Election 2008

[TurnTwo]

So who are you guys voting for and why?

***DON'T TURN THIS THREAD INTO A MEANS OF ATTACKING OTHER USERS FOR THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.

With that said, I will be voting for John McCain.

I'm not a fan of Obama's tax increases, and I think we need to start drilling for oil here in America ASAP; something Obama doesn't support. He supports investing more in searching for alternatives; which is a good idea in theory, but we'd be spending billions on research that may not produce anything. Why take the chance?

Also, experience is important to me and I don't see how someone with <200 days experience as a Senator, and no prior executive experience is fit to become President of the United States.

McCain has a proven track record of speaking out against corrupt politicians; both Democrat and Republican. He fights for what is right regardless of how it will affect his standing within his party.

Also, Sarah Palin is cute.

[soccerstud11]

So who are you guys voting for and why?

***DON'T TURN THIS THREAD INTO A MEANS OF ATTACKING OTHER USERS FOR THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.


I turn 18 exactly one week after the election so I cannot vote.

[TurnTwo]

I turn 18 exactly one week after the election so I cannot vote.

Who would you be voting for if you could?

[hilly]

Sarah Palin is a MILF.







That is all.

[TurnTwo]

Sarah Palin is a MILF.







That is all.

VPILF?

[soccerstud11]

Who would you be voting for if you could?

Obama. And I agree with Hilly! hahaha

[Giles]

Obama.

TurnTwo - Obama's tax plan actually cuts taxes for everyone except the top 5% which is people who make over $250,000.

Also, I'd be all for drilling in America (Alaska, the Gulf, wherever) if it were enough to solve our dependence on oil but it only gives us a temporary solution because there is not enough to last. To me, it seems like we can either start investing in research of new technologies now or use the oil we have and being in the same situation in 5-10 years.

Also, McCain has more Senatoral experience than Obama but neither of the two men have any executive experience.

[TurnTwo]

McCain (no revision of taxes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Obama (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

[DrewVT6]

I'm not sure how long we'll deal with politics on here. I'm surrounded by politics everywhere I go it seems. I'd rather have this site be my escape from that reality for a few minutes a day!

[soccerstud11]

So who are you guys voting for and why?

***DON'T TURN THIS THREAD INTO A MEANS OF ATTACKING OTHER USERS FOR THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.

With that said, I will be voting for John McCain.

I'm not a fan of Obama's tax increases, and I think we need to start drilling for oil here in America ASAP; something Obama doesn't support. He supports investing more in searching for alternatives; which is a good idea in theory, but we'd be spending billions on research that may not produce anything. Why take the chance?

Also, experience is important to me and I don't see how someone with <200 days experience as a Senator, and no prior executive experience is fit to become President of the United States.

McCain has a proven track record of speaking out against corrupt politicians; both Democrat and Republican. He fights for what is right regardless of how it will affect his standing within his party.

Also, Sarah Palin is cute.

You say experience is important? How much experience can Pallin honestly have being the mayor of a small town in Alaska? Yeah, she may not matter right off the bat, but what if something happens to McCain? She will take office with very little experience.

[TurnTwo]

You say experience is important? How much experience can Pallin honestly have being the mayor of a small town in Alaska? Yeah, she may not matter right off the bat, but what if something happens to McCain? She will take office with very little experience.

She has executive experience.

[soccerstud11]

She has executive experience.

Good point.

I also agree with you on the tax issue. I wouldn't be happy with Obama wanting to increase taxes but I like pretty much all of his other ideas. I guess I could live with the fact that taxes go up a little bit in order to get all the other stuff he believes in.

[Snowboarder32]

Good point.

I also agree with you on the tax issue. I wouldn't be happy with Obama wanting to increase taxes but I like pretty much all of his other ideas. I guess I could live with the fact that taxes go up a little bit in order to get all the other stuff he believes in.


of course you could live with it, you don't have to deal with it yet

[soccerstud11]

of course you could live with it, you don't have to deal with it yet

Well taxes get taken out of your pay check so I kind of do have to live with it.

[anth31]

I would vote obama if I could vote, McCain is constantly contradicting himself and so is Sarah Palin. I've only heard Obama do it once or twice. The tax increases would only be for the wealthier people which isn't me haha so I'm okay with it. I guess it's more of voting the lesser of two evils.

[TurnTwo]

I would vote obama if I could vote, McCain is constantly contradicting himself and so is Sarah Palin. I've only heard Obama do it once or twice. The tax increases would only be for the wealthier people which isn't me haha so I'm okay with it. I guess it's more of voting the lesser of two evils.

Did you read my post earlier in the thread?

The tax increases are across the board.

[hilly]

As somebody that is close in age to most of you and has had an interest in politics since middle school, McCain/Obama is really not that big of a deal.
They are both people that are put at the top of their respective parties agendas so that the party can have the big ticket prize.
What matters most is the smaller elections.
I will vote Republican no matter what the election, but be real people:
Obama is a smart, black man that can drive votes to the Dems.
McCain is a smart, war vet that can drive votes to the Republicans.

Both will do about the same thing in the White House.







Have I mentioned yet that Palin is hot and I am so into the glasses thing when you pair it with power and a cute face. :)

[TurnTwo]

A year ago McCain was nearly KICKED OUT of his party for challenging corrupt Republican politicians and policies.

It doesn't make sense to say that he's trying to win the big prize for his party.

[hilly]

A year ago McCain was nearly KICKED OUT of his party for challenging corrupt Republican politicians and policies.

It doesn't make sense to say that he's trying to win the big prize for his party.



Yes he is a RINO (Republican in name only), but he is still a Republican and when he gets in office will place party favorites into key positions.
You are a smart guy. How can you possibly believe that the two party system doesn't lead to each group putting the guy in office that will best help the party?
McCain is the lesser of two evils in my opinion, but he won't be changing the lives of 90-percent of the people in this country. Maybe he will drop taxes a bit (I hope) and he will obviously make better social choices than Obama, but those choices he makes won't matter much as there are so many others in politics that need to get any true changes made.
When you vote for the president you are really voting for the face of the country. We voted for George Bush twice and he's been the face, not the decision-maker.
Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history but it wasn't because of what he did. Many choices were made by his party big wigs.
Now that we are near the end of his term, I'm one of the few that will say Bush was a good Commander in Chief. He didn't F around when it came to security decisions, he was a great public speaker (when he didn't stumble over his own words) and because he was in office we had eight great years of television.
McCain and Obama have the same lobbyists and top party members making decisions for them. That vote does not matter nearly as much as the vote you will make for offices in your home town or state. We just need to decide if we want to spend the next four years listening to Obama change his views every other time he is on TV or McCain pretending to care about the average Joe.


/talksback is pretty big. we should write in Phil Livingston! At least we would get a day off of work for AC/DC appreciation day!

[Giles]

McCain (no revision of taxes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Obama (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Source?.... and that is only a "revision to pre-Bush tax cuts" and doesn't implement Obama's plan. Obama will not make Bush's tax cuts permanent but he will implement a new tax plan, including cuts for the middle class.

Here's CNN Money's breakdown http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

And a Tax Professor at the U of Cincy College of Law provides nice graphs that show the AFTER TAX INCOME for different earners under both plans http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/06/comparison-of-t.html

My personal belief is that millionaires should pay a higher percentage of tax. I just hope that a tax cut by either candidate won't hurt us too much. Both will increase the national deficit... which is not good... the candidates need to find a way to balance the budget. Cutting taxes doesn't do that.

[Giles]

When you vote for the president you are really voting for the face of the country. We voted for George Bush twice and he's been the face, not the decision-maker.
Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history but it wasn't because of what he did. Many choices were made by his party big wigs.


I agree, it's mostly true that the Prez is the face of the party and the subsequent face of the nation. The power struggles within the party are the really interesting part and where policy decisions are usually made. For example the Neo-Conservatives (Bush, Rove, Cheney) beat out the Moderate Conservatives (McCain) in the 2000 primaries. The rest of the party was obviously going to vote for either, it was just a matter of which philosophy they were going to follow.

The Obama vs. Hillary saga is another example. The Dems will vote for either but Obama won the primary and inter-party fight.

[bcherry8]

/talksback is pretty big. we should write in Phil Livingston! At least we would get a day off of work for AC/DC appreciation day!

Post of the day?

[bcherry8]

Back on topic, if i could vote, i would be voting for John McCain

[GRBball2008]

if i could vote (which i can) i would (and will) have voted (vote) for Obama. I don't want to state my arguements becasue i don't want to type that much.

[Attica Coach]

She has executive experience.

Yes she does, and so does the erie county executive. Erie County has more people than the entire state of Alaska. I don't think I am ready for somebody who has run Erie county to be a VP.

Also, neither McCain or Obama have any executive experience which might be good. Look at what the executive experience of George Bush has brought us!

I am voting for Obama. No big surprise there.

[boobiemiles]

Can you see Palin making the executive decision to go to war if necessicary?

[Attica Coach]

I'm one of the few that will say Bush was a good Commander in Chief. He didn't F around when it came to security decisions, he was a great public speaker


Didn't Bush start a war in Iraq when the real enemy was and still is in Afganistan. Great public speaker???? What planet are you on? He is probably the worst public speaker I have ever heard.

[TurnTwo]

Yes she does, and so does the erie county executive. Erie County has more people than the entire state of Alaska. I don't think I am ready for somebody who has run Erie county to be a VP.

Also, neither McCain or Obama have any executive experience which might be good. Look at what the executive experience of George Bush has brought us!

I am voting for Obama. No big surprise there.

True about the executive experience.

If it were Obama running against Palin, I would definitely vote third party. Palin doesn't have the experience to be President of the United States; I will concede that point. But, as many have said before, the Vice President's job is to check on the health of the President, haha.

I don't think it would be worth changing my vote for McCain on the off chance that something would happen while he is in office.

[Attica Coach]

True about the executive experience.

If it were Obama running against Palin, I would definitely vote third party. Palin doesn't have the experience to be President of the United States; I will concede that point. But, as many have said before, the Vice President's job is to check on the health of the President, haha.

I don't think it would be worth changing my vote for McCain on the off chance that something would happen while he is in office.

I lost alot of respect for McCain when he picked Palin. We all know he wanted to pick Joe L. but the conservative wing of the party would have killed him if he did that. So, to appease the right wing he picked Palin. There were so many other better QUALIFIED republicans like Rudy, Newt, and Romney. There were also better qualified women like Hutchinson.

The pick of Palin really disappointed me as a politics junkie.

[bcherry8]

Didn't Bush start a war in Iraq when the real enemy was and still is in Afganistan. Great public speaker???? What planet are you on? He is probably the worst public speaker I have ever heard.
The real enemy is in Afghanistan, yet every single terrorist involved in 9/11 had a Saudi Arabian passport. But, we would never do anything to them because they're giving us our oil.

[DrewVT6]

I lost alot of respect for McCain when he picked Palin. We all know he wanted to pick Joe L. but the conservative wing of the party would have killed him if he did that. So, to appease the right wing he picked Palin. There were so many other better QUALIFIED republicans like Rudy, Newt, and Romney. There were also better qualified women like Hutchinson.

The pick of Palin really disappointed me as a liberal politics junkie.

fixed your post.

If you were really a politics junky who wanted to see the best team elected you'd understand the baggage that Rudy, Newt and Romney carry. That baggage wouldn't last a second against the Daley Machine. I mean look at what their doing to Palin? Imagine if they didn't have to make things up?

It's nice to think ideally about having the most qualified people leading the presidential team, but if that were the case Obama would have been out of the running long ago. His experience isn't even comparable to McCains, but is very close to Palin's. But experience isn't all that matters and people are taken aback by eloquent speeches and good looks. But when you get a combination of politics that your base likes and made for TV persona you get people like JFK, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton. The Republicans didn't have someone to battle Obama in this fluff area that he is so strong in, and the addition of any of the other gray hairs you mentioned would have made matters worse. The party needed someone young and good looking that carried strong Reaganesque values. To find that package in a woman was an absolute coup for the party.

[DrewVT6]

Yes she does, and so does the erie county executive. Erie County has more people than the entire state of Alaska. I don't think I am ready for somebody who has run Erie county to be a VP.

This argument is trite now, but it was silly from the start. Alaska's budget is significantly larger than Erie County's and it's even bigger than Delware's (Biden's home state). Despite its small population Alaska is one of our most important natural resources and it's important in international affairs. The decisions made on how to handle Alaska's natural resources carries far more weight on a national scale than does voting "present" in the US Senate.

[timmy4]

Have I mentioned yet that Palin is hot and I am so into the glasses thing when you pair it with power and a cute face. :)

She looks exactly like the teacher/stripper from Varsity Blues. She gets my vote.

[fabut5]

McCain ALL THE WAY!! I hate the tax hike. I like the drilling but I also like the whole alternative energy source.

[Flash18]

I would vote for McCain because Obama has propsed 100's of billions of dollars to solve global warming.Global warming in not a prevalent problem at the current time. Aren't there more important things than global warming like the receding economy? Where is all the money for global warming "saviour" going to come from? TAXES. How about pulling out Iraq? It would be a shameless loss of human life if we pulled out now. It would be a loss for all progress we have made putting the lives of many Americans and innocent civilians at the mercy of radical islamic terrorists in say, what, 5 years. If we pulled out now, the cost would be lost. That is why I would vote for McCain

[me43]

Who do you guys want to win the election.

I like obama because he is more for the middle class and I think that's what we need right now. The economy will get better under him and he likes alternative fuels which is a good thing for our environment.

[TopShelf]

McCain.

As to Obama liking alternative fuels, every politician likes alternative fuels, but that doesn't mean we'll ever find any soon. McCain wants to use oil we have now, lowing the prices. That's a small chance for Obama, versus a guarantee with McCain. The economy will only look better if Obama wins. What we gain in surplus money we lose with federal programs being cut, and military bases being closed down. Lastly, McCain is just as much for the middle class. He wants to increase the tax exemption for people with children, and give $5,000 tax rebates to the middle class.

[bcherry8]

If I could vote, McCain would be my choice. A slightly better economy isnt worth sacrificing our military. Obama wants to blow money on alternative fuels and raise taxes. A better economy, really? Doesnt sound like one.

[Lukelakers]

If I could vote, McCain would be my choice. A slightly better economy isnt worth sacrificing our military. Obama wants to blow money on alternative fuels and raise taxes. A better economy, really? Doesnt sound like one.

could not have said it better......

[TurnTwo]

I merged the Obama or McCain thread with this already existing Election 2008 thread.

[TopShelf]

Someone way earlier in this thread said that, he prefers Obama to McCain, because McCain has changed his mind too many times. During his campaign, Joe Biden, Obama's VP candidate said that he believed Barack flip-flopped, way to often. Of course Biden has changed his mind now that he's #2 on the ticket.

[boobiemiles]

I merged the Obama or McCain thread with this already existing Election 2008 thread.
Solid work.

[me43]

I want obama. He is younger and not dried up like McCain.

[bcherry8]

I want obama. He is younger and not dried up like McCain.
And what difference does that make? The president has to be able to run our country, not be a rock star. The fact that Obama is young actually hurts because he has less experience.

[TurnTwo]

Obama is a celebrity.

He talks about hope and everyone buys into it. All a politician has to do is say "This isn't regular old politics. I am going to shake up Washington", and everyone follows them blindly.

He is a celebrity, and an excellent speaker. There's no doubting that. That does not mean he's prepared to run the country. He has no real vision, or plan on how to accomplish these things he promises the people.

[bcherry8]

Obama is a celebrity.

He talks about hope and everyone buys into it. All a politician has to do is say "This isn't regular old politics. I am going to shake up Washington", and everyone follows them blindly.

He is a celebrity, and an excellent speaker. There's no doubting that. That does not mean he's prepared to run the country. He has no real vision, or plan on how to accomplish these things he promises the people.
He feeds on ripping on Bush. He will never forget to do that in his speeches, because thats the main thing that gets people behind him. A campaign for the White House should focus on informing America of your plans to run the country properly, not mud-slinging.

[Giles]

A campaign for the White House should focus on informing America of your plans to run the country properly, not mud-slinging.

Agreed. Unfortunately, American politics today has become all mud-slinging, both sides. It's a sham and a shame.

[bcherry8]

Agreed. Unfortunately, American politics today has become all mud-slinging, both sides. It's a sham and a shame.
To me, that kind of campaign says, "I'm going to run this country into the ground, but my opponent will do it faster."

[TurnTwo]

He feeds on ripping on Bush. He will never forget to do that in his speeches, because thats the main thing that gets people behind him. A campaign for the White House should focus on informing America of your plans to run the country properly, not mud-slinging.

Exactly... and what good does that do? He's not running against Bush.

He talks so much about America's glorious future, yet he won't let go of the past.

[bcherry8]

Exactly... and what good does that do? He's not running against Bush.

He talks so much about America's glorious future, yet he won't let go of the past.
I guess a blown budget and a weaker military is a "glorious future."

[TurnTwo]

I guess a blown budget and a weaker military is a "glorious future."

Don't forget Universal Healthcare.

[bcherry8]

Don't forget Universal Healthcare.
Oh yes. So later on, if I need medical treatment, my treatment can be given by the lowest bidder, who turns out to be Dr. Frankenstein.

[lrfootball22]

Didn't Bush start a war in Iraq when the real enemy was and still is in Afganistan. Great public speaker???? What planet are you on? He is probably the worst public speaker I have ever heard.

im not really a bush fan but i mean come on who would you rather have at president right now bush or al gore? i mean al gore was just an idiot

[bcherry8]

im not really a bush fan but i mean come on who would you rather have at president right now bush or al gore? i mean al gore was just an idiot
If Al Gore were President back in 2000, by now we wouldnt have guns and would have probably been hit by another terrorist attack, yet did nothing about it.

[lrfootball22]

If Al Gore were President back in 2000, by now we wouldnt have guns and would have probably been hit by another terrorist attack, yet did nothing about it.

finally some one who agrees with me

[TopShelf]

If Al Gore were President back in 2000, by now we wouldnt have guns and would have probably been hit by another terrorist attack, yet did nothing about it.

I can actually agree with Cherry on this one.

[Attica Coach]

All a politician has to do is say "This isn't regular old politics. I am going to shake up Washington", and everyone follows them blindly.


See McCain/Palin!
All they do is use the words "reform" and "Maverick"

[Attica Coach]

I guess a blown budget and a weaker military is a "glorious future."

How much more "blown" could the budget get.

Clinton=surplus
Bush=Huge deficits and RECORD spending

[Giles]

If Al Gore were President back in 2000, by now we wouldnt have guns and would have probably been hit by another terrorist attack, yet did nothing about it.

Think about what you said...

With Bush...

we DID get hit by a terrorist attack

and

we DIDN'T do anything about it as we spent more money in Iraq than going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan

[TurnTwo]

See McCain/Palin!
All they do is use the words "reform" and "Maverick"

But she's so much more adorable when she says it. :p

I'll admit it does scare me that she could be one 72 year old heartbeat away from the Presidency...

[sbifarella111]

i would personally like to see McCain in office. He knows what he is doing. To me, it seems that Obama never really talks about the important topics. He talks about what will win him more voters, which i suppose is a good tactic, but all i hear is "change change change" tell me sir... what are you going to change? As for oil... its here so drill it!

[Lukelakers]

Think about what you said...

With Bush...

we DID get hit by a terrorist attack

and

we DIDN'T do anything about it as we spent more money in Iraq than going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan

Who was president when the USS Cole and the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993? I don't think you can blame a president for a terrorist attack. The entire government deserved blame...

[Giles]

Who was president when the USS Cole and the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993? I don't think you can blame a president for a terrorist attack. The entire government deserved blame...

The President absolutely can be blamed since he's essentially the leader of the government. Clinton and Bush have terrible anti-terrorist records.

I was commenting on how funny it was that people were scared that Gore would cause a terrorist attack and not go after the terrorists when that was exactly what happened with Bush.

[jmr4616]

Barrack is an empty suit. He gives these beautiful speeches and captivates all of our young americans who think he is just the greatest and way better than bush cus he can talk well. That is such a farce. They do not look at his track record and everything. His campaign is based on change yet he has never even brought forth a bill or law for change in his political career. Anybody could say that they will bring change but McCain actually has brought change actually bringing change to the table where Obama has never done that. McCain is a man who stands for change and what he truly believes in. In the spirit of this website it was McCain who led the steroids hearings in Washington trying to change sports. Obama goes to his luncheons with Oprah and all of his celebrity endorsements while McCain works for whats right in our country.

If Obama gets elected and pulls troops from Iraq like he says he will, then we are in a whole world of trouble. People are dying in Iraq but at a very low rate and these men have all chosen to be a part of this knowing they are putting their life on the line for the good of their country. It is part of their job description to sacrafice their life if need be. Iraq is not a stable government and until that happens we cannot leave. Iran is right next door and extremely dangerous. If we pull out than they will jump all over the opportunity that Iraq gives them and probably overtake them with the country so unstable. Iran would e very dangerous to us and must be contained from nearby rather than from afar and although we are looking for a man from Afghanistan we are still looking for him and it is known he is now in Pakistan. We have not left Afghanistan and any effort to leave Iraq before it is stable would be disastorous for the USA.

On a final note if Barrack Obama is elected than despite my love for USA the greatest country on earth, I will become a Canadian because he will ruin our country and run it straight into the ground. We will go from world power to welcome mat.

[jmr4616]

The President absolutely can be blamed since he's essentially the leader of the government. Clinton and Bush have terrible anti-terrorist records.

I was commenting on how funny it was that people were scared that Gore would cause a terrorist attack and not go after the terrorists when that was exactly what happened with Bush.

How long had Bush been in office when this happened? 8 months or so? he cannot change the terrorist tactics in that amount of time it was clintons policies that resulted in the attack and how many have happened since? 0. Clinton allowed people to attack without repercussions and Bush took the blame for it all. Had Clinton asserted the United States and went after the people who were responsible for the first attacks we may have been able to avoid the attacks on 9/11 and indirectly the mess we are in now

[Lukelakers]

JMR4616 your posts are dead on! I am so TIRED of the LIBERAL media shoving Obama down our throats as if he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am still trying to figure out how Keith Olbermann went from being the hilarious ESPN guy to the guy I most want to see get his face smashed.

[jmr4616]

JMR4616 your posts are dead on! I am so TIRED of the LIBERAL media shoving Obama down our throats as if he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am still trying to figure out how Keith Olbermann went from being the hilarious ESPN guy to the guy I most want to see get his face smashed.

Thank you and like you said what happened to unbiased news? Never existed haha but seriously the amount of good pub Obama gets is sickening it really hinders the ability to make an educated decision instead of one based on emotions and what is shown to you not the actuality of a situation.

[Giles]

How long had Bush been in office when this happened? 8 months or so? he cannot change the terrorist tactics in that amount of time it was clintons policies that resulted in the attack and how many have happened since? 0. Clinton allowed people to attack without repercussions and Bush took the blame for it all. Had Clinton asserted the United States and went after the people who were responsible for the first attacks we may have been able to avoid the attacks on 9/11 and indirectly the mess we are in now

Both Bush and Clinton deserve blame. It's been well documented that both ignored intelligence reports that suggested an attack was being planned.

[TurnTwo]

On a final note if Barrack Obama is elected than despite my love for USA the greatest country on earth, I will become a Canadian

Are you serious?

[Giles]

On a final note if Barrack Obama is elected than despite my love for USA the greatest country on earth, I will become a Canadian because he will ruin our country and run it straight into the ground. We will go from world power to welcome mat.

Where are we now? Our economy is horrible, we're in two wars, our political process is broken, our reputation around the world is shot, millions don't have access to health care, college is becoming unaffordable. IMO, our country is in the ground.

I don't think anything politician is going to change things, only the public can do that when we make ALL our politicians accountable.

Bush and his cronies have buried this country...

IMO, McCain is one step in the right direction and Obama is two.

[Giles]

JMR4616 your posts are dead on! I am so TIRED of the LIBERAL media shoving Obama down our throats as if he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am still trying to figure out how Keith Olbermann went from being the hilarious ESPN guy to the guy I most want to see get his face smashed.

There is no such thing as unbiased media. There is liberal media and there is conservative media. What's wrong is that nobody here will admit it. In the UK, newspapers flat out say they are leftist or rightist and don't put on a charade trying to convince people they are 'fair and balanced.'

[jmr4616]

Are you serious?

No but I believe he will ruin our country. Like I said earlier he is an empty suit who doesn't implement change but talks about it.

[lrfootball22]

ok for all these obama fans i just need to ask you all something... what has he accomplished in his life to make you all think he is ready to run the country?? he has never been a senator or made a budget or anything so what makes you all think he is capable of running a whole country?

[boobiemiles]

I'm not really an Obama fan, I actually don't like a lot of things about either of the two candidates... But Obama is a senator...

[TopShelf]

I'm not really an Obama fan, I actually don't like a lot of things about either of the two candidates... But Obama is a senator...

What? McCain's a senator too.

[TurnTwo]

The poster before Novak claimed that Obama had never been a senator. He was correcting his mistake.

[TopShelf]

The poster before Novak claimed that Obama had never been a senator. He was correcting his mistake.

So he did. Now I look like the idiot, damn.

[lrfootball22]

i ment to say govener

[anth31]

John McCain's never been a govenor either

[TurnTwo]

John McCain's never been a govenor either

He's never been a Governor either.

[TopShelf]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Governor, but he's ineligible for President.

[boobiemiles]

me too...

[TopShelf]

Ron Paul is a joke, and everyone that supports him has very questionable political views.

[boobiemiles]

I don't know who to vote for.

[TopShelf]

Your vote doesn't matter, Obama will win NY because this state is always liberal by a wide margin.

[boobiemiles]

Your vote doesn't matter, Obama will win NY because this state is always liberal by a wide margin.

:(:(:(

[TurnTwo]

Your vote doesn't matter, Obama will win NY because this state is always liberal by a wide margin.

In 1984, Reagan won every state except Minnesota.

[TopShelf]

In 1984, Reagan won every state except Minnesota.

Recently, the past few elections NY has been a blue state.

[TurnTwo]

Recently, the past few elections NY has been a blue state.

There's no disputing that. NY is a lock for Obama.

Which sucks for conservatives like us, because basically it means our vote doesn't matter. The electoral college is a dumb system.

[TopShelf]

There's no disputing that. NY is a lock for Obama.

Which sucks for conservatives like us, because basically it means our vote doesn't matter. The electoral college is a dumb system.
However, if the electoral college did not exist, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election due to his win in the popular vote.

[GRBball2008]

I agree, the electoral college is a dumb system. I believe a direct election would be a much better system. An electoral college made sense when voters were uninformed but now that basically everyone has the means to be informed about the candidates and there policies, i think a direct election would be a better way to decide who wins. And it really gives people the feeling that their vote matters.

[boobiemiles]

I agree with that. If there was no electoral college, I think that the number of voters would increase greatly, since people can feel that their vote matters in some small scheme of things.

[TurnTwo]

However, if the electoral college did not exist, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election due to his win in the popular vote.

Just because it benefited our candidate in that particular situation doesn't mean it's right, Pysher.

[bcherry8]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Governor, but he's ineligible for President.
You mean the Governator :)

[me43]

I like obama.

[me43]

And what difference does that make? The president has to be able to run our country, not be a rock star. The fact that Obama is young actually hurts because he has less experience.

And what I was saying is he is more energetic, has better ideas, and he is a Democrat. We've had a republican for the past eight years and are economy has sucked for the past eight years. McCain wants to do the same things as Bush and those things haven't worked. All McCain wants to do is fight fight fight. Have you ever watched the presidential debates, McCain sits there with a smart smirk on his face and always says smart-alec comments. I am also not a fan of Sarah Palin as well. I think Palin is in way over her head with being a vice-president because she has like three years of experience. In Ten years she would be a very good and smart running mate but i don't think she has enough experience. Now don't get me wrong, McCain and Palin are two very intelligent people but I don't think that they are suitable for presidency. Joe Biden is a good vice-presidential candidate because he shares the same views as Obama, has plenty of experience, and is a very smart man. Obama is, I think, a better candidate because he is younger, has better ideas, he is very smart, and has a solid running mate.

[bcherry8]

And what I was saying is he is more energetic, has better ideas, and he is a Democrat. We've had a republican for the past eight years and are economy has sucked for the past eight years. McCain wants to do the same things as Bush and those things haven't worked. All McCain wants to do is fight fight fight. Have you ever watched the presidential debates, McCain sits there with a smart smirk on his face and always says smart-alec comments. I am also not a fan of Sarah Palin as well. I think Palin is in way over her head with being a vice-president because she has like three years of experience. In Ten years she would be a very good and smart running mate but i don't think she has enough experience. Now don't get me wrong, McCain and Palin are two very intelligent people but I don't think that they are suitable for presidency. Joe Biden is a good vice-presidential candidate because he shares the same views as Obama, has plenty of experience, and is a very smart man. Obama is, I think, a better candidate because he is younger, has better ideas, he is very smart, and has a solid running mate.
Didnt you hear McCain at the last debate? "If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run for President four years ago." He is not comparable to Bush. You assume that just because he's a Republican. He fights his own party all the time. Also, even Biden would be a better fit as President that Obama would.

[m0rocco]

Didnt you hear McCain at the last debate? "If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run for President four years ago." He is not comparable to Bush. You assume that just because he's a Republican. He fights his own party all the time. Also, even Biden would be a better fit as President that Obama would.

Dude, you can't vote for like 10 years still.

[TurnTwo]

Didnt you hear McCain at the last debate? "If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run for President four years ago." He is not comparable to Bush. You assume that just because he's a Republican. He fights his own party all the time. Also, even Biden would be a better fit as President that Obama would.

You're correct. McCain was nearly kicked out of his own party a little over a year ago.

[Section5sportsguy]

McCain is out of touch with today's changing society. Plus he's old- what if he dies and Sarah Palin is president? My god. F'n Joe the plumber.

[TurnTwo]

McCain is out of touch with today's changing society. Plus he's old- what if he dies and Sarah Palin is president? My god. F'n Joe the plumber.

Sarah Palin is so adorable though.

[Section5sportsguy]

If McCain is elected president, i'll eat my hat.

[rockandroll34]

Yes he is a RINO (Republican in name only), but he is still a Republican and when he gets in office will place party favorites into key positions.
You are a smart guy. How can you possibly believe that the two party system doesn't lead to each group putting the guy in office that will best help the party?
McCain is the lesser of two evils in my opinion, but he won't be changing the lives of 90-percent of the people in this country. Maybe he will drop taxes a bit (I hope) and he will obviously make better social choices than Obama, but those choices he makes won't matter much as there are so many others in politics that need to get any true changes made.
When you vote for the president you are really voting for the face of the country. We voted for George Bush twice and he's been the face, not the decision-maker.
Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history but it wasn't because of what he did. Many choices were made by his party big wigs.
Now that we are near the end of his term, I'm one of the few that will say Bush was a good Commander in Chief. He didn't F around when it came to security decisions, he was a great public speaker (when he didn't stumble over his own words) and because he was in office we had eight great years of television.
McCain and Obama have the same lobbyists and top party members making decisions for them. That vote does not matter nearly as much as the vote you will make for offices in your home town or state. We just need to decide if we want to spend the next four years listening to Obama change his views every other time he is on TV or McCain pretending to care about the average Joe.


/talksback is pretty big. we should write in Phil Livingston! At least we would get a day off of work for AC/DC appreciation day!


That's nice of you Hilly, especially knowing how much your mother enjoyed seeing AC/DC with me.

[rockandroll34]

Post of the day?

I expected that from the follower that you are. So tell me, don't you feel a little ridiculous worshiping someone like Hilly.
I mean, seriously, its Hilly not someone anyone I know would put any envy towards.

[Giles]

You're correct. McCain was nearly kicked out of his own party a little over a year ago.

Close but not quite...

McCain thought about leaving his own party. Democrat party leaders held meetings with McCain staffers to try to convince McCain to become a Democrat. McCain was not happy with the direction the Republican party was going.

McCain has an impressive record and in 2000 and 2004 was a very moderate Republican. IMO, he's sold out for this election and changed his own beliefs to accommodate far-right ideology.

Unfortunately, I don't think he had a choice. Bush and his cronies push the Republican party so far to the right ONLY to win elections. They catered to the far-right (hard core Evangelicals) and didn't stay true to the moderate/populist Republican majority.

I would've voted for McCain in 2000 and 2004, but not in 2008. He's a real American hero but is not the better candidate for president.

[BathRamsFan]

If McCain is elected president, i'll eat my hat.

dry or with a condiment? lol I hope you don't have to, but it would be fun to watch! lol

[uptheline]

Sarah Palin is so adorable though.

Yeah lol. Ally Payne from Wink 106 was going to dress up as Sarah Palin for Halloween but the suit and the glasses were too expensive.
Ally Payne from Wink 106 (http://www.wink106.com/page.php?jock_id=2289&page_id=8995)

Also I love the new SNL of Sarah Palin. Pretty funny.

But I would like to vote for Obama. I dont think we need another 4 more years of the last 8 years.

[bcherry8]

Yeah lol. Ally Payne from Wink 106 was going to dress up as Sarah Palin for Halloween but the suit and the glasses were too expensive.
Ally Payne from Wink 106 (http://www.wink106.com/page.php?jock_id=2289&page_id=8995)

Also I love the new SNL of Sarah Palin. Pretty funny.

But I would like to vote for Obama. I dont think we need another 4 more years of the last 8 years.
You fall into the category of people blinded by Obama's propaganda that portrays McCain as the second coming of Bush.

[bcherry8]

Dude, you can't vote for like 10 years still.
I will be able to vote during the next election. You're my cousin, you should at least have a ballpark figure on my age, lol

[m0rocco]

I will be able to vote during the next election. You're my cousin, you should at least have a ballpark figure on my age, lol

I have no idea who you are.

[m0rocco]

This is no way reflects my opinion on either candidate but my work wife sent me this and I thought it was kinda funny and ya'll would get a kick out of it:

Great story I ran across today: Good story to pass around: Today on my
way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama,
I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a
"Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political
preference--just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided
not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the
Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief
while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who
I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily
stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and
told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the
money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather
unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was
grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry
that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient
needed money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing
to swallow in concept than in practical application.

[bcherry8]

I expected that from the follower that you are. So tell me, don't you feel a little ridiculous worshiping someone like Hilly.
I mean, seriously, its Hilly not someone anyone I know would put any envy towards.
I do not worship Hilly. Had anybody else made that post about you, I would have appreciated it just as much. Maybe if you didnt project your arrogant, nonfactual, and ignorant nonsense across the site, then I wouldnt jump on the chance to give props to those that insult you.

[pablospene]

Obama 08

[Lukelakers]

Yeah lol. Ally Payne from Wink 106 was going to dress up as Sarah Palin for Halloween but the suit and the glasses were too expensive.
Ally Payne from Wink 106 (http://www.wink106.com/page.php?jock_id=2289&page_id=8995)

Also I love the new SNL of Sarah Palin. Pretty funny.

But I would like to vote for Obama. I dont think we need another 4 more years of the last 8 years.


ally looks like your typical radio hole....O and A all the way!

[m0rocco]

ally looks like your typical radio hole....O and A all the way!

A million chicks are dressing up as her, I say boring and unoriginal

[jmr4616]

This is no way reflects my opinion on either candidate but my work wife sent me this and I thought it was kinda funny and ya'll would get a kick out of it:

Great story I ran across today: Good story to pass around: Today on my
way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama,
I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a
"Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political
preference--just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided
not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the
Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief
while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who
I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily
stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and
told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the
money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather
unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was
grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry
that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient
needed money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing
to swallow in concept than in practical application.

This made my day. I love it. McCain '08

[m0rocco]

You're welcome.

[RC4EVER]

Obama is going to be the next president and i don't care what you say. he made mcain look like a fool at all of the debates.he is going to win no matter what.

[jmr4616]

Obama is going to be the next president and i don't care what you say. he made mcain look like a fool at all of the debates.he is going to win no matter what.

Of course you think that but if Obama didn't win the debates i would have been shocked. His whole campaign is based on words and speeches and promises not action like mccain. Thats what debates are exactly it plays to his strengths look at track records and then make your decisions. Obama will not be a good President he will lead this country into the ground.

[m0rocco]

Of course you think that but if Obama didn't win the debates i would have been shocked. His whole campaign is based on words and speeches and promises not action like mccain. Thats what debates are exactly it plays to his strengths look at track records and then make your decisions. Obama will not be a good President he will lead this country into the ground.

I am voting for my dad, def.

[bcherry8]

I am voting for my dad, def.
Me too. Lol. Having my uncle be President would be sweet

[boobiemiles]

Obama's up 103-39

[quesadilla]

Obama's up 103-39


God help us..

[ugk23]

God help us..

if Obama wins GOD does need to help us

[TurnTwo]

Obama's up 103-39

Turn off MSNBC.

CNN has it at 77-34.

[boobiemiles]

270 is the magic number.

[boobiemiles]

I'm on a series of 5 different websites because I'm watching green mile right now.

[quesadilla]

National Popular Vote is at 49 - 50 in favor of Obama.. that's a tight race, too bad it's those electoral votes that count haha
if Obama wins GOD does need to help us
Agreed..

[hilly]

If Obama wins I might have to seriously consider quitting my job, packing up and moving out of the country.

[boobiemiles]

That is the most rediculious things I think I have ever heard.

[quesadilla]

If Obama wins I might have to seriously consider quitting my job, packing up and moving out of the country.

If only it were that easy, good luck finding somewhere better than the United States haha. I don't understand how Obama could win, it's ridiculous..

[hilly]

You think times are bad now?
Wait until Obama wins this, raises our taxes and starts instituting his liberal agenda. I'm not a McCain fan either, but he is the lesser of two evils at this point.

[hilly]

If only it were that easy, good luck finding somewhere better than the United States haha. I don't understand how Obama could win, it's ridiculous..


I'm thinking London. It rains a lot and the food sucks, but I enjoyed it when I visited.
Although, France has a four day work week and free health insurance.

[boobiemiles]

I got 103-54 Obama now...

[quesadilla]

You think times are bad now?
Wait until Obama wins this, raises our taxes and starts instituting his liberal agenda. I'm not a McCain fan either, but he is the lesser of two evils at this point.

I agree 100%! This is a scary night in American History..

I'm thinking London. It rains a lot and the food sucks, but I enjoyed it when I visited.
Although, France has a four day work week and free health insurance.

Some solid choices, also the accents are cool haha and french girls can be cute haha

[cohen50]

Some solid choices, also the accents are cool haha and french girls can be cute haha

They don't shave their armpits...

[hilly]

They don't shave their armpits...


When I was in England, we had a tour guide that was banging hot, but didn't shave her pits. I was still in love with her.

[quesadilla]

They don't shave their armpits...

I'm sure I could persuade a girl to trim up her pits a bit..
Way to get far off topic Brad. :P

[cohen50]

I'm sure I could persuade a girl to trim up her pits a bit..
Way to get far off topic Brad. :P

i apologize. hahaha. to get back on topic, Let's go Barack.

[quesadilla]

i apologize. hahaha. to get back on topic, Let's go Barack.

Brad, your captainship of the Leprechaun Lair is on the line.. now say, "GO MCCAIN!"
I'm only joking obviously, but stop with your nonsense.. You know as well as I do that Obama is a terrible choice, McCain isn't much better but he is the 'lesser of two evils'.

[hilly]

Just a heads-up guys, not that you care.
But my boss (Howard Owens) is going to be on WHAM 13 tonight to talk about the local elections and hopefully plug The Batavian. The newscast starts at 10 p.m. and I think he'll be on early.
I know we are all talking about the big election, but there are others going on as well.
Which brings me to another problem I have with this election. Why the hell is Baby Joe Mesi even a possible candidate?
He was a professional boxer that had to leave the sport because he basically had brain damage. I've interviewed him a few times when he was a fighter and future politician was not something I expected for his future, and that was before his brain got smooshed. And there was an AP story about a year ago when he got into a fight or something outside of the ring (don't remember the details at this point). I don't get how he got on the ticket.

[quesadilla]

I don't know what this world is coming to..

[cohen50]

well either way, it'll be better than it has been for the past 8 years. Thats how I view it.

[hilly]

well either way, it'll be better than it has been for the past 8 years. Thats how I view it.


I have a feeling that things are going to be a lot worse. We DO NOT need a Democrat in office right now.

[boobiemiles]

174-100 Obama is up

[hilly]

174-100 Obama is up


Fox says 163-81

[cohen50]

I have a feeling that things are going to be a lot worse. We DO NOT need a Democrat in office right now.

see, part of me thinks we do. I'd say a moderately liberal agenda could do nothing but help the state of our country, especially when we really are in need of change right now. There is no denying that things can not remain the same.

Gotta go with Obama here.

[soccerstud11]

I have a feeling that things are going to be a lot worse. We DO NOT need a Democrat in office right now.

Yeah, what we need is another Republican who votes the same as Bush on almost everything. That way we can keep spiraling downward economically for another 4 years.

[BDevil09]

Yeah, what we need is another Republican who votes the same as Bush on almost everything. That way we can keep spiraling downward economically for another 4 years.

I think Mccain is bush in thirty years after he develops a lazy eye

[hilly]

Yeah, what we need is another Republican who votes the same as Bush on almost everything. That way we can keep spiraling downward economically for another 4 years.

Bush sucked. I refused to vote in 2004 because I couldn't vote for him again and I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for a Democrat.
There can be change in the Republican party and we have plenty of capable people. But the "need for change" basically caused Republican voters to select a Democrat that is running as a Republican.
You can't blame the party for Bush. He sucked. But not all Republicans are morons that feel the need to use their elected office as a way to enforce his personal agenda.

[boobiemiles]

Bush sucked. I refused to vote in 2004 because I couldn't vote for him again and I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for a Democrat.
There can be change in the Republican party and we have plenty of capable people. But the "need for change" basically caused Republican voters to select a Democrat that is running as a Republican.
You can't blame the party for Bush. He sucked. But not all Republicans are morons that feel the need to use their elected office as a way to enforce his personal agenda.
I bet you're real happy right now that the Democrats have taken over the Senate

[quesadilla]

We need someone new, that is an obvious fact.. one of these two men will lead our country for the next four years until we hopefully find a more willing canidate, in my opinion.. I would much rather have McCain for these next four years than Obama.

[cohen50]

We need someone new, that is an obvious fact.. one of these two men will lead our country for the next four years until we hopefully find a more willing canidate, in my opinion.. I would much rather have McCain for these next four years than Obama.

As horrible as it is, I would have rather had Hillary than either of them.

[BDevil09]

As horrible as it is, I would have rather had Hillary than either of them.

Can a moderator please give this man an infraction for this post?

[quesadilla]

Can a moderator please give this man an infraction for this post?

I agree. Such things should not be said.. I hope you get your mouth washed out with soap :p haha

[BDevil09]

I agree. Such things should not be said.. I hope you get your mouth washed out with soap :p haha

I think his post deserves the anti-post of the day award... silly cohen

[hilly]

I bet you're real happy right now that the Democrats have taken over the Senate


It makes me sick

[bcherry8]

Well it looks like our country is now all but doomed to go down the toilet. Obama has a huge lead.

[quesadilla]

Well it looks like our country is now all but doomed to go down the toilet. Obama has a huge lead.

It's all downhill from here..

[boobiemiles]

199-124

[bcherry8]

199-124
*Starts saying prayers*

[BDevil09]

*Starts saying prayers*

A Mccain comeback would definitely be equal to the band on the field college football game

[boobiemiles]

Dude,

California-55 votes
Florida-27 votes
Indiana-11 votes
North Carolina-15 votes
Virginia -13 votes...

All still up for grabs...........

[bcherry8]

A Mccain comeback would definitely be equal to the band on the field college football game
If I wake up and see anything saying "President Obama," tomorrow, I might just refuse to leave my house for 24 hours.

[BDevil09]

Dude,

California-55 votes
Florida-27 votes
Indiana-11 votes
North Carolina-15 votes
Virginia -13 votes...

All still up for grabs...........

Obama most likely has florida, and at that point california couldn't save mccain. Obama is up on NC as well

[boobiemiles]

If I wake up and see anything saying "President Obama," tomorrow, I might just refuse to leave my house for 24 hours.



............. and that is going to accomplish what?

[hilly]

I need a drink. This is not good. I'm calling into work tomorrow, locking my doors and waiting for Iran to bomb the crap out of us and this idiot to have no idea what to do.
Heck, I should quit my job because my paycheck is going to take a beating as well. I'd be better off on the street getting change from people.
This is not good.

[quesadilla]

We're going to be in bad shape..

Come on McCain!!!

[bcherry8]

I need a drink. This is not good. I'm calling into work tomorrow, locking my doors and waiting for Iran to bomb the crap out of us and this idiot to have no idea what to do.
Heck, I should quit my job because my paycheck is going to take a beating as well. I'd be better off on the street getting change from people.
This is not good.
But Obama's wealth distribution (socialism) plan will make sure you get the money you deserve! Not.

[bcherry8]

............. and that is going to accomplish what?
I wont have to hear all of the idiots in our school that support Obama.

[boobiemiles]

I wont have to hear all of the idiots in our school that support Obama.
Who the **** gives a ****?

[bcherry8]

Who the **** gives a ****?
Because everybody rips on me and a select few others for supporting McCain, and its not something I need to put up with while im trying to learn. I would like to state that I am DISGUSTED with our student body, by the way.

[quesadilla]

Because everybody rips on me and a select few others for supporting McCain, and its not something I need to put up with while im trying to learn. I would like to state that I am DISGUSTED with our student body, by the way.


That line I bolded just made me giggle a little, cos it seems like something I would say which would be totally false coming from me. haha

[boobiemiles]

Transfer.

[boobiemiles]

That line I bolded just made me giggle a little, cos it seems like something I would say which would be totally false coming from me. haha
hahahah that line by cherry is all false haha.

[quesadilla]

Transfer.

Yeah bro, Notre Dame takes anyone haha

[bcherry8]

Transfer.
Well we arent rich, so it would be Elba, not ND I would go to. I personally want to throw up now after trying to envision attending that school.

[boobiemiles]

that line i bolded just made me giggle a little, cos it seems like something i would say which would be totally false coming from me. Haha
206-135

[hilly]

I wont have to hear all of the idiots in our school that support Obama.

That is the problem. Young people are supporting Obama because they are not educated. They haven't lived in the real world and think that the young, black, liberal guy will make us a better country.
All of these 18-21 year olds that are voting are voting for Obama, but most of them are making under $30,000 a year and are still holding onto the ideals that college professors are putting in their heads.

[bcherry8]

hahahah that line by cherry is all false haha.
Oh come on, Novs, I am an excellent student.

[boobiemiles]

Oh come on, Novs, I am an excellent student.
If you don't want to put up with anything while your getting your education, stay away from all of your friends, quit sports, and don't ever leave your house. Come on cherry! If anything, you should be talking about politics if anything.

[bcherry8]

That is the problem. Young people are supporting Obama because they are not educated. They haven't lived in the real world and think that the young, black, liberal guy will make us a better country.
All of these 18-21 year olds that are voting are voting for Obama, but most of them are making under $30,000 a year and are still holding onto the ideals that college professors are putting in their heads.
And we have all of these knuckleheads that are complete anti-war. No, war is not a good thing, but sometimes its necessary. If someone invades our country, do you really think we should just negotiate? Absolutely not. Also they think Obama will instantly pull every soldier out of Iraq. Sorry to burst your bubble, an immediate withdrawal is impossible and would be idiotic.

[bcherry8]

If you don't want to put up with anything while your getting your education, stay away from all of your friends, quit sports, and don't ever leave your house. Come on cherry! If anything, you should be talking about politics if anything.
You have no idea what nonsense the Obama supporters in our school spew from their ignorant traps.

[boobiemiles]

You have no idea what nonsense the Obama supporters in our school spew from their ignorant traps.
Based on your rants, I can get a pretty decent idea.

[bcherry8]

Based on your rants, I can get a pretty decent idea.
Thats not even 10 percent of it.

[Attica Coach]

You have no idea what nonsense the Obama supporters in our school spew from their ignorant traps.

It is probably similar to the ignorant rants that I have heard from the McCain supporters.

[boobiemiles]

Thank you for getting my point!

I was going to say that based on how much he was ranting, I could get the idea what it was like.

[bcherry8]

It is probably similar to the ignorant rants that I have heard from the McCain supporters.
All of the things I say about politics on here are based on fact. I think before I post when it comes to politics, because I know its a touchy subject.

[bcherry8]

Well I'm done posting tonight. When I wake up tomorrow, John McCain better be working on an inaugural speech.

[cohen50]

All of the things I say about politics on here are based on fact. I think before I post when it comes to politics, because I know its a touchy subject.

based on fact? there is no fact in politics.

[boobiemiles]

You will need a minor miracle for that.

[Attica Coach]

All of the things I say about politics on here are based on fact. I think before I post when it comes to politics, because I know its a touchy subject.

I was speaking of the rants I hear at school. Just today a girl asked me why Obama can run for president because he wasn't born in the USA. Also, I have heard students claim that he is Muslim.

[quesadilla]

I was speaking of the rants I hear at school. Just today a girl asked me why Obama can run for president because he wasn't born in the USA. Also, I have heard students claim that he is Muslim.

There was, for awhile an actual thought that he wasn't born in the US because he wouldn't show his birth certificate and his family is from elsewhere. Obviously if it were proven to be true, we would have heard, but i read a serious news article about it, i wish i could find it..

[cohen50]

There was, for awhile an actual thought that he wasn't born in the US because he wouldn't show his birth certificate and his family is from elsewhere. Obviously if it were proven to be true, we would have heard, but i read a serious news article about it, i wish i could find it..

come on shea. if he wasn't born here, he wouldn't be able to be the President. Let's be serious.

[Attica Coach]

There was, for awhile an actual thought that he wasn't born in the US because he wouldn't show his birth certificate and his family is from elsewhere. Obviously if it were proven to be true, we would have heard, but i read a serious news article about it, i wish i could find it..

He even put his birth certificate online for everbody to see. I don't remember any other canidate putting their birth certificate out there. Also, his mom was born in Kansas.

[quesadilla]

come on shea. if he wasn't born here, he wouldn't be able to be the President. Let's be serious.

I said it was obviously proven wrong Brad. I am just saying that it was there. Let's not even start with his buddy William Ayers..

[TurnTwo]

He even put his birth certificate online for everbody to see. I don't remember any other canidate putting their birth certificate out there. Also, his mom was born in Kansas.

The claims that Obama wasn't born in America are nothing short of ridiculous.

Do people honestly believe this could have slipped through the cracks and that the Clinton family wouldn't have exposed it earlier in the primary process? C'mon...

[quesadilla]

He even put his birth certificate online for everbody to see. I don't remember any other canidate putting their birth certificate out there. Also, his mom was born in Kansas.

I was just stating that at some point, it was being talked about.. so it is not as crazy an idea as him being a Muslim, obviously both are untrue..

[Attica Coach]

The claims that Obama wasn't born in America are nothing short of ridiculous.

Do people honestly believe this could have slipped through the cracks and that the Clinton family wouldn't have exposed it earlier in the primary process? C'mon...

They might be ridiculous, but that never stops people from believing it.

[cohen50]

I said it was obviously proven wrong Brad. I am just saying that it was there. Let's not even start with his buddy William Ayers..

Let's start. William Ayers is entirely insignificant. Obama was eight years old at the time Ayers' group committing the bombings.

[quesadilla]

Let's start. William Ayers is entirely insignificant. Obama was eight years old at the time Ayers' group committing the bombings.

Regardless of how old he was at the time of the bombing, he was friends with Ayers afterwards, even though the man was a terrorist.

[cohen50]

They both served on the board for an Anti-Poverty group! Come on! Thats not even the argument people are trying to make against him.

[Attica Coach]

Let's start. William Ayers is entirely insignificant. Obama was eight years old at the time Ayers' group committing the bombings.

We could also start talking about McCain's transition team which is headed by a guy that was a lobbyist for SADDAM HUSSEIN. Or we could talk about McCain's good friend Gordon Liddy who promoted that private citizens should shoot ATF agents in the head because they wear bulletproof vests.

[quesadilla]

We could also start talking about McCain's transition team which is headed by a guy that was a lobbyist for SADDAM HUSSEIN. Or we could talk about McCain's good friend Gordon Liddy who promoted that private citizens should shoot ATF agents in the head because they wear bulletproof vests.

It's not even worth arguing.. It will take a miracle for McCain to win at this point..
Socialism, here we come :/ (ugh).

[Attica Coach]

Obama 207
McCain 138

With California still to come! Obama is on his way :)

[quesadilla]

Can you say, Cult of Personality ? Look it up... not the song haha

[boobiemiles]

206-141

[hilly]

I don't know what to say anymore. This is just a bad night in American history.

[BDevil09]

Can you say, Cult of Personality ? Look it up... not the song haha

Stalin...Obama

They look similar

[quesadilla]

Stalin...Obama

They look similar

I don't know about the looks, but there are similiarities..

[hilly]

Stalin...Obama

They look similar


Obama also looks like Tom Turnbull from the Daily. That must mean we are going to lose our free speech :)

[hilly]

ABC just projected Obama the winner. I am now turning off my television

[boobiemiles]

Cnn just made it official!!!!!!!

[quesadilla]

http://www.neoconnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/baracksocialismeyes1.jpg

[DrewVT6]

It's done. Time to do the American thing and welcome our new President. It's a great historical milestone to have an African-American in the highest office in our land.

I feel that for Republicans who have dealt with 8 years of vilification of President Bush and comparisons to terrorists, Hitler, etc it's better to do the right thing and put out the welcome mat for a President elected by our best in the world democratic system.

[TurnTwo]

Regardless of what we think of Obama he will be our next Commander-In-Chief and at the very least he deserves our respect.

Congratulations and good luck, Mr. Obama.

[hilly]

It's done. Time to do the American thing and welcome our new President. It's a great historical milestone to have an African-American in the highest office in our land.

I feel that for Republicans who have dealt with 8 years of vilification of President Bush and comparisons to terrorists, Hitler, etc it's better to do the right thing and put out the welcome mat for a President elected by our best in the world democratic system.


I refuse to do the "right thing" here. I'm going to remain bitter and blame the uneducated voters of this country for the extra money that is going to be taken out of my paycheck for the next four years before we can get Palin into office. :)

[Giles]

It's done. Time to do the American thing and welcome our new President. It's a great historical milestone to have an African-American in the highest office in our land.

I feel that for Republicans who have dealt with 8 years of vilification of President Bush and comparisons to terrorists, Hitler, etc it's better to do the right thing and put out the welcome mat for a President elected by our best in the world democratic system.

Amen. If you guys didn't hear McCain's concession speech you must... very heart-felt and noble. He seemed like the guy I admired in 2000, not the one on this year's campaign trail.

[bcherry8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwDvF0NtgdU

Looks like I better start practicing.

[bcherry8]

Because soon America will be singing this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI

[quesadilla]

hahaha.


:eek:
I'm worried about what is in store for us in the next four years...

[m0rocco]

I agree with Hilly....most of Obaba's votes came from first time voters who are 18-22 and thought it'd be "cool" to have the first ever black president. I have no problem with a black president (ie: Best president ever was black, David Palmer) but they could have educated themselves a little better.

On to something that pisses me off more. How about these rich ppl use their own money to campaign instead of having to raise 600 million like Obama did. You want to be President then do it with your own money.

[The One& Only]

OBAMA!! We poppin bottles tanite, and all nite

[TurnTwo]

On to something that pisses me off more. How about these rich ppl use their own money to campaign instead of having to raise 600 million like Obama did. You want to be President then do it with your own money.

Yeah, that's much better.

A democratic system in which candidates are elected based on their wealth rather than their qualifications...

I completely disagree with your statement and I voted for McCain.

[cohen50]

I agree with Hilly....most of Obaba's votes came from first time voters who are 18-22 and thought it'd be "cool" to have the first ever black president. I have no problem with a black president (ie: Best president ever was black, David Palmer) but they could have educated themselves a little better.

On to something that pisses me off more. How about these rich ppl use their own money to campaign instead of having to raise 600 million like Obama did. You want to be President then do it with your own money.

you say that, but JUST AS MANY, IF NOT MORE white people didn't vote for him because he was black also. It goes both ways.

and plus, to argue your second point, rich people are only entitled to run for President? Come on man.

[quesadilla]

you say that, but JUST AS MANY, IF NOT MORE white people didn't vote for him because he was black also. It goes both ways.

and plus, to argue your second point, rich people are only entitled to run for President? Come on man.

I don't think he ever said whether the uneducated first time voters were black or white.. did he?

[cohen50]

I don't think he ever said whether the uneducated first time voters were black or white.. did he?

yeah you're right. my bad. well old people then. i know for a fact my mother and my grandma didn't, both registered democrats.

[daillest]

theres many reasons Obama won. most of all because his black. that is redictulas! 96% of blacks voted for him. you vote for the best person not because of the color of the person and thats what it came down to! secondly, WE ARE AT WAR! bring in the person who knows about it. idc what anyone says we need to be over there helping those people out and we have done a good job over there. and you can argue saying oh people die and what not, well they signed up for the army, they wanna be over there thats the risk in enrolling yourself. McCain should of won, if it was anyone else he was running against it would of been a whole different story. i think its crap how people voted, because of skin instead of using our brains to put us in the best situation now.

[anth31]

there's more whites than blacks in this country so hypothetically McCain should have won if people voted on just race

[boobiemiles]

theres many reasons Obama won. most of all because his black. that is redictulas! 96% of blacks voted for him. you vote for the best person not because of the color of the person and thats what it came down to! secondly, WE ARE AT WAR! bring in the person who knows about it. idc what anyone says we need to be over there helping those people out and we have done a good job over there. and you can argue saying oh people die and what not, well they signed up for the army, they wanna be over there thats the risk in enrolling yourself. McCain should of won, if it was anyone else he was running against it would of been a whole different story. i think its crap how people voted, because of skin instead of using our brains to put us in the best situation now.
It's over and done with now........

[hilly]

there's more whites than blacks in this country so hypothetically McCain should have won if people voted on just race


True, if all the white people voted for the white guy and all the black people voted for the black guy.

[anth31]

True, if all the white people voted for the white guy and all the black people voted for the black guy.

that's what I meant

[bcherry8]

Yeah, that's much better.

A democratic system in which candidates are elected based on their wealth rather than their qualifications...

I completely disagree with your statement and I voted for McCain.
He means if you have a guy with millions upon millions of dollars, then he should at least fund some of his campaign by himself. Those who arent rolling in cash would still be able to get funding.

[bcherry8]

theres many reasons Obama won. most of all because his black. that is redictulas! 96% of blacks voted for him. you vote for the best person not because of the color of the person and thats what it came down to! secondly, WE ARE AT WAR! bring in the person who knows about it. idc what anyone says we need to be over there helping those people out and we have done a good job over there. and you can argue saying oh people die and what not, well they signed up for the army, they wanna be over there thats the risk in enrolling yourself. McCain should of won, if it was anyone else he was running against it would of been a whole different story. i think its crap how people voted, because of skin instead of using our brains to put us in the best situation now.
This post is not meant to offend anybody. Although, like boobiemiles said, its over and done with, I agree with this statement. 96% of blacks voted for him, but there's no way in heck that 96% of white people voted for McCain. You have all of the liberals and white people who believe their own race is the cause for all of the world's problems voting for Obama, plus many people who were afraid that they would be called a racist is they didnt support him. Yes, there was racism involved, but the majority of it worked in favor of Obama.

[boobiemiles]

If your talking about race, explain how ridiculous it is that all of the south states voted for mccain

[bcherry8]

If your talking about race, explain how ridiculous it is that all of the south states voted for mccain
Almost all of the blacks in those south states voted Obama. Many of those states were won by narrow margins. Florida went to Obama.

[boobiemiles]

Were you watching the maps yesterday?

With the exception to West Virginia, virtually every state that was confererate in the civil war went to mccain, and vice versa.

[bcherry8]

Were you watching the maps yesterday?

With the exception to West Virginia, virtually every state that was confererate in the civil war went to mccain, and vice versa.
But Florida went to Obama, and that has the most influence in the south besides Texas.

[boobiemiles]

Florida was not part of the confederacy.

Texas was.

[bcherry8]

Florida was not part of the confederacy.

Texas was.
You originally said "Southern States," then bent the parameters so I couldnt talk about the most important state in that area.

[hilly]

that's what I meant

The race of the voters isn't the problem. The problem was actually that people were in a rush to make history and elect a black man, and in doing so elected the wrong person.
If Colin Powell would have ran, he would have been a much better choice and I would have voted for him over Obama or McCain in a heartbeat.

[boobiemiles]

No. I don't care that much to "Ben the parameters"

I said southern states because Florida has never held the same set of standards that the other states like Georgia or Alabama do.

[bcherry8]

I think McCain would have been better off picking either Guliani (spelling?) or Romney as a running-mate.

[hilly]

I think McCain would have been better off picking either Guliani (spelling?) or Romney as a running-mate.

Romney was my boy in the prelims!

[bcherry8]

Romney was my boy in the prelims!
New York is an extremely important state, and alot of the influence here in elections comes from NYC, and they LOVE Rudy.

[boobiemiles]

I can't believe anybody is complaining about who ignorantly voted one way or another.

It was a LANDSLIDE! By 10 oclock the route was on, and it didn't make a difference either way.

[bcherry8]

I can't believe anybody is complaining about who ignorantly voted one way or another.

It was a LANDSLIDE! By 10 oclock the route was on, and it didn't make a difference either way.
In terms of electoral votes, it was lopsided. However, it was not a lopsided election. In many of the states with alot of electoral votes, the votes were 51%-49%, 52%-48%, 53%-47%, etc. The popular vote was like 52%-48%.

[boobiemiles]

Thanks for telling me.......

[bcherry8]

Thanks for telling me.......
Well im just sayin that sometimes numbers can be misleading.

[RCcitymiller]

America....what have you done?


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