitive, time consuming and the level of difficulty increases every single year. With that being said, I do not under stand the judging to this day. If you do not execute a near perfect routine, you are not the best nor are you flawless, therefore should not necessarily win. In the past, I know Fairport has fallen at Counties, yet the judges still have given them a 10 on their score sheets stating "who cares you guys are still sick." Fairports level of difficulty is insane no doubt, but in no way is it ok to award a team who drops a stunt a 10 because they are "sick". But the definition of perfect does not necessarily making your routine "easier". I do not see how in any way it make sense when teams do not put any form of difficulty in their routines. Throwing easy tumbling passes with less than half their team tumbling, flyers not all flying on the same leg, having high v's and low v's make up your "dance" in your routine just does not make any sense to me. Gates Chili displays these qualities to me as an observer. If you want to be the best you need to push yourself to work hard and execute harder skills. When there are teams throwing clean routines, are fun and exciting to watch, those are the teams that should win. I do not mean to throw any team under the bus by posting this, but I think people need to face the reality of cheerleading. You should not be considered a Monroe County or Section V Champ by throwing a mediocre routine.

[fptcheer44]

As a cheerleading alumni, I still follow Section V cheerleading religiously. The world of cheerleading as a whole has gotten to be super competitive, time consuming and the level of difficulty increases every single year. With that being said, I do not under stand the judging to this day. If you do not execute a near perfect routine, you are not the best nor are you flawless, therefore should not necessarily win. In the past, I know Fairport has fallen at Counties, yet the judges still have given them a 10 on their score sheets stating "who cares you guys are still sick." Fairports level of difficulty is insane no doubt, but in no way is it ok to award a team who drops a stunt a 10 because they are "sick". But the definition of perfect does not necessarily making your routine "easier". I do not see how in any way it make sense when teams do not put any form of difficulty in their routines. Throwing easy tumbling passes with less than half their team tumbling, flyers not all flying on the same leg, having high v's and low v's make up your "dance" in your routine just does not make any sense to me. Gates Chili displays these qualities to me as an observer. If you want to be the best you need to push yourself to work hard and execute harder skills. When there are teams throwing clean routines, are fun and exciting to watch, those are the teams that should win. I do not mean to throw any team under the bus by posting this, but I think people need to face the reality of cheerleading. You should not be considered a Monroe County or Section V Champ by throwing a mediocre routine.
I can say with 100% certainty that this has never been on one of our score sheets.

[cheeralumni9]

I can say with 100% certainty that this has never been on one of our score sheets.

That wasn't my point at all. I am a huge Fairport fan, I just don't think it is right to get a 10 on stunts when you fall, regardless of your skill level if you don't execute it correctly.

[lovetocheer]

That wasn't my point at all. I am a huge Fairport fan, I just don't think it is right to get a 10 on stunts when you fall, regardless of your skill level if you don't execute it correctly.

There probably should have been a one point deduction from each judge for stunt execution. There could however be a score of 10 for difficulty on stunts, if they performed the skills required.

[fptcheer44]

That wasn't my point at all. I am a huge Fairport fan, I just don't think it is right to get a 10 on stunts when you fall, regardless of your skill level if you don't execute it correctly.
We don't get 10's if we don't deserve 10's. we get 10's for difficulty yes but we get points off on execution if something goes wrong, we always have.

[cheeralumni9]

We don't get 10's if we don't deserve 10's. we get 10's for difficulty yes but we get points off on execution if something goes wrong, we always have.

I've heard otherwise, and I think you're taking this the wrong way. I am just saying the judging system isn't correct from the past and needs to be changed so it isn't biased and everything is fair.