The Patriots Win, Should it count?

[boobiemiles]

19-0. The Patriots want the term 19-0 to be trademarked; in fact they already have trademarked it. The rest of the football community insists that there be an asterisk.
On the dawn of the greatest stage in all of sports, besides the FIFA World Cup for the rest of the world, the New England Patriots are attempting the be the second team in the history of the National Football League to finish their season undefeated, without a single loss or blemish. The only team ever to do so is the 1972 Dolphins, with their blue collar, working class players, where the highest paid player, Larry czonka, made $60,000 a year. The coaching staff featured six, 6!, coaches. Now, the Patriots are attempting to take the "only" title away from the '72 Dolphins, and replace it with "first." It is still quite an honor to be first, but ask any of the '72 Dolphins, or any Dolphin fans, and they will vehemently insist that the Patriots have an asterisk next to the term 19-0.
It seems that so many football purists will ask for an asterisk, but NFL commissioner Roger Goodell refuses to believe that any further punishment be dealt down to the Patriots, as a 750,000 dollar fine and a first round draft pick was taken away from the organization. So the question we must ask ourselves is, "Is the "unprecedented" punishment dealt down by the league one which is strong, and firm enough, to not only ward off future teams from doing so, but also punish the Patriots enough as to show them that they were wrong in doing so." In the NCAA, if a school is accused of cheating, they may have punishments which include, stripping them of their past titles, and not allowing the school into post season play for the next few years. That is an extremely harsh punishment which may be dealt down to a school which may so much have talked to a sophomore prospect. The stripping of titles and banning from post season play is a punishment which is definitely strong enough to ward off schools from directly violating NCAA policies.
The Patriots were caught breaking a rule which directly violated Roger Goodell’s warning, not to video tape other team's sidelines. Banning the Patriots from post season play would be devastating to the organization, costing them a home game (most likely), and the popularity which comes from the playoffs. Also, the removal of a first round draft pick, from a team which has two picks, including one in the top 10, and is already loaded with talent. Now there is talk about spy gate occurring during the Patriot's first Super Bowl, where the Patriots filmed the Ram's walkthrough. Ram's quarterback Kurt Warner insists that the Patriots be investigated, yet crucial Patriots film employees have yet to be questioned. So, now that the Patriots are hours away from accomplishing the second perfect season in league history, we are all posed with the question, if the Patriots win, should it count?


Written by OA student
Matt Novak

[DSport]

I'm hoping the Giants win so we won't have to ask that question.

[section5fan]

I hope this Super Bowl gets cancelled. I'm really not looking forward to this game. Why does pre-game start at 11a? What's the point of 7 hours of talking about Spygate?

[DSport]

I hope this Super Bowl gets cancelled. I'm really not looking forward to this game. Why does pre-game start at 11a? What's the point of 7 hours of talking about Spygate?

They have to interview the people who will be interviewing the interviewers of the champions later. To use the words of a fellow poster. I hope the Giants poop in Brady's icecream!!!

[SaveUs222]

I hope this Super Bowl gets cancelled. I'm really not looking forward to this game. Why does pre-game start at 11a? What's the point of 7 hours of talking about Spygate?

How could you possibly want the Super Bowl to be cancelled.. Thats the most ridiculous thing i've heard in quite a while

[B-TownStriker11]

19-0. The Patriots want the term 19-0 to be trademarked; in fact they already have trademarked it. The rest of the football community insists that there be an asterisk.
On the dawn of the greatest stage in all of sports, besides the FIFA World Cup for the rest of the world, the New England Patriots are attempting the be the second team in the history of the National Football League to finish their season undefeated, without a single loss or blemish. The only team ever to do so is the 1972 Dolphins, with their blue collar, working class players, where the highest paid player, Larry czonka, made $60,000 a year. The coaching staff featured six, 6!, coaches. Now, the Patriots are attempting to take the \"only\" title away from the \'72 Dolphins, and replace it with \"first.\" It is still quite an honor to be first, but ask any of the \'72 Dolphins, or any Dolphin fans, and they will vehemently insist that the Patriots have an asterisk next to the term 19-0.
It seems that so many football purists will ask for an asterisk, but NFL commissioner Roger Goodell refuses to believe that any further punishment be dealt down to the Patriots, as a 750,000 dollar fine and a first round draft pick was taken away from the organization. So the question we must ask ourselves is, \"Is the \"unprecedented\" punishment dealt down by the league one which is strong, and firm enough, to not only ward off future teams from doing so, but also punish the Patriots enough as to show them that they were wrong in doing so.\" In the NCAA, if a school is accused of cheating, they may have punishments which include, stripping them of their past titles, and not allowing the school into post season play for the next few years. That is an extremely harsh punishment which may be dealt down to a school which may so much have talked to a sophomore prospect. The stripping of titles and banning from post season play is a punishment which is definitely strong enough to ward off schools from directly violating NCAA policies.
The Patriots were caught breaking a rule which directly violated Roger Goodell’s warning, not to video tape other team\'s sidelines. Banning the Patriots from post season play would be devastating to the organization, costing them a home game (most likely), and the popularity which comes from the playoffs. Also, the removal of a first round draft pick, from a team which has two picks, including one in the top 10, and is already loaded with talent. Now there is talk about spy gate occurring during the Patriot\'s first Super Bowl, where the Patriots filmed the Ram\'s walkthrough. Ram\'s quarterback Curt Warner insists that the Patriots be investigated, yet crucial Patriots film employees have yet to be questioned. So, now that the Patriots are hours away from accomplishing the second perfect season in league history, we are all posed with the question, if the Patriots win, should it count?


Written by OA student
Matt Novak

I saw this article on yahoo sports this morning

[boobiemiles]

ha, i really didn't read it anywhere, i just thought of it on my own

[B-TownStriker11]

ha, i really didn\'t read it anywhere, i just thought of it on my own

Sarcasm. Well written through

[TopShelf]

Very nicely written. Only problem I had is the name is Kurt Warner, not Curt. If the Pats win should it count? Yes, they still won the Super Bowl. Should there be an asterisk next to 19-0, probably. The Patriots cheated, in week one. They still went on to win every other regular season game, and postseason games. Therefore they still would have been the #1 seed, and they made the SuperBowl. So if they win it should count, however I have no problem with 19-0*

[boobiemiles]

Very nicely written. Only problem I had is the name is Kurt Warner, not Curt. If the Pats win should it count? Yes, they still won the Super Bowl. Should there be an asterisk next to 19-0, probably. The Patriots cheated, in week one. They still went on to win every other regular season game, and postseason games. Therefore they still would have been the #1 seed, and they made the SuperBowl. So if they win it should count, however I have no problem with 19-0*
i knew that too, i was just having a mind blank

[TopShelf]

I hate all this SpyGate stuff. Just talk about the game for another, six hours, I'm sick of "if they did it." The Patriots were caught, there is no if about week one, so shutup Shawn Salisbury. Now if the Patriots did tape the Rams a while back, strip the title from them, thats blatent cheating if you knew every signal. Although if the Patriots did know the Rams plays and such how did they only win by three.

[SaveUs222]

Those Rams teams in the early 2000's were nasty, NE had no business beating them.

[B-TownStriker11]

I hate all this SpyGate stuff. Just talk about the game for another, six hours, I\'m sick of \"if they did it.\" The Patriots were caught, there is no if about week one, so shutup Shawn Salisbury. Now if the Patriots did tape the Rams a while back, strip the title from them, thats blatent cheating if you knew every signal. Although if the Patriots did know the Rams plays and such how did they only win by three.

Salisbury is the biggest clown associated with ESPN. If they did know the signals it should have been a blowout. That\'s why I don\'t believe any of this stuff. Until the tapes are actually revealed let it be

[Section5sportsguy]

Those Rams teams in the early 2000's were nasty, NE had no business beating them.

They were the greatest show on turf.

[SaveUs222]

Yeah man, Warner, Faulk, Holt, and Bruce.. Thats deadly

[Section5sportsguy]

Yeah man, Warner, Faulk, Holt, and Bruce.. Thats deadly

Don't forget Az-zahir Hakim. That boy could run.

[SaveUs222]

They were alot of fun to watch thats for sure

[BathRamsFan]

deserve it and can't wait to see tom brady win another superbowl.Lets go pats.

So do you tell your kids that the things that the Patriots organization DID, that they were CAUGHT doing, are OK? It's ok to cheat as long as you were just trying to win, kids. Disregard the rules of the league, any direct orders from your parents, teachers, coaches can be circumvented if you believe they stand in the way of you getting what you want.
It's hard to define wether what they DID, gave them a destinct advantage on the field,but there is no denying that what they DID, was absolutely attempted to gain an unfair advantage. And worst of all they continued even after the commish had told the whole league it would not be tolerated. How much Cutzpah does that take?? It showed that Mr. Bellicheat and Mr. Kraft believe themselves to be above the league and for that I believe they should have no part of the league. Ban 'em they knew the rules, just like Pete Rose did. They have no place in sport.

[hilly]

I hate the entire state of Mass.
I would have no problem if the Sox, Pats and Celtics all were removed from sports totally.
But I'm also going to give respect to New England and what they have done this year. I have covered the NFL for a long time and I've never seen anything like this. This is the best team to ever take the field in the NFL and I'm saying that today's game will be a blowout. Thank god for food and Goldschlager :)
I'll be rooting for the Giants, but the Pats are going to kill them.

[Section5sportsguy]

I hate the entire state of Mass.
I would have no problem if the Sox, Pats and Celtics all were removed from sports totally.
But I'm also going to give respect to New England and what they have done this year. I have covered the NFL for a long time and I've never seen anything like this. This is the best team to ever take the field in the NFL and I'm saying that today's game will be a blowout. Thank god for food and Goldschlager :)
I'll be rooting for the Giants, but the Pats are going to kill them.

I hate all boston teams, yet I find myself cheering for the Celtics. They're just a feel good story for Pierce, Allen, and Garnett. These guys have been losers basically for their careers, yet here they are now winning.

[hilly]

I hate all boston teams, yet I find myself cheering for the Celtics. They're just a feel good story for Pierce, Allen, and Garnett. These guys have been losers basically for their careers, yet here they are now winning.


I just puked a little.
How can you root for any team in that area? First off, the people are all hippy-liberal-idiots and the teams are all the opposite of what we are for as New Yorkers.

[BathRamsFan]

I hate the entire state of Mass.
I would have no problem if the Sox, Pats and Celtics all were removed from sports totally.
But I'm also going to give respect to New England and what they have done this year. I have covered the NFL for a long time and I've never seen anything like this. This is the best team to ever take the field in the NFL and I'm saying that today's game will be a blowout. Thank god for food and Goldschlager :)
I'll be rooting for the Giants, but the Pats are going to kill them.

Sure, I'll give the players respect for what they have done on the field, but the rest of the organization is as classless as it comes.

[BathRamsFan]

It Doesn't matter cause they DIDN'T WIN!!!!!! No Undefeated season, no greatest team ever..... Did you see Bellicheats act of class leaving the feild at the end...showed his stripes. CONGRATULATIONS NY Giants and all your fans, what a game that defense played. They were magnificent. And it was AWESOME to see David Tyree contribute like he did, Orangeman does good!

[BathRamsFan]

game for awhile, I was looking for a good nba game.Whatever it was a fluke win .

Fluke win...that is sour grapes. That NE team scored TD's 53% of the time they had the ball his year and could only put 14 up against that Defense. and there were no excuses, no injuries, fully stocked, THEY GOT BEAT!

[GRBball2008]

about the game though, giants pulled off a a 1 and 100 game, brady had a broken foot.
First off his foot was fine, and second the Giants played without one of the best TE's in the league...

[BathRamsFan]

First off his foot was fine, and second the Giants played without one of the best TE's in the league...
Have to say I was rooting for the GMen, but seeing Shockey in the box drinkin beer when he should have been on the sidelines with his team ....nothing more needs to be said about him

[GRBball2008]

Yeah I agree with that and I was also disapointed not to see him on the sidelines with his team. I was just making a refrence that NY could still win without one of the more elite players suited up

[DSport]

I guess that 19-0 book that has already been published for the Patriots is one hell of a collector's item now. hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[quesadilla]

Brady couldn't handle the pressure.
The Giants out-played the Pat's the entire game.

[Snowboarder32]

Brady couldn't handle the pressure.
The Giants out-played the Pat's the entire game.

I liked seeing brady being taken down... a lot.

[GRBball2008]

I liked seeing brady being taken down... a lot.
Yeah the Giants had awesome pass rushing the entire game, and got to Brady alot, forcing him to make some bad throws, and causing him to turn the ball over.

[Snowboarder32]

Yeah the Giants had awesome pass rushing the entire game, and got to Brady alot, forcing him to make some bad throws, and causing him to turn the ball over.

yeah, they kinda ran outa gas durring the 4th it seemed though the one play i swear the Pat's O line didn't move at all

[xxlvbball]

the patriots D whiffed on a bunch of big plays, mostly in the 4th quarter. heres a few:

asante samuel drops the int that would've sealed the game

failed to stop the giants on 4th and one

steve smith caught a ball for the 1st on 3rd and eleven

2 guys let eli out of what should have been an easy sack, then the secondary fails to knock down the desperate pass

[Section5sportsguy]

One of the top three Super Bowls i've ever seen.

[bcherry8]

the patriots D whiffed on a bunch of big plays, mostly in the 4th quarter. heres a few:

asante samuel drops the int that would've sealed the game

failed to stop the giants on 4th and one

steve smith caught a ball for the 1st on 3rd and eleven

2 guys let eli out of what should have been an easy sack, then the secondary fails to knock down the desperate pass
I agree. Also, gotta love how the pats' first super bowl win established brady as a clutch quarterback and belicheat as the guy who simply out-coaches the opposition when it matters, and the exact opposite happens this time. Brady looked like he was somewhere else the entire game, and belicheat got completely out-coached (and out-classed for that matter). Although i wanted to see the looks on the faces of the members of the '72 Dolphins when their record was matched, it was a great performance by the Giants and they definitely deserved to win that game.

[DrewVT6]

I just puked a little.
How can you root for any team in that area? First off, the people are all hippy-liberal-idiots and the teams are all the opposite of what we are for as New Yorkers.

Then you don't know any real "Chowds" as Rome calls em. Think Fred Smerlas if you wanna talk about the real blue collar people in New England.

I'm a longtime Celtics fan. I think I was 4 or 5 when my dad was watching the C's vs Knicks on TV and I asked him who the teams were. He told me New York and Boston. Knowing that I lived in NY, I started cheering for them. I was told to leave the room and never come back until I was going to cheer for the Celtics. My dad grew up right in the middle of the Celtics 9 straight championships, went to Red Auerbach basketball camp and had Bob Cousy as his coach.

However, he moved away from New England before the Patriots were ever any good. In fact, up until the late 60s, everyone in New England cheered for the Giants as their team. Very few people even jumped on the Pats wagon until 85 and even after that, you couldn't find Patriot fans outside of Boston. No one really jumped on the bandwagon until after Bledsoe left and Brady took over. Right now in New England they're still the 2nd favorite team and if the Celtics and Bruins started winning Championships, they might just move down to #4 again.

[SaveUs222]

Eli Manning proved me wrong last night, because after NE scored with about 2:30 left i said to myself i would much rather have Peyton quaterbacking the Giants right now.. And it turns out Eli put together one of the best and most clutch drives in Super Bowl history. At the end of the day, I give the giants alot of credit for winning that game last night despite being 12 point underdogs and I now like and respect eli manning alot more than I did before for outplaying the leagues MVP last night.

[SaveUs222]

One of the top three Super Bowls i've ever seen.

I definitely agree with that statement. No Doubt.

[DrewVT6]

One of the top three Super Bowls i've ever seen.

Me too.

49ers/Bengals (1989?)

Bills/Giants (1991)

Giants/Pats (2007)

[hilly]

Everybody is pumping up this game as one of the tops, but to me it was a very dull game until the end.
The finish was awesome and I'm glad to see Tom Brady lose and Peyton's little brother win, but I was bored for most of the game. I will put it in the top 3 finishes I've seen in a Super Bowl, but the game itself lacked.

[UNCTarheels]

Everybody is pumping up this game as one of the tops, but to me it was a very dull game until the end.
The finish was awesome and I'm glad to see Tom Brady lose and Peyton's little brother win, but I was bored for most of the game. I will put it in the top 3 finishes I've seen in a Super Bowl, but the game itself lacked.

The 3rd Quarter was very, very boring, the the last two-three minutes of the 4th quarter I was on the edge of my seat, but the entire 3rd quarter was pretty bad.............

[SaveUs222]

Me too.

49ers/Bengals (1989?)

Bills/Giants (1991)

Giants/Pats (2007)

I would consider Tennessee/St. Louis and Green Bay/Denver to be great Super Bowls too

[hilly]

Tennessee/St. Louis great Super Bowls too


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[SaveUs222]

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What??

[Section5sportsguy]

Everybody is pumping up this game as one of the tops, but to me it was a very dull game until the end.
The finish was awesome and I'm glad to see Tom Brady lose and Peyton's little brother win, but I was bored for most of the game. I will put it in the top 3 finishes I've seen in a Super Bowl, but the game itself lacked.

Idk even in the parts with no scoring there was a lot of entertainment. A lot of hard hitting and solid football.

[DSport]

Some people find defence boring but I was enjoying every hard hit Brady was taking and every one Eli was escaping.

[TopShelf]

David Tyree's catch was one of the best plays I've seen in a Super Bowl.

[bcherry8]

I would consider Tennessee/St. Louis and Green Bay/Denver to be great Super Bowls too
I did not enjoy St. Louis vs Tennessee (XXXIV)

[BTownClown99]

David Tyree's catch was one of the best plays I've seen in a Super Bowl.

Most definately, but then dont forget that Manning some how got space to make the throw, the whole play from start to finish was incredible.

[hilly]

Most definately, but then dont forget that Manning some how got space to make the throw, the whole play from start to finish was incredible.

i think the catch was bs but i'm not going to say anything bad about ny. i hate the pats. awesome catch. great throw

[TopShelf]

i think the catch was bs but i'm not going to say anything bad about ny. i hate the pats. awesome catch. great throw

What was wrong with the catch?