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UNCTarheels
01-17-2008, 01:27 PM
Prattsburgh-Currently 13-1 and #2 in the State in Class D, Have won 13 in a row since dropping their first game of the season to Batavia Notre-Dame. Their last two wins have been huge avenging the loss to Notre-Dame and defeating League Rival Campbell-Savona who they haven't beaten in Ten Years. Wade Fuller is the leading Candidate for Steuben County League M.V.P and is having a fantastic Senior Season, Fellow Seniors Dougie Lewis & Marshell Stanley are also having great seasons and have stepped up big when it matters. Sophomore Garrett Parker has emerged as a top player in the league and they're getting key contributions from Role Players like Senior Logan Wheeler & Juniors Ryan Caron, Brandon Smith & Zach Burke and Sophomore Patrick Wightman has also played very well off the bench. Big wins like the past two is a big confidence booster for the Vikings as they've passed the mid-Season Tests and are now awaiting the County Tournament and Sectionals. Things are looking very good for the Vikings right now. Can anyone in Class D Slow them down? Can Coach Burke Capture another Sectional Title?

Houghton-Currently 8-1 and Honorable Mention in the State Rankings, after their Annual "Break" where they don't play for 3 weeks. Quietly sitting in 2nd place in sectional points with really nobody talking about them much. Good mix of youth and expericence with Sr. Trent Shatto who's in his 4th year of Varsity Basketball, paired with Super Sohomores Jake Merrill, Jimmy Estruch & Tyler Mastin who've been given the nickname "Young Guns" by their fan club. Juniors Greg Wright & Brian Kim are two other key players for them. They have a questionable schedule so until they play someone good we don't know how good they really are, their only victory over a team with a winning record is their win last weekend over Andover who's a league opponent who also plays generally weak competition. If Houghton is for real we'll know soon as they play Fillmore Twice and plays Northstar in their Tournament in a few weeks.

Northstar 10-3 and on a roll after a slow start, led by Jaanai Beckford the 6'4" 210 Senior forward is a Double & Triple Double threat just about everytime out on the floor. Beckford has already put up huge numbers this season and is tough to stop at the Class D level. The Knights are starting to get solid production out of Senior Guard Dave Valle, Valle known more for what he does on the Baseball field just had two monster back-to-back games Scoring 39 in a win Saturday and 25 in a win Tuesday if he could develop into a solid compliment to Beckford he may just be what puts Northstar over the top. Point Guard Donnie Harris is also starting to play much better and his play will be key to how Northstar does in sectionals. After back-to-back runner up finishes in Class D can Northstar make the 3rd time the charm? Can Beckfod lead his boys to the Title? Does Northstar have enought "Fire Power" to beat Prattsburgh?

Andover -Currently 12-3 and Honorable Mention in the State Rankings. Have a pretty impressive record but I personally question their schedule, although part of it is the league they play in which they have no control over. Led By Junior guards Josh Brubaker & Seth Shay along with Senior Cliff Carl giving The Panthers have a solid Backcourt, Forward Jesse McCutcheon has put up some solid numbers. Should end up with a very good record as the only opponent remaining on their schedule that should give them a problem is Houghton who's beaten them once. We'll see how they do in Sectionals as their weak schedule may mean an early exit in Sectionals.

Canaseraga-Only 5-8 but Could be a sleeper pick as they play in a tough league, the exact opposite of Andover, who they defeated early in the season. Playing League games vs. Prattsburgh (13-1) J-T (11-1) Canisteo-Greenwood (9-2) & Campbell-Savona (9-6) will only make you better. And despite the Tough league schedule Canaseraga went out and scheduling a tough non-league game vs. Houghton. Led by Senior Guard T.J Dunning who's averaging close to 20 points per game and a couple of tough running mates in Logan Spike & Tyler Clancy Canaseraga is a team you may not want to take lightly.

ref11
01-17-2008, 01:38 PM
prattsburg should win beating houghton in the finals.andovers schedule non league was made up last march there tourny is lock in and pick up akport tourny. non league with alfred-almond who known then there 3 best players didint go out. lima is not that bad. avoca tough when they have a gym play inn. fillmore 2 times. so you just dont know who will be could in march when planning the follwing years schedule

UNCTarheels
01-17-2008, 01:54 PM
prattsburg should win beating houghton in the finals.andovers schedule non league was made up last march there tourny is lock in and pick up akport tourny. non league with alfred-almond who known then there 3 best players didint go out. lima is not that bad. avoca tough when they have a gym play inn. fillmore 2 times. so you just dont know who will be could in march when planning the follwing years schedule

I'm aware of that, so I hope that their coach & A.D are looking at the fact that Brubaker, Shay & McCutcheon are all going to be back along with 6 other guys and from the sounds of it a Good J.V squad. So hopefully at least Alfred-Almond is off the schedule and he tries to pick up some tougher games.

As far as their Tip-Off tournament, that's not too bad but Why invite Belfast when you see them two or three times a year already?

DSport
01-17-2008, 02:35 PM
prattsburg should win beating houghton in the finals.andovers schedule non league was made up last march there tourny is lock in and pick up akport tourny. non league with alfred-almond who known then there 3 best players didint go out. lima is not that bad. avoca tough when they have a gym play inn. fillmore 2 times. so you just dont know who will be could in march when planning the follwing years schedule

I think it will be Prattsburgh over Northstar in the finals. You never know though, and that's what makes it so much fun.

superheroaj
01-17-2008, 03:19 PM
Prattsburgh will win Class D with a host of challengers trying to meet them in the final.

Mark my words though, look out for Lima Christian as they could cause some serious havoc. They could only give Prattsburgh a good game but I firmly believe they could beat anyone else. Matt Lochner is one of the best shooters in the section (not just the class) and Josh Arnold can put points in bunches. They aren't the most athletic, toughest, deepest, best pressure team around but they are smart, have good ball handlers and can shoot the lights out.

UNCTarheels
01-17-2008, 03:23 PM
Prattsburgh will win Class D with a host of challengers trying to meet them in the final.

Mark my words though, look out for Lima Christian as they could cause some serious havoc. They could only give Prattsburgh a good game but I firmly believe they could beat anyone else. Matt Lochner is one of the best shooters in the section (not just the class) and Josh Arnold can put points in bunches. They aren't the most athletic, toughest, deepest, best pressure team around but they are smart, have good ball handlers and can shoot the lights out.

My first Game of the year was Lima Christian/Romulus and Lima was not very impressive but to their credit it was their 2nd game of the year. I did see Lochner score some points and am aware of his ability.

As a team though Lima has been pretty inconsistent They beat Perry a team they probably shouldn't beat and Northstar, but then lose to other teams they should beat. Time will tell...............

ref11
01-17-2008, 04:32 PM
belfast was in the andover tourny because andover in there soccer tourny the sullivan connection plus the a.d. sent email to evru c and d school in the area most schools said the tourny was to early

sflcards45
01-17-2008, 04:35 PM
After last night Prattsburgh gets my vote. They just don't make mistakes. And it all starts at the point. There's not enough you can say about Wade - he is what you dream kids will become when you pull them up early. All of that experience is paying off for him now. Takes smart shots, tough on the pull up, lightning quick, very competitive, words hard on the defensive end, and understands time/score situations.

The bigs did a nice job using the adjustments made at halftime last night. Parker is obviously a threat. Wheeler had a nice game off the bench.

And of course, Coach Burke as master motivator and his staff don't hurt.

ref301
01-18-2008, 06:18 AM
Prattsburgh is the team to beat. Saw Northstar early in the year and other than Beckford, were unimpressive. It appears, however, that they are getting their act together and I'll go see them near the end of the season. Is Valle that good? Andover and Houghton match up in the last week of the regular season. That game will definitely give an indication of each team's chances come Sectionals.

DSport
01-18-2008, 08:36 AM
After last night Prattsburgh gets my vote. They just don't make mistakes. And it all starts at the point. There's not enough you can say about Wade - he is what you dream kids will become when you pull them up early. All of that experience is paying off for him now. Takes smart shots, tough on the pull up, lightning quick, very competitive, words hard on the defensive end, and understands time/score situations.

The bigs did a nice job using the adjustments made at halftime last night. Parker is obviously a threat. Wheeler had a nice game off the bench.

And of course, Coach Burke as master motivator and his staff don't hurt.

I remember 3 or 4 years ago screaming because of silly mistakes Wade was making. He was a gifted athlete back then but the experience and good coaching has taught him to play smart.

VbballV10
01-18-2008, 02:55 PM
prattsburgh will keep on winnig but they can be beat sometime.They are not unstopable

sectionVhoops30
01-18-2008, 06:24 PM
My first Game of the year was Lima Christian/Romulus and Lima was not very impressive but to their credit it was their 2nd game of the year. I did see Lochner score some points and am aware of his ability.

As a team though Lima has been pretty inconsistent They beat Perry a team they probably shouldn't beat and Northstar, but then lose to other teams they should beat. Time will tell...............


is that matt kid the one who quit Cairo's AAU team from the summer?

DSport
01-19-2008, 08:29 AM
prattsburgh will keep on winnig but they can be beat sometime.They are not unstopable

I think we learned that last year with Fillmore pulling the upset over them. They can be beat but they are the favorite.

ref11
01-19-2008, 10:40 AM
i see norhstar loss last night big loss for them you dont want to be the 4 th seed in sectionals stay 2 or 3 you wouldnt see prarttsburg to the finals

BBalla32
01-19-2008, 12:32 PM
yea, Matt Lochner was on the RAP Cairo team this summer but he quit... I think if he was one of the best shooters in the section he'd be able to put up at least 15 pts on any given team, but that hasn't been the case. No doubt if Lima shoots well they have a chance, but I don't think they have enough other factors to win if someone defends their shooting well

secvball
01-19-2008, 04:42 PM
i see norhstar loss last night big loss for them you dont want to be the 4 th seed in sectionals stay 2 or 3 you wouldnt see prarttsburg to the finals

Unbelievable game that turned scary in the third quarter. One of the player's dad and Coach Marchand's brother-in-law suffered some sort of seizure midway through the third. It was a very scary scene but fortunately he left under his own power and gave the thumbs up sign.

As for the game, after seeing Northstar play numerous times I'm under the impression that they are mostly a 3 man team. To exploit this, Finney employed a man defense that doubled Beckford at all times and left one Northstar player open. This player stayed in the corner all game, shot a few times, but I don't believe had any points. This defense also frustrated Beckford and he stayed around the perimeter almost all game. Beckford seemed much too willing to stand around the perimeter when he seems much more effective down low.

Valley played pretty well, but didn't get very many open jump shots, which had to be the gameplan for Finney. The few times I've seen Harris play, got most of his points off of the fast break and wasn't able to do this much on Friday. The other players for Northstar were pretty much non-factors on offense.

This was a huge game for both teams. A Northstar win would pretty much clinch a Private-Parochial league championship and they had a chance to do it against last year's champ and one of their main rivals. Finney, despite a sub-par record due to a tough out of conference schedule, still has a chance at a 10-10 regular season and now a chance to share of the Private-Parochial league championship (despite a "down" season with a young team) if they can beat Lima Christian.

UNCTarheels
01-24-2008, 01:12 PM
Attended the Game last night, Canaseraga is suffering from lack of numbers as they only suited up 7 guys. then Senior guard Tyler Clancy got into early foul trouble. Do to the lack of players The Indians were forced to play 2-3 zone the whole game and weren't able to apply any sort of pressure or press. It was 16-14 Houghton after one and they held a 6 point 27-21 lead at the Half. The 3rd quarter was the difference maker as Houghton exploded for 25 points and pulled away to a 52-33 advantage heading into the 4th quarter before pulling out a 64-48 win on the road.

I wasn't that impressed with Houghton, they are young as they start 3 sophomores and a Junior with one senior. However they're very deliberate with their offense. They shoot a lot of 3's and most of their offense revolves around the 3 point shot. Junior Greg Wright #32 was the best player I saw out there. Sophomore point Guard Jake Merrill is a good point guard who should be really good by his senior year. Fellow Sophomores Tyler Mastin & Jimmy Estruch are both young but if they continue to develope could both be very good by senior year.

Right now I don't think Houghton is a serious threat for the sectional title, as I think their youth will come back to haunt them come crunch time. I do think if they continue to work hard in the off season and play AAU they'll be a serious contender. Merrill is a quality point guard, not a threat to shoot from outside but loves to penetrate and dish to the 3 point shooter Wright & Estruch. Don't involve the big men much on offense they do the dirty work Boxing out & Rebounding.

Game Article: Not available online

Houghton boys dump Canaseraga, 64-48

CANASERAGA — Jimmy Estruch led four Panthers in double figures as Houghton pushed its record to 10-2 with a 64-48 road win at Canaseraga Wednesday night.
Leading by by half a dozen at the break, Coach Phil Merrill’s boys found their shooting touch in the third quarter, knocking down four threes and outscoring their hosts 25-12 to put the game out of reach.
“I thought we came out a little flat again in the first half,” said Merrill, “but hitting all those threes after that really helped get us going.”
Estruch accounted for two of his team’s total of seven three-pointers and finished with 16 points, while Trent Shatto, Greg Wright and Tyler Mastin all came through with a dozen. Point guard Jake Merrill, who came through with eight assists and seven steals, and Derek Mastin split the other 12.
For Canaseraga, which falls to 5-9 and travels to Prattsburgh tomorrow, T.J. Dunning and Logan Spike led the way with 15 points apiece.
“Greg did a really good job on Dunning,” said Coach Merrill of Wright. “He’s a heck of a scorer, but he only had nine before I sat Greg and the other starters down in the fourth quarter. Greg always draws the toughest defensive assignment.”
Houghton hosts the annual Christian schools tournament this weekend, taking on Northstar Academy Friday night and then playing either Faith Heritage of Syracuse or Webster Christian Saturday.

Houghton 16 11 25 12 — 64
Canaseraga 14 7 12 15 — 48
HOUGHTON: Jake Merrill 2 1-2 6, Trent Shatto 5 0-0 12, Greg Wright 4 2-2 12, Derek Mastin 3 0-0 6, Tyler Mastin 4 4-5 12, Jimmy Estruch 7 0-0 16. Totals: 25 7-9 64.

CANASERAGA: Forrest May 1 0-0 2, T.J. Dunning 5 5-10 15, Danny Woodring 3 0-0 7, Mike Scott 1 0-0 2, Logan Spike 6 1-3 15, Tyler Clancy 3 0-0 7. Totals: 19 6-13 48.
Three point goals: Houghton 7 (Merrill, Shatto 2, Wright 2, Estruch 2, Canaseraga 4 (Woodring, Spike 2, Clancy). Fouls: Houghton 13, Canaseraga 9 Fouled out: none.

JV game: Houghton won.

DSport
01-24-2008, 04:27 PM
I personally think Northstar is the second best team in D followed by Andover, then Houghton. It looks like Northstar might have to play Pratsburgh in the semi-finals though so that may be an early exit for Beckford, Valle, and company.

MD13
01-25-2008, 11:40 PM
Northstar beat Houghton 70-63 tonight. The game was not that close as Northstar was up double digits all game including 18 or so midway through the third quarter. Northstar missed several layups and got sloppy down the stretch or this would have been a twenty five plus point win. Houghton was very scrappy and fought hard the whole way which is a credit to their coach and team. Northstar plays Faith Heritage (III) at 3pm in the championship and Houghton will play Webster Christian in the consolation at 1:30pm later today.

UNCTarheels
01-30-2008, 10:51 AM
Houghton 47
Whitesville 54 OT
HOU - Jimmy Estruch 11; Trent Shatto 11; WHI - Coley Lewis-Ellison 10, 11 rebs; Brad Stevens 24;

Houghton has 3 tough games left vs. Finney, Fillmore & Andover so this loss hurts them badly, they're currently in the #3 spot in Sectional points, but................

Williamson 54
Northstar-Christian 65
NC - Jaanai Beckford 27 points, 16 Rebounds (made 1,000th-career reb), 11 assts, 8 blx; Donald Harris 14; Dave Valle 14; WIL - Kevin DeRue 10; Billy Hollebrandt 10;

............... With Northstars win last night the #4 seed is poised to move up, so the next couple of weeks will be interesting!

Congratulations to Jaanai Beckford on his 1,000 board!!!!

DSport
01-30-2008, 11:11 AM
I hope they do move up. I want to see a Northstar/Prattsburgh final.

DrewVT6
01-30-2008, 12:38 PM
Houghton 47
Whitesville 54 OT
HOU - Jimmy Estruch 11; Trent Shatto 11; WHI - Coley Lewis-Ellison 10, 11 rebs; Brad Stevens 24;

Houghton has 3 tough games left vs. Finney, Fillmore & Andover so this loss hurts them badly, they're currently in the #3 spot in Sectional points, but................

Williamson 54
Northstar-Christian 65
NC - Jaanai Beckford 27 points, 16 Rebounds (made 1,000th-career reb), 11 assts, 8 blx; Donald Harris 14; Dave Valle 14; WIL - Kevin DeRue 10; Billy Hollebrandt 10;

............... With Northstars win last night the #4 seed is poised to move up, so the next couple of weeks will be interesting!

Congratulations to Jaanai Beckford on his 1,000 board!!!!

I gotta tell you I'm really not surprised to see Houghton slumping and Northstar peaking at this point of the season. That is often the case with Senior led teams versus younger teams. Northstar has really been playing well lately. Much better than earlier in the season.

ace19907
02-06-2008, 07:57 PM
you all seem to be passing up one of the stronger teams in class d... Webster Christian, they have beaten finney and hammondsport. they lost to lima by one in the final seconds on a crazy 3, lost to northstar by less than 10. they play lima on thursday night, and northstar next tuesday. their chances might have been hurt after they might have lost 2 post players for the season.

DSport
02-06-2008, 10:33 PM
you all seem to be passing up one of the stronger teams in class d... Webster Christian, they have beaten finney and hammondsport. they lost to lima by one in the final seconds on a crazy 3, lost to northstar by less than 10. they play lima on thursday night, and northstar next tuesday. their chances might have been hurt after they might have lost 2 post players for the season.

They also lost to Hammondsport by 13. They may win a round or two but I don't think they could contend with Prattsburgh.

UNCTarheels
02-07-2008, 08:04 AM
you all seem to be passing up one of the stronger teams in class d... Webster Christian, they have beaten finney and hammondsport. they lost to lima by one in the final seconds on a crazy 3, lost to northstar by less than 10. they play lima on thursday night, and northstar next tuesday. their chances might have been hurt after they might have lost 2 post players for the season.

Prattsburgh beat them by 30 at there place and Wade Fuller played about 15 minutes.

Who's done for the year? Vinny Gentile & Josiah Comeau?

panther44
02-07-2008, 12:13 PM
Webster Christian may be a contender for the first couple of Rounds. But When it gets down to Northstar, Andover, Prattsburg, And Houghton they will have nowhere to go...i dont think they can beat any of those teams. Whitesville is also getting hot so everyone will have to watch out for them...

RCfan32
02-07-2008, 12:30 PM
As a spectator i can vouge for the injuries to the Webster Christian players. Last weeks game at RC Josiah Comeau dove for a ball by 2 RC defenders and may have torn an acl, or something in his knee. (paramedics said) and the other kid was a bigger strong kid #30 came off the bench, he caught an elbow from a RC player on a rebound and broke his nose, but no Vinny Gentile is still playing. and with the loses i would say their chances are slim to none in winning sectionals for class D now. With that said my favorite would have to be Northstar. Janaai Beckford is going to be too much for the other teams when it comes to sectionals and i think a Prattsburg-Northstar game would be down to the wire with NS by 2

DSport
02-07-2008, 01:46 PM
As a spectator i can vouge for the injuries to the Webster Christian players. Last weeks game at RC Josiah Comeau dove for a ball by 2 RC defenders and may have torn an acl, or something in his knee. (paramedics said) and the other kid was a bigger strong kid #30 came off the bench, he caught an elbow from a RC player on a rebound and broke his nose, but no Vinny Gentile is still playing. and with the loses i would say their chances are slim to none in winning sectionals for class D now. With that said my favorite would have to be Northstar. Janaai Beckford is going to be too much for the other teams when it comes to sectionals and i think a Prattsburg-Northstar game would be down to the wire with NS by 2

I haven't seen WC play this year but from all the stats I have read I would say that Comeau is their best player. I don't think there is any way they will have an impact if he is out. I didn't really think they were contenders with him.

MD13
02-07-2008, 11:49 PM
I know Whitesville can beat Houghton or Andover!! Does anyone who's seen them this year think they matchup well with Prattsburg in a possible semifinal game? What are their chances should this game take place?

panther44
02-08-2008, 07:29 AM
Whitesville is capable of beating anyone they play...but don't think they will get far in sectionals...If Houghton pulls together they should beat Whitesville and i think Andover can beat Whitesville on a good night. And Prattsburg can beat anyone in Section V so i dont think Whitesville will get far unless they start playing even better than they are now.

MD13
02-08-2008, 08:49 AM
Whitesville is capable of beating anyone they play...but don't think they will get far in sectionals...If Houghton pulls together they should beat Whitesville and i think Andover can beat Whitesville on a good night. And Prattsburg can beat anyone in Section V so i dont think Whitesville will get far unless they start playing even better than they are now.

Understandably you are a Houghton homer, but please clarify your statement. Your not saying Prattsburg can beat anyone in all of section v right? You mean class D? Hopefully Houghton will pull it together but for everyone else on this site; Can Whitesville give Prattsburg a game if that matchup takes place?

UNCTarheels
02-08-2008, 09:05 AM
Understandably you are a Houghton homer, but please clarify your statement. Your not saying Prattsburg can beat anyone in all of section v right? You mean class D? Hopefully Houghton will pull it together but for everyone else on this site; Can Whitesville give Prattsburg a game if that matchup takes place?

I've only seen Whitesville once this season in their second game of the season vs. Genesee-Valley in the Tip-Off Championship game. They didn't look very good that night but it was early and they were still "Finding themselves" so to speak. I noticed they had a short bench I think they were carrying 8 or 9 players. If they still have a short bench that would hinder them right off the bat, as Prattsburgh uses as many as 10 players in the first half comfortably. they're deep and they wear you down.

Whitesville is a very good team, very well coached and discplined and as a Prattsburgh fan I'd rather not see them especially when they're on a winning streak like they are now. They've been a "Thorn" in Prattsburghs side in Sectional play in the past, they've came across each other a few times and I think Whitesville's gotten the better end each time.

if the match up occurs I think Prattsburgh's depth and defense would put them over the top and they'd win by 10-15 points. Whitesville's tough schedule has helped them get to where they are now.

panther44
02-08-2008, 09:25 AM
Understandably you are a Houghton homer, but please clarify your statement. Your not saying Prattsburg can beat anyone in all of section v right? You mean class D? Hopefully Houghton will pull it together but for everyone else on this site; Can Whitesville give Prattsburg a game if that matchup takes place?

Prattsburg can beat anyone in Section V class D. I thought you would be able to understand that. And i do think if Whitesville makes it that far they can give any one a game. They would definately give Prattsburg a good game but Prattsburg would win by 7 or so...They are playing very well right now. But i think if Northstar, Andover, and Houghton all play as well as they are capable. Whitesville will not be able to beat any of them.

DSport
02-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Prattsburg can beat anyone in Section V class D. I thought you would be able to understand that. And i do think if Whitesville makes it that far they can give any one a game. They would definately give Prattsburg a good game but Prattsburg would win by 7 or so...They are playing very well right now. But i think if Northstar, Andover, and Houghton all play as well as they are capable. Whitesville will not be able to beat any of them.

Here is how I would rank the top 5 teams:
1. Prattsburgh
2. Northstar
3. Whitesville
4. Andover
5. Houghton
I think that Whitesville plays tougher competition throughout the year and that should make them a tougher out then Houghten or Andover.

panther44
02-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Here is how I would rank the top 5 teams:
1. Prattsburgh
2. Northstar
3. Whitesville
4. Andover
5. Houghton
I think that Whitesville plays tougher competition throughout the year and that should make them a tougher out then Houghten or Andover.

Can i have some examples of the tougher teams that Whitesville plays?

BB8185
02-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Whitesville has played several tough teams this year examples Romulus, Campbell-Savona, Cuba-Rushford, Genesee Valley (despite there record they always play great against whitesville) @ Finney Norhtern Potter who is probably one of the better teams they have seen. That doesn't include the league games which everyone wants to knock whitesville off so the always play a little harder.

UNCTarheels
02-08-2008, 10:57 AM
Can i have some examples of the tougher teams that Whitesville plays?

Can't speak for him but I think he meant non-league, this year they played and beat Romulus currently the #4 seed in Class DD sectionals, they played a non-league game with Genesee-Valley, they played and lost a close game to 4 time Defending CCC Champion Campbell-Savona & Played Class C Cuba-Rushford as well as Northern Potter, PA. & Defending class D state champion Finney.

Andover didn't play one c school during the season not one they played all D & DD's and didn't pick up any tough non-league games to help them prepare for sectionals, that's why they'll likely see an early exit in sectionals.

Houghton lost to Class C York (9-9) & defeated CC Kendall ( 5-12) They also defeated Class C Warsaw (2-16) Those are the only 3 C school Houghton scheduled this season and although they'e not the strongest teams out there it's better than nothing plus they also played non-league games vs. C.G Finney, Lima Christian, Webster-Christian & Northstar so at least they went out and got some teams from outside Allegany County, and they'll be better because of it.

ref301
02-08-2008, 11:24 AM
Can't speak for him but I think he meant non-league, this year they played and beat Romulus currently the #4 seed in Class DD sectionals, they played a non-league game with Genesee-Valley, they played and lost a close game to 4 time Defending CCC Champion Campbell-Savona & Played Class C Cuba-Rushford as well as Northern Potter, PA. & Defending class D state champion Finney.

Andover didn't play one c school during the season not one they played all D & DD's and didn't pick up any tough non-league games to help them prepare for sectionals, that's why they'll likely see an early exit in sectionals.

Houghton lost to Class C York (9-9) & defeated CC Kendall ( 5-12) They also defeated Class C Warsaw (2-16) Those are the only 3 C school Houghton scheduled this season and although they'e not the strongest teams out there it's better than nothing plus they also played non-league games vs. C.G Finney, Lima Christian, Webster-Christian & Northstar so at least they went out and got some teams from outside Allegany County, and they'll be better because of it.

Going to take in the Northstar/Kendall game tonight to gain some perspective on team strength based on common opponents. It appears that after the first part of the season the supporting cast at Northstar has had Beckford's back. I'll let you know after.

BB8185
02-08-2008, 12:18 PM
back to the tough teams whitesville plays I did some quick work and I may be wrong on some of the records but I think I am pretty close. The record of the non-league teams for Whitesville is 73-51. Andover 53-89 and Houghton 47-75 this is just a glance at what is meant by Whitesville playing tougher competion.

ref11
02-08-2008, 12:34 PM
yes andovers non league isnot the greatest but fillmore 2 times avoca not playing bad condering no gym home and away with lima never know who they are going to have playing. yes they did play alfred alomond who knew last spring there 3 best ball players not playing. the arkport tournament they played in because jasper troupsburg always had a hard time finding that 4 th team jts ad is pretty lazy. you are right whitesville non league was tough but rember there past won lots of games when big schools schedule non league games they want to play a great program not one like andovers who is getting better but not there yet.

panther44
02-08-2008, 06:44 PM
Whitesville has played several tough teams this year examples Romulus, Campbell-Savona, Cuba-Rushford, Genesee Valley (despite there record they always play great against whitesville) @ Finney Norhtern Potter who is probably one of the better teams they have seen. That doesn't include the league games which everyone wants to knock whitesville off so the always play a little harder.

Thanks...i really wasn't sure. Whitesville was kind of decieving this year...they seemed to be no threat in the early season but despite the rough start they have really pulled together and done a good Job.

section5v33
02-14-2008, 06:54 AM
I think Prattsburgh is all but a lock to make the finals this year (although I thought the same thing last year too).

Who will come out of the other bracket and who has the best shot at beating Prattsburgh?....if anyone.

ref301
02-14-2008, 07:56 AM
I think Prattsburgh is all but a lock to make the finals this year (although I thought the same thing last year too).

Who will come out of the other bracket and who has the best shot at beating Prattsburgh?....if anyone.

Northstar is a very talented group. Beckford is the real deal. They could be upset though (Lima Christian is in the same bracket). I'm not impressed with their team defense. They rely on Beckford to clean up after them. No consistent outside threat on offense. They are playing much better than they were at the beginning of the season.

DSport
02-14-2008, 08:02 AM
Northstar is a vey talented group. Beckford is the real deal. They could be upset though. I'm not impressed with their team defense. They rely on Beckford to clean up after them. No consistent outside threat on offense. They are playing much better than they were at the beginning of the season.

They have the most talent besides Prattsburgh. They aren't invincible though. They seem streaky and if someone catches them in the right moment they could take them out.

I'll tell you what, Prattsburgh really impressed me last night. J-T played good and were down by 20 something in the second half. We all remember Fillmore last year but more importantly so does Prattsburgh and they're not going to let that happen this year.

JTWildcats11
02-14-2008, 05:33 PM
I think Prattsburgh is going to win it hands down. That team is really fast and highly skilled. Did they play everyone in class D during the regular season?

btwine2001
02-14-2008, 05:42 PM
I believe they played everyone in steuben county, class D that is. They played Webster Christian out of league, the rest I believe were C and DD schools.

JTWildcats11
02-14-2008, 10:19 PM
I believe they played everyone in steuben county, class D that is. They played Webster Christian out of league, the rest I believe were C and DD schools.

ok. I still think Prattsburgh is going to win it

UNCTarheels
02-15-2008, 07:53 AM
I think Prattsburgh is going to win it hands down. That team is really fast and highly skilled. Did they play everyone in class D during the regular season?

Prattsburgh played only 3 other class D teams during the season, Bradford, Webster-Christian and Canaseraga.

DSport
02-15-2008, 08:07 AM
Prattsburgh played only 3 other class D teams during the season, Bradford, Webster-Christian and Canaseraga.

They did slaughter all those teams but they aren't exactly top notch D schools. I do think Prattsburgh will coast until they face Northstar. I think Northstar can give them a game. I still think Prattsburgh will win but maybe the bench won't get to play as much.

panther44
02-16-2008, 12:25 PM
They did slaughter all those teams but they aren't exactly top notch D schools. I do think Prattsburgh will coast until they face Northstar. I think Northstar can give them a game. I still think Prattsburgh will win but maybe the bench won't get to play as much.

They did slaughter those teams...but it also means they may not have seen some of the other teams like Northstar, Andover, whitesville, and Houghton play. I'm not sure how that will affect anything but look out for Whitesville i think they can do it...

DSport
02-16-2008, 02:13 PM
They did slaughter those teams...but it also means they may not have seen some of the other teams like Northstar, Andover, whitesville, and Houghton play. I'm not sure how that will affect anything but look out for Whitesville i think they can do it...

but those teams haven't seen Prattsburgh either. Besides Wade, the secret weapon for Prattsburgh is coach Burke. Well, I guess it shouldn't be a secret, but he is a mastermind. He will have his team ready. After losing a close one to Fillmore last year, they won't let it happen again.
Can the guards from these team dribble with Wade in their face? I'm sure Beckford could give Prattsburgh some trouble inside but Wade might cause fits outside with his defence.

wcsballer
02-16-2008, 02:40 PM
whitesville also has a very good coach in coach vanskiver im sure he has played an important role in helping his team rebound back to .500 it will be interesting to see if they can carry this streak on into sectionals.

DSport
02-16-2008, 02:48 PM
whitesville also has a very good coach in coach vanskiver im sure he has played an important role in helping his team rebound back to .500 it will be interesting to see if they can carry this streak on into sectionals.

Don't get me wrong. I think they are a talented team and could upset Andover but Prattsburgh will be too much for them.

ref11
02-16-2008, 04:22 PM
the andover vs whitesviile matchup if it happends, you can throw everything out the window. whitesville won both games this year and andover hasnt beaten whitesville at least 10 seasons. the first game at whitesville in middle december the bluejays built a 24 point lead in second quater andover cut it to 3 with 3 minutes left in the 4 th bluejays hung on won by 9 i think. second game last of january whitesville won by 2 game was back and fourth andover took a 3 point shot as time ran out. this is the game that andover and whitesville people look forward to every year only 8 miles apart. this game if it happens could come down who has the ball last. the winner really has no shot at prattsburg. they would have to play a perfect game and prattsburg really have a hard time. well lets hope for the andover vs whitesville matchup they both have to win tuesday night.

DSport
02-16-2008, 04:31 PM
the andover vs whitesviile matchup if it happends, you can throw everything out the window. whitesville won both games this year and andover hasnt beaten whitesville at least 10 seasons. the first game at whitesville in middle december the bluejays built a 24 point lead in second quater andover cut it to 3 with 3 minutes left in the 4 th bluejays hung on won by 9 i think. second game last of january whitesville won by 2 game was back and fourth andover took a 3 point shot as time ran out. this is the game that andover and whitesville people look forward to every year only 8 miles apart. this game if it happens could come down who has the ball last. the winner really has no shot at prattsburg. they would have to play a perfect game and prattsburg really have a hard time. well lets hope for the andover vs whitesville matchup they both have to win tuesday night.

That shouldn't be hard. I don't think you should look past anyone but Andover plays winless Friendship and Whitesville plays Bradford. Although Bradford has improved they are still one of the weaker teams in Section V.

wcsballer
02-16-2008, 08:01 PM
ive heard that bradford has a 6'8" guy but hes not very coordinated...if it turns out its true will whitesville have a hard time containing him because of their size?

DSport
02-16-2008, 11:08 PM
ive heard that bradford has a 6'8" guy but hes not very coordinated...if it turns out its true will whitesville have a hard time containing him because of their size?

He is 6'8" but they don't really go to him inside too much. He isn't too strong inside. If you have some bulk you could push him around. He's a little on the thin side.

ref11
02-17-2008, 10:57 AM
being the 5 seed whitesville would not see north star until the finals that would mean a major upset of prattsburg

Ibleedgreen
02-19-2008, 04:16 PM
Yeah, but we know thats not going to happen!!!!!!

panther44
02-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Who do you think has a better shot at Prattsburg...Andover or Whitesville?

ref11
02-21-2008, 05:02 PM
really if you think about it who ever wins andover whitesville game has no shot in beating prattsburg

panther44
02-21-2008, 05:25 PM
really if you think about it who ever wins andover whitesville game has no shot in beating prattsburg

I dont really agree with that. Anyone can beat any opponent on any given night. But if you dont think anyone has a shot. who do you think will match up better?

ref11
02-21-2008, 06:31 PM
andover has better ball handlers and if they beat whitesville they will be sky high. must handle the press whitesville gaurds are playing better bey hey you never know

sflcards45
02-21-2008, 07:18 PM
Who from Bradford is 6'8?

panther44
02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
I think his name is Ben Larrison. but he isn't a great player and not too strong he only weighs about 185. Past his height he doesn't have much going for him

DSport
02-21-2008, 10:18 PM
I think his name is Ben Larrison. but he isn't a great player and not too strong he only weighs about 185. Past his height he doesn't have much going for him

That's correct. He is tall and thin.

ref301
02-22-2008, 06:19 AM
andover has better ball handlers and if they beat whitesville they will be sky high. must handle the press whitesville gaurds are playing better bey hey you never know

Andover is small but with 4 guys that can put the ball on the floor (Seth Shay is very good). I think Prattsburgh can handle them inside and on the boards. Whitesville matches up better with their starting five but have no one to handle ball pressure from Wade Fuller. The young Lewis-Ellison kid is in trouble if that match up occurs.

jetcole47
02-22-2008, 08:10 AM
first may i say, no one should look pass the game at hand. one game at a time. as you know i am a big J fan. you cut me i do bleed blue guys. as for the j's yes they are 11-10 now. i have been to all but 4 games and one thing i will say for them, they play great defence. game in and game out. we may not put the ball in the hoop, but we do play hard all game long. if you all think that we will lay down and let prattsburg walk on thru, then think that. cuz i think they did that last yeat against fillmore. as for the kid from bradford, not 6'-8", maybe 6-4. nuff said

ref11
02-22-2008, 10:27 AM
well you better beat andover before thinking about playing prattsburg if you look to far ahead you will lose

jetcole47
02-22-2008, 02:46 PM
that is what i said at the beginning. i know coach van will have his boy playing this game tonight. not the game next week. cuz from here out, it is one and done, if you screw up. so enjoy the games tonight who every your team is.nuff said

btwine2001
02-22-2008, 03:19 PM
Let me quote the great jetcole "If you think "WERE" going to lay down and let Prattsburgh walk on through". I think it went something like that. I have Andover 64-57.

jetcole47
02-22-2008, 04:22 PM
yes i did say that, but it was met as (if we do met prattsburg). tonight is will be a great game, one of my best friends is the coach for andover. so with that, i will post the score, after the game win or lose. nuff said

btwine2001
02-22-2008, 05:01 PM
Good enough, good luck.

OhioStateBuck
02-22-2008, 07:28 PM
first may i say, no one should look pass the game at hand. one game at a time. as you know i am a big J fan. you cut me i do bleed blue guys. as for the j's yes they are 11-10 now. i have been to all but 4 games and one thing i will say for them, they play great defence. game in and game out. we may not put the ball in the hoop, but we do play hard all game long. if you all think that we will lay down and let prattsburg walk on thru, then think that. cuz i think they did that last yeat against fillmore. as for the kid from bradford, not 6'-8", maybe 6-4. nuff said


He's 6'8.

ref11
02-22-2008, 08:05 PM
well andover beat whitesville 62 -50. andover had 19 point lead at the half. andover change there game plan very little fast breaking and 3 point shooting. they out work whitesville. andover has its hands full against prattsburg but at least the 12 year old losing streak is over

panther44
02-22-2008, 08:06 PM
Andover wins by 12.

DSport
02-22-2008, 08:12 PM
everyone jumps to point out poor officiating so I thought I would do the opposite. Besides one obvious travelling call that was missed I think the refs in the Prattsburgh-Belfast game did a great job. It was pretty clean and fair and these guys never get enough credit so I thought I would throw that out there.

Retiredbballer
02-22-2008, 08:23 PM
Good game by Andover The second qtr killed Whitesville they only scored 2 pts I think. I couldn't quite tell who was coaching Andover. Jv coach was doing alot more coaching than any jv coach I've seen in the last ten years. Maybe he's looking for a varsity job? Varsity coach needs to get that under control

ref11
02-22-2008, 08:42 PM
well retired, the jv coach in andover has 17 years of coaching varsity basketball won a section v champoinship in jt coaching girls. i know for a fact he does not want to coach varsity anymore. the varsity coach wants him to help and thats what he did. hey first year varsity coach just wanted some help at least he was man enough to ask for help

jetcole47
02-22-2008, 08:42 PM
andover played a great game, and the i think they wanted it more then us. we where 2-8 from the line. we got out rebounded bad. andover got alot of second and third shoot. you can't have that and win. it was 32 to 13 at the half. we stood, hold the ball, when we were swing it around. giving the defence time to stuff. good luck to andover in the next around. also heard that scio beat north star, but i can't confirm it. nuff said

panther44
02-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Northstar won by 12.
Houghton vs. Northstar
Prattsburg vs. Andover.
Should be some good basketball on Tuesday.

BB8185
02-22-2008, 09:14 PM
Andover did play well Whitesville did not if they meet 5 more times Whitesville would probably win 4 or 5 with that being said. I have never seen a sectional basketball game where one team shoots 39 free throws while the other one shoot 9 maybe 10 of those were when Whitesville had to foul but for a team that played zone most of the night that is quite a huge difference. I think Mr Burt and Mr Morris deserve at least some of the credit for this one

BB8185
02-22-2008, 09:19 PM
call it sour grapes poor losers or whatever you want but it is what it is and I have seen enough basketball to know. Without naming names it is obvious that certain player(s) can get away with things that others can't on both ends of the court. When you get an extra step to get started every time you take off with a dribble, cup the ball and take two steps before putting the ball back on the floor makes you much better. On defense hands all over the guy you are defending makes you a good defender also.

DuKe
02-22-2008, 10:43 PM
Who will make it to the class d championship game? prattsburgh, andover, houghton, or northstar? and who will win?

hoopsfan35
02-22-2008, 11:28 PM
I think the title is Prattsburgh's to lose but when teams have nothing to lose going up against another team it could make a sticky situation. I'll say Prattsburgh over Andover 67-49 and Houghton over Northstar 58-51 in the semis and then Prattsburgh over Houghton 63-53

sflcards45
02-23-2008, 12:01 AM
Prattsburgh over Northstar.

ref11
02-23-2008, 04:49 AM
so you are not giving andover any credit, yes there was some bad calls, it look to me whitesville took andover lightly, andover out work whitesville every part of the game. the reboubing was the big difference in the game whitesville look like they didnt want to be there after the 1st quater. andover game plan was great the jays thought andover were going to shoot 3s all the time and they slowed the game down. so give the winners some credit.they out work out played and showed more heart than whitesville.

ref11
02-23-2008, 04:50 AM
one more thing you get to the foul line when you drive to the basket. whitesville just wanted to shoot 3 s

panther44
02-23-2008, 10:32 AM
sorry for the way i presented the former comment, i was not trying to put anyone down.

panther44
02-23-2008, 10:37 AM
I dont know. but i definately think there will be some good games

Hoopaholic
02-23-2008, 11:26 AM
Prattsburgh over Northstar.

I agree

ref11
02-23-2008, 08:28 PM
the prattsburg andover game could be a close one but logic says the vikings by 16. andover was sky high vs whitesville the rival and after 10 years beat them. they will have to play just as good if not better.the rebounding andover did friday was shocking to andover. they check the film and the total was 45 to 19 ,4 players with at least 8 rebounds that will mean alot tuesday. the foul shooting was 44 attempts for andover 19 for whitesviile the new offense andover put in shock whitesville. so prattsburg by 16 and north star by 14

Ibleedgreen
02-24-2008, 09:49 PM
i think he just told you how it was

BB8185
02-25-2008, 05:51 AM
ref 11 if you would read my reply i said andover played well so that is giving them credit and that is the first thing i said. also how many times did they drive to the basket and get hit and no call so yeah it would cause you to stop going to the basket a little bit. As for panther 44 houghton has no room to talk about innocence because they are not by any strech of the imagination. I do agree Andover won the boards by a ton and that was the difference but com 44 free throws to 11

BB8185
02-25-2008, 05:57 AM
by the way panther 44 if I remember correctly last year in sectionals Houghton had a player trying to guard Dan Heisey that was tugging at his shorts pulling his arms tring to undercut him everytime he moved and not much of that was called so I think you get away with more than your share.

MD13
02-25-2008, 10:22 PM
Prattsburg by 25 plus!!

Northstar by 10-15.


Anyone else going to these games in Wayland?

DSport
02-25-2008, 10:32 PM
Prattsburg by 25 plus!!

Northstar by 10-15.


Anyone else going to these games in Wayland?

I'll be there! Should be fun.

Ibleedgreen
02-26-2008, 12:15 PM
who isnt going to be there?

btwine2001
02-26-2008, 12:25 PM
None of us are going to be there if this snow doesn't stop!!!!

Lukelakers
02-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Now, if no one wants to get out in the weather and wants to stay home, they can listen to the Prattsburgh game on WFLR 95.9 FM starting at 8 p.m. :D

btwine2001
02-26-2008, 12:42 PM
Not to put you in a situation Mr. Lakers but do you carry it on the internet like the other station??

vikingfan
02-27-2008, 09:08 PM
Prattsburgh beat Andover 47-36. The championship game this Saturday will be Prattsburgh vs. Northstar. Good luck Vikings. Go get that 500th victory for Coach Burke.

cbellfan15
02-27-2008, 09:15 PM
Go Prattsburgh!

btwine2001
02-27-2008, 09:27 PM
It wasn't pretty fella's but a win is a win. Gotta come out strong against Northstar. I will say this though Beckford or whatever his name is, is lazy. His whole team ran up and down the court and he was dragging tale. If we can expose that, the crown is ours. Gotta feel sorry for JT!!!

ref11
02-27-2008, 09:53 PM
andover give prattsburgh all they could handle tonite. a lot of people thought it would be a blowout, i thought prattsburgh by 16, the andover kids played hard and some times out work them. well good luck to the vikings lets hope you win it for the public schools

DuKe
02-27-2008, 10:17 PM
lets go VIKINGS

DSport
02-28-2008, 12:10 AM
He is a great shot blocker but tends to jump at any ball fake. Hopefully Prattsburgh can use this to get him in foul trouble.

UNCTarheels
02-28-2008, 08:38 AM
andover give prattsburgh all they could handle tonite. a lot of people thought it would be a blowout, i thought prattsburgh by 16, the andover kids played hard and some times out work them. well good luck to the vikings lets hope you win it for the public schools

young Scrappy team, They'll be in the thick of things next season for sure, I'm begging their A.D to schedule some tougher competition though, please play a decent C or a few tougher D's, please!

DSport
02-28-2008, 11:50 AM
young Scrappy team, They'll be in the thick of things next season for sure, I'm begging their A.D to schedule some tougher competition though, please play a decent C or a few tougher D's, please!

They get most of their key players back and should be strong. They need to be more battle tested though.