livingston county preseason predictions?

[catsup]

anybody have livingston county predictions for the 2008 season?

[rockandroll34]

York will win Division 2 because Cal-Mum, Le Roy, Letchworth and Pavilion will all be down. York should win sectionals but they don't have enough to win states.
Division 3 should be easy for Geneseo. They lose a little but they have a pretty good team and Mt Morris, Warsaw, Perry and Keshequa are all pretty weak.
I think Geneseo is still looking for a new coach.

[newarksoccer]

When it comes to sectionals MArion is very tough. They should compete with anyone and should have a high seed because of thier schedule

[ub316]

Ahhhh, three weeks until the ’08 fall preseason begins! Livingston County should be interesting again this year, from top to bottom.
At the top, Division I should be a shoot out. HFL and Livonia look to be as strong as ever but don’t look past Hornell. The Lady Raiders have lot of very good players returning and they could challenge for the top spot in their division.
It will be interesting how the Livonia defense responds to the loss of Butterbrodt, and the offense adjusts to the departure of Katie Moran (9 goals, 11 assists), my guess is that they won’t miss a beat.
With the graduation of Beth Allport will there be a scoring drought at HFL? While being double and triple teamed most of the last year, she created a lot of opportunities for her teammates. How do the Cougars spell relief? M-A-R-C-H-E-S-E (Team leading 23 pts) and a deep player pool!
York, in division II? It’s about time. We’ll see what they’re really made of game in and game out. With the graduation of 10 players can they stand up to the likes of LeRoy and Cal-Mum twice? Can MacIntyre post 15 shutouts again? Can Jenna Carson have a repeat 17 goal performance? Only time will tell but I have a suspicion that Coach Van Vliet may have something up is sleeve.
LeRoy returns a cast of solid players headed up by Brit Luckey (8goals, 20 assists) and Laurel Presher (8goals, 12 assists) and they’re backed up by one of the leagues best coaching staffs.
As for Cal-Mum, while they have lost their share of players they still have a reliable core, led by Kristen Hume (14 goals, 9 assists), teams that overlook Cal-Mum and coach Schalk will be sorry.
Div II down? I don’t think so. Who ever wins this division will do so because they are good.
As for Div.III, It looks to be a horse race with only one horse. With new Geneseo Coach Jen Bugbee (Head coach at RH for the last two years) and the return of leading scorer Sarah Bono (19 goals, 3 assists) the lady Blue Devils should easily win this divisional crown. The fact of the matter is that they should coast through most of their season, with an extremely favorable schedule I would expect them to be the top seed for the Class C Sectional Tournament.
What ever happens one thing is for sure its going to be a heck of a ride in the LCAA.

[rockandroll34]

Geneseo, the No. 1 seed in sectionals — come on!!!
That's a ridiculous statement seeing that they haven't been better than a four seed in the last nine years.
Geneseo does play an average, to below average schedule at best. Bono is decent but nothing like the top players in the LCAA. This is a 13-5 team that goes out in the sectional semis.

[ggmanu11]

Will Keshequa be able to challenge Geneseo in DivIII? Didn't they beat Geneseo and tie Geneseo last year and they were pretty young too. I think their top scorer last year was a sophmore.

[ub316]

Will Keshequa be able to challenge Geneseo in DivIII? Didn't they beat Geneseo and tie Geneseo last year and they were pretty young too. I think their top scorer last year was a sophmore.

Without the elder Mucha, GK Lowell and Underwood in the midfield I think the Lady Indians will have their work cut out for them. Underwood created alot of opprtunities for other players, the younger Mucha is a force, but she loses a very good supporting cast. I expect, as always that they will be a team that will be hard to beat but they lack the fire power that Geneseo has this year.

I misspoke when I said that I expect Geneseo to be the number one seed in this years tournament, what I meant is that I won't be surprised if they are the #one seed for sectionals. With their schedule and strong junior class they are certainly capable of 15 or 16 wins making a new coach look very good.

[teamfreaknasty]

LeRoy will remain strong with a very good core of players returning. Replacing Reilly is not possible but there are players who can produce if they come together as a team...LeRoy has one of the strongest sweepers in the conference and is only a sophomore.

Geneseo will be strong but alot will be on Sarah to carry them and its all possible depending on injuries and other variables.

HAC graduates a TON from last years team. They lose their GK, starting sweeper, both center mids and a forward. Also, one of thier best forwards who would be a 9th grader this yr had to move out of the country for a year due to a parents job placement. It will be a rebuilding year and Finger Lakes West can be a tough division to get a solid league record in.

CM will be decent, Chad gets the most out of his kids and just like Geneseo, alot will be relient on the abilities of one player...Kristen Hume.

All in all, good luck to everyone.

[soccerstud11]

Leroy was awesome last year. Did they really lose that much or can they contend? Also why doesnt this league group by ability? You could create one sick league of the top teams.

That wouldn't make sense. Think if you had all the best teams in one division. A very good team would end up with a poor record and this would not help them with sectional seedings. Plus, Livingston does everything by location. D1 is the more southern Livingston teams (HFL, Dansville, Bath, Hornell, Way-Co). It makes it easier for traveling purposes as well.

[rockandroll34]

That wouldn't make sense. Think if you had all the best teams in one division. A very good team would end up with a poor record and this would not help them with sectional seedings. Plus, Livingston does everything by location. D1 is the more southern Livingston teams (HFL, Dansville, Bath, Hornell, Way-Co). It makes it easier for traveling purposes as well.

Livingston is NOT done by location, it's done by classification.
How is HF-L a southern school?

[soccerstud11]

See this is some faulty thinking. In a system where everyone gets into sectionals your seed doesn't matter. Being battle tested by having more difficult games you would be ready to make a run deep in sectionals. Case in point - Greece Odessy. Every year they have a record that is not so great and make a run in sectionals because they play teams that are much better than the teams in their class all year long. A couple years ago they were like 5-12 or something like that and ended up going to the state final 4. I remember being in our league meeting (it was before I was the varsity coach) and hearing someone say "We have Odessy first round and they have a terrible records so I am not that worried." I think they lost 4-0 or something along those lines.

GR used to straight power seed (best teams in top division) and they always fared quite well in secitonals. We don't straight power seed anymore but we still do slide teams up into the top division that are going to be stronger provided we have a team that would like to slide into the weaker division. We do this so that our top division is more competitive and so the weaker teams don't get beaten up so much.

People read too much into the seedings. They are fun to try to secure but really it doesn't matter - you lose you go home whether you are the one seed or the 16 seed. Playing a tough schedule during the season and being a 5 or 6 seed is much better than playing a weak schedule and being a 1 or 2 seed.

And Livingston does things by school size - not distance. It just so happens that several over the larger schools are from the southern tier.

Shouldn't LeRoy be in Division 1 then because they are a B school? All other schools in D2 are C or CC schools. All schools in D1 are A or BB.

[boobiemiles]

BB is bigger than B. so leroy probably is just a middle team that they put in D2

[soccerstud11]

BB is bigger than B. so leroy probably is just a middle team that they put in D2

Now that I look at it it looks that way. Everyone is either a class bigger or a class or two smaller than LeRoy. I'm not saying we want to play in D1 but it would probably benefit us come sectionals.

[vcoach]

How can everyone talk about being battle tested entering sectionals. The last time I looked teams were in leagues and you have to play all your league games. So to knock a teams for not playing a tough schedule to bogus. And it isn't all that easy to get non league games

[soccerstud11]

How can everyone talk about being battle tested entering sectionals. The last time I looked teams were in leagues and you have to play all your league games. So to knock a teams for not playing a tough schedule to bogus. And it isn't all that easy to get non league games

You aren't limited to just playing in your league and division. You can enter into tournaments for some higher competition and you also have room in your schedule for a couple of non league games where you can play harder teams.

[boobiemiles]

How can everyone talk about being battle tested entering sectionals. The last time I looked teams were in leagues and you have to play all your league games. So to knock a teams for not playing a tough schedule to bogus. And it isn't all that easy to get non league games
the point is that you don't have to win your non-league games.....


and chadflint would be the last person to knock teams for not scheduling tough schedules.... he's a coach, i would think he knows what it's like


but the point is that a team should have a goal to go undefeated in the league and then to schedule tough opponents who they may lose to but will gain the experience of playing a good team as well as how it feels to play in a close game or to play from behind

[ub316]

LeRoy will remain strong with a very good core of players returning. Replacing Reilly is not possible but there are players who can produce if they come together as a team...LeRoy has one of the strongest sweepers in the conference and is only a sophomore.

Geneseo will be strong but alot will be on Sarah to carry them and its all possible depending on injuries and other variables.

HAC graduates a TON from last years team. They lose their GK, starting sweeper, both center mids and a forward. Also, one of thier best forwards who would be a 9th grader this yr had to move out of the country for a year due to a parents job placement. It will be a rebuilding year and Finger Lakes West can be a tough division to get a solid league record in.

CM will be decent, Chad gets the most out of his kids and just like Geneseo, alot will be relient on the abilities of one player...Kristen Hume.

All in all, good luck to everyone.

Great insight! I've got to agree about LeRoy, the look to be the most consistant team in DivII. While York finished strong last year, they don't seem to have that "edge" they once had. Overconfidence?Maybe. You never replace a player like Conidorio but I'll bet she's influenced a bunch of younger players that will be looked upon to contribute this season.

[beans55]

I dont see how you think york does not have an "edge" anymore. In '06 they graduated 7 seniors who were all starters and 75% of the scoring at least. They came back in 07, when everyone thought they were going to have a down year, and came back and won sectionals, losing in PK's in state qualifiers. So i think they came back despite, everyone thinking they were going to have a down year, i would consider that edge.

[ub316]

I dont see how you think york does not have an "edge" anymore. In '06 they graduated 7 seniors who were all starters and 75% of the scoring at least. They came back in 07, when everyone thought they were going to have a down year, and came back and won sectionals, losing in PK's in state qualifiers. So i think they came back despite, everyone thinking they were going to have a down year, i would consider that edge.

In '06 and '07 I agree that they had an "edge" to them, I was just wondering about the upcoming '08 season. I'm sure that they will have an excellent season by most standards, my question is will they be up to their past standards? Does the '08 team still have the York "edge"?

[jmr4616]

LeRoy will probably move up when HFL goes to monroe county after this season like most people are hoping for

[soccerstud11]

How many teams will that leave in the league total? Because there are rules that might make them only have 2 divisions instead of 3.

Without HFL there would be 16 other teams.

[soccerstud11]

Still 3 divisions then. I think anything 12 and over has to be 3 divisions.

Does than mean LeRoy would move up? Or would a team move down to D3?

[soccerstud11]

You would have the biggest 6 teams in division 1, next 5 in division 2, next 5 in division 3 (I would assume) Give me a list of the schools and I can give you an idea of where they would fall. I am too lazy to look it up - sorry :-)

Currently it is like this: Division 1 - Hornell, Way-Co, Livonia, HFL, Bath, Dansville
D2 - LeRoy, Cal-mum, Avon, Perry, Pavillion, Letchworth
D3 - Keshequa, Geneseo, Warsaw, York, Mt. Morris

By the looks of it, LeRoy would move up because they are the biggest in D2.

[Kermie]

York is D-2 now.

[AlwaysRunning]

York is D-2 now.


Yea York and Perry swapped spots.

[soccerstud11]

LeRoy and York tied 1-1 after 2 overtimes. Neither team played their best games.

[AlwaysRunning]

LeRoy and York tied 1-1 after 2 overtimes. Neither team played their best games.


I would hope the first game of the season isn't their best games...

[hornets10]

LeRoy and York tied 1-1 after 2 overtimes. Neither team played their best games.

york had the chances to close it out but failed...

[soccerstud11]

I would hope the first game of the season isn't their best games...

By that, I meant that both teams could have and should have played better than what they did regardless of the fact that it was the first game of the season.

[lrichards727]

why do you say that cal-mum is too cocky??

[hornets10]

york girls soccer is looking good this year.

[CALMUMBASEBALL7]

york girls soccer is looking good this year.

u like cm football and york soccer pick a school

[ub316]

5-0 and scoring a ton, Geneseo is currently the #1 seed for class C. York is nipping at their heels. Hume has Cal-Mum rolling and LeRoy keeps playing tough. Can anyone stop Livonia? They look great! Alot of good teams coming out of Livingston Co. this fall but look to the East, Bloomfield hasn't given up a goal, they are a runaway freight train in the CC's. Great action so far!

[soccerstud11]

5-0 and scoring a ton, Geneseo is currently the #1 seed for class C. York is nipping at their heels. Hume has Cal-Mum rolling and LeRoy keeps playing tough. Can anyone stop Livonia? They look great! Alot of good teams coming out of Livingston Co. this fall but look to the East, Bloomfield hasn't given up a goal, they are a runaway freight train in the CC's. Great action so far!

I heard Kristen Hume broke her leg in the LeRoy game last night.

[ub316]

I heard Kriten Hume broke her leg in the LeRoy game last night.

That's a shame if true, she's a great player and a top notch competitor.

[catsup]

Does anyone know if Metcalf/LCN are doing fall sports previews on anything besides football this year? They used to preview boys and girls soccer, volleyball and cross country too...it looks like this year we'll just be getting football?

[RM3]

Do you still think that Keshequa is weak?

[soccerstud11]

That's a shame if true, she's a great player and a top notch competitor.

Sorry, my facts were wrong. She didn't break her leg but rather tore her ACL.