2007 Class B

[UNCTarheels]

Who Wins Section V Class B in 2007?

Bath- Star Running Back Andre Mcleod returns for his Junior year, as do Fullback Brett Havens, QB Jake Kuver and Defensive standout T.C Carroll

Hornell-David Zapata returns for his senior year and looks to carry the Red Raiders to a sectional title. How big is the lost of All State Linemen Sam Austin?

Geneva-The Defending State Champs lost a lot of seniors, do they rebuild? or Reload?

East-Rochester/Gananda-Upstart knocked of Bath-Haverling, can the "High Octane" offense win a sectional title?

[VFan05]

Until I get to see Bath at the 4 way scrimmage at Hobart in August, I have to go with Geneva. They return Bobby Martin, Jerimiah Allen, Jim Warner, Mike Raplee and Derrius Thomas from the state championship team. They have some holes to fill on the offensive line and they have a few kids that didn't start last year and a few coming up from JV. At this point, I have to give the edge to them.

[UNCTarheels]

All State 1st team Linemen Torrell Northrup-65 Tackles, 5 Sacks and recovered 3 fumbles.

All State 1st team Running Back Brian Fowler- 2,042 Yards rushing, 36 Touchdowns.

All State Second Team Linemen Kelvin Cruz

All State Second Team Linebacker John Warner

[football#1]

Any thoughts on how Batavia will do moving to class B this year?
Batavia's got it tough in that the B schools usually play other B schools as far as their schedule goes but Batavia is mandated to play A or AA schools(except for their 2 non league games) no matter what class they are in because they play in the Monroe County league which doesn't have any B schools I believe.

If they can make the tournament somehow I think they will do better than people think.Most of their starters are returning and have the confidence and love for football that has been consistantly missing from Batavia teams.The only question mark is quarterback(whats new!)and if they can figure that out before the season startsI think they will be OK.Coach Geiger is also the track shot put and discus coach and almost every one of the starters was on the team so he has been working with the most of the offense and defensive line on strength and conditioning year around 6 days a week while the head track coach has been working on speed with the skill players.Not only are they creating football players but they are also creating athletes,which can only help on the field.
Geiger definitely knows how to rebuild a program.

[VFan05]

It's really hard to predict what a team will do at this point because all you really have to go by is the previous season. I don't know much about Batavia but I do know they usually have some pretty good athletes so they could possibly be in the mix, you never know. But with Geneva, Hornell ER/Gananda, and Bath already in B, they'll have a tough time advancing far in the sectionals.

Also, I know you're a Bath guy UNC, do you know if Bath is returning to Hobart for the pre season scrimmage as they have the past few years and have you heard that there will be more than one defending state champion in attendence this year?

[football#1]

I don't know much about the class B teams because of the league that most of them play in but I've read that they do have some tough teams.I believe that Geneva and Hornell were state ranked last year and David Zapata is getting some serious press on scout.com.He was invited to their camp and ran a 4.4 40 and made all combine 1st team.This kid is definitely going to go D-1.Those teams are going to be tough to beat.

As for Batavia,they have a couple of studs of their own.They would of much rather stayed Class A due to the fact that they would play the same teams during the year anyway and there are only would of been 9 teams and 8 would of made sectionals. Class B has like 15.They also know those teams very well but know nothing about class B teams.

[hilly]

Any thoughts on how Batavia will do moving to class B this year?
Batavia's got it tough in that the B schools usually play other B schools as far as their schedule goes but Batavia is mandated to play A or AA schools(except for their 2 non league games) no matter what class they are in because they play in the Monroe County league which doesn't have any B schools I believe.

If they can make the tournament somehow I think they will do better than people think.Most of their starters are returning and have the confidence and love for football that has been consistantly missing from Batavia teams.The only question mark is quarterback(whats new!)and if they can figure that out before the season startsI think they will be OK.Coach Geiger is also the track shot put and discus coach and almost every one of the starters was on the team so he has been working with the most of the offense and defensive line on strength and conditioning year around 6 days a week while the head track coach has been working on speed with the skill players.Not only are they creating football players but they are also creating athletes,which can only help on the field.
Geiger definitely knows how to rebuild a program.



geiger is a great coach and batavia should be improved, but don't expect a sectional title this year. he still isn't teaching in the district so he can't get kids to play that aren't and there will be many sub-par positions. i think the offensive line should be better because they have been working pretty hard in the weight room. but quarterback and running back are both questions. brian ace got a bunch of carries last year, but isn't jermaine henderson. i think jj cabrera is going to touch the ball a lot.
look for batavia to struggle in the regular season a bit and maybe win a sectional game. anything more than that would be big.
batavia needs to hire geiger to teach so the best athletes start playing football. then things could be different.

[VFan05]

Unless Hornell forms some kind of passing attack aside from trick plays, it is no forgone conclusion that they will take class B next year. Geneva, Bath, and possibly ER will be just as good as them.

[VFan05]

And it was proved last year that when you run into a team who can pass the ball as well as they can run the ball, Hornell doesn't stand a chance.

[VFan05]

Hornell was the more impressive team last year? They were more impressive than the state champions? You can throw out all the stats you want, just go back and take a look at the game tape of the sectional final. And if you think Hornell is going to have more speed than Geneva you are delerious.

[hilly]

i have seen hornell play and they are for real. i was there when hornell beat le roy 22-7 in the regular season. that le roy team was awesome and finished one bad play (a fake punt in the final minutes of regionals) from making the state final four.
zapata had three touchdowns and 160-something yards rushing. if he's coming back, i wouldn't bet against this team.
i won't look at the football schedule for this year for another month or so, but i hope le roy has hornell on the schedule again. the coach is one of the best in section 5 - and a class guy - and the program is one of the best run i've seen. le roy is no slouch, but the hornell program is run even better. if the oatkan knights are going to make a run at states, which i think they can if they get by oakfield, cal-mum and pembroke in sectionals, they would be glad to play that team before the playoffs start.
i don't have any teams in class b other than attica, so i never have a team fighting for a title, so i don't know that much about the class. i've heard great things about bath and i voted for them to win ... but i have no idea which team is better. but if hornell plays like it did when i watched them play, i'm thinking they are not going to lose any game.

[VFan05]

Just because a team won the States does not mark them as the team with the most impressive season. In 1999 the Minnesota Vikings had by far the best team in the NFL with a 15-1 record while setting the NFL record for most offensive points in a single season in NFL history. They lost one time in the regular season to League rival Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But, they lost in the playoffs to the Atlanta Falcons, a much lesser quality team. But, on "any given Sunday" any team can win, and the Falcons proved that. The Vikings however, had unarguably the best team that season; they just couldn't put it together that specific Sunday.

Geneva had a great season, and no credit should be taken away from there State Championship, and it won't be. You're right, stats are just numbers; but they are kept for a reason. It just so happened that on that evening of football when Geneva played Hornell, Geneva's jocks were a little tighter.

I am not delirious when I say that Hornell will have a much faster roster than Geneva. It is a simple fact. Geneva had two lightning fast kids last season, Brian Fowler and Tremaine Green, not to mention a bulldozer in Kelvin Cruz. But, they are all gone. Hornell did not lose one single fast player. In fact, they are returning their star running back, David Zapata, who may very well be the fastest running back in Section V. There is not one single athlete on the Geneva roster that can beat Zapata in a sprint. In fact, there is not one single athlete on Geneva's roster that can beat the second fastest athlete on Hornell's team in a sprint. Those are not opinions; those are 100-percent facts.

You know, there is a reason why you are the only one of 16 voters who selected Geneva as your choice of team to win the Section V Class B Sectionals.

Yeah....that says a lot...IN JUNE! No one has even seen these teams practice yet. And you really need to do some homework my friend. What do you know about Geneva and their speed and how do you get off saying that Geneva's fastest is not as fast as Hornell's second fastest, and claiming that to be fact? Was there some kind of race that I was unaware of? Like I said...delusional. And if you are implying that Hornell was better than Geneva last year with your Vikings analogy, please go watch that game. It wasn't close. Hornell benifited from an extremely soft schedule that allowed Zapata to pad his stats. That, my friend, is a fact.

And as for me being the only one picking Geneva...I seem to recall last season being the only one picking Geneva, and getting bashed for it by people like you telling me that losing Jeff McNamara would hurt too bad and no one would be able to replace him. Well, my brother stepped in and made everyone forget that name, and took Hornell to school going 12-15 for 170 yards in that game. And I remember being told how Zapata would run all over Geneva, and then watched Geneva shut him down. And please don't spit his stats for that game out. Of his 157 yards 60 of them came on two carries and he had 0 touchdowns.

I have no problem being the only one picking Geneva.

[superheroaj]

Hornell has not had a passing attack since the days of Tom LaVerde back in 2002. They have been quite successful since. Vince Lombardi said it best "football is first and foremost a running game."

Then Bill Walsh said "it's not 1965 anymore, we're going to throw" or something like that.

[VFan05]

Well obviously we all now know your main reason for your argument for Geneva is that your brother is on the team. I know a tremendous amount about both teams and their speed. And, IN JUNE, Zapata raced Fowler head-to-head and guess what, "my friend", Zapata won!

Track and Field does have a lot to do with football. So, the races that you are unaware of took place all spring long. Those races are the ones where Hornell beat Geneva. Those same athletes are on the Hornell roster. Traditionally, the fastest and best athletes in Section V have done track and field.

Zapata only had 157 yards, 60 of which came on two carries, he still had 97 remaining yards. Sure, Geneva did a good job on keeping him out of the endzone. Zapata's "extremely" soft schedule was nowhere to be found. Hornell did not play against teams that allowed him to stat pad. He is approximately 900 yards off of the Section V record, so I don't see how you can possibly claim that.

Now, the topic of this discussion is centered on who is going to win THIS year. And, sorry to say, "my friend", Geneva's losses to graduation are huge. Hornell's aren't.

Some things are black and white. This topic is one of those cases. In the 2007 football season, forget what any team did last year, Hornell is the team to beat.

You're going to tell me playing Dansville, HFL, Livonia, and Way-Co isnt a soft schedule? Does Hornell ever play larger schools? Remember, my friend, Geneva's losses to graduation were huge after the 2004 season and everyone wrote them off then. And they proceeded to do something Hornell never could: make the state finals. And my brother being the QB is not the only reason I'm picking Geneva, a lot of it has to do with what I saw out of Zapata in last year's final, where it was proved that he is not capable of carrying a team to a title.

[VFan05]

Geneva is not an A school that got bumped to a smaller class. They've always been a B school save for two years; 2003 and 2005. But I hear ya. Agree to disagree. I think we can both agree that it will be a very interesting race, though.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

I will give you this, Zappatta is a great back. One of the best in New York State.BUT he lost what Gene Mastin called"The best line ever at Hornell". I agree he will get the reacords, but when it comes crunch time in sectionals he may find the running a little harder.

Geneva lost some great kids to graduation.But they are the champs and to be the champ ya gotta beat the champ so untill they get knocked off they are on top.

Bath has taken a lot of abuse because of the ER game last year. But lets not forget that most of the kids on that defense were sophmores, and also there best cover man was hurt and to be blunt they had a few kids that didnt come to play against ER. A lot has been made of Zappatta's speed but Andre Mcleoud was timed at a 4.52 40 on grass, which is very good....and he is a JUNIOR. The defense will be lead by TC Carroll who is benching almost 300 pounds and ran a 5.00 forty, on grass and he is a sophmore. I think Bath will be ok this year.

[Rams15]

I like Bath's chances at capturing a sectional title this year. The youth of their team last season sometimes reared its ugly head, but those are growing pains for any program. Yet... they still compiled a 6-2 mark with a predominantly sophomore-laden club, at the skill positions. Jake Kuver returns as QB. He has excellent foot speed, is a fierce competitior, and can throw the ball when asked to do so. It will be interesting to see who his targets are this year. I think that is a question mark for the offense ? Andre McCloud is a pure athlete. He is quick, shifty, and has outstanding lateral movement. If he gets any kind of an opening, you will not catch him. He has, however, had some difficulty running inside, but that is what Brett Havens is for. Brett had an outstanding game (over 100 yards rushing ) against Hornell last season when Andre was, in effect, shut down by Hornell's defense. I hear that some of the stronger athletes may be playing on both sides of the ball this season. That would be a huge boost because Coach Carroll has ( in the past ) liked to limit this to keep his players fresh in the second half of the game. TC Carroll is a stud on defense. He focuses only on football and is getting stronger and stronger. Rumor has it that he might play some center this season ?? Cody Hutcheson may see some time on the offensive end this season ? He does a great job at corner and once he gets a hold of you, you are down. His wrestling background pays dividends, here ! Eric Argenteri will anchor part of the defensive and offensive lines. He is very strong, quick, and fast for a lineman.

The underclassmen, that we have talked about for two years, will now be juniors and seniors. It is time to step up and shine. I think they are battle tested and ready to take their place as one of the elite programs around. Time will tell. Go Rams !!

[VFan05]

Rams15, do you know if Bath is coming to the 4 way scrimmage at Hobart again this year. That should be a good kickoff to the season with both Geneva and Corning East coming, two defending state champs and should give a good preview of what Bath is going to have to offer this season.

[Rams15]

I have not heard yet, at this point, but I will find out and let you know...

[SectionVDude]

cal-mum vs bath week 7 should be a barn-burner cal-mum has jon marozzi coming up from jayvee brother of recently graduated quentin marrozzi jon averaged over 200 yards a game for the past two years on jv any thoughts on this game? is it true that bath had tailgaters at the hornell bath game last year at bath?

[BATHFAN]

I know this will be a very heated argument over the next few months as to who will win Class B this year. My prediction on the rankings for the top 4 teams in class B are as follows.

1. Bath - Return a large number of skill position players most noteably Andre Mccloud who i believe to be one of the best pure running backs you will ever see. There are very few backs that can be gone any given play when he touches to ball whether it be a run, interception, or off a kickoff or punt return. He was only a sophomore last year and is splitting the carries with Brett Havens at the fullback positiion so he doesn't get the carries or recognition as Zapata but probably has much better vision on the field than zapata and will really open a lot of people's eyes this year as he matures.
On defense Bath will be led by T.C. Carroll who does take a lot of heat because he is the coaches son but the kid works very hard in the offseason and will be a force to be reckoned with over the next 3 years. I am leaving out a bunch of players that return for bath who are only in most cases juniors this year. Over the next few years Bath will be a serious contender for the State title.

2. Hornell - They obviously have Zapata coming back this year but he I believe you will see his production diminished this year with the graduation of pretty much the entire offensive line from last years squad. Hornell will be competitive in pretty much every game they play in this year but we will not see the same dominant Hornell team as in years past.

3. ER - I believe they will be the "Dark Horse" this year as i don't think they have the firepower to win the secional title with the graduation of their top reciever from last years potent passing attack but still have enough to cause "fits" for a team or two along the way.

4. Geneva - Geneva will make sectionals this year but will not be even close to the team they were a year ago. Looking over their roster they pretty much graduate all but 1 or 2 kids over 200lbs and on top of that lose Brian Fowler they will be rebuilding this year and in no position to contend with the top teams in Class B this year.


Just my opinion how i think things will play out and can't wait to see if i am right.

[SectionVDude]

bathfan is a homer lol voting for his own team as #1 :D

[VFan05]

Bathfan, just to add some info to your post, Geneva returns RB Jerimiah Allen who played very well in the state tournament and should have an outstanding year, QB Bobby Martin, WR/DB Derrius Thomas, OL/DL Mike Raplee who started as a Soph. for the state championship team and placed third at supersectionals in wrestling at 215, OL/DL Dom Carter who played well on the DL, LB/TE Jim Warner who has started on varsity since he was a 10th grader, RB/FS Tyler Travis who is an outstanding athlete and has started as a d-middie for the Geneva lax team since he was a freshman. Coming up from the JV's they have WR/DB Junior Collins, the brother of Ronnie Collins and the cousin of former Geneva WR and current Wagner WR Tyrone Collins, who was brough up from JV's for the Hornell game on and handled the long snapping duties as well as made 8 special teams tackles, OL/DL Carlos Pitino, a 6'3" 280lbs. monster who has been tearing up the weight room, LB/RB Kyle Shorter, a pair of tenth graders on the OL/DL, C/LB Joe Passalaqua. While I don't expect Geneva to be at the same level they were last season, they will still be very hard to beat.

[Rams15]

McCloud plays basketball. He used to play baseball, but decided to focus on the weight room this spring, I believe.

[BATHFAN]

Yeah like i am going to vote for Hornell to win sectionals

[DAMAGE INC 68]

WOW....comparing Zappatta to Barry Sanders I think that may be a little bit of a stretch. Zappatta is a great high school back and nay even be good in college but BARRY SANDERS.....PLEASE. And as far as the line question the quote I used was a direct quote from Gene Mastin in the D&C last season.He must think his line was more than just Austin.


Andre has been working on his speed for most of the off season. Bath has a speed camp every Saturday morning. He is also above the 155 he was last year. To think he would go a whole year of lifting and growing and not put on any weight is absurd.

Yes Bath will be at the Geneva scrimmage. That is a great scrimmage and shows who worked hard in the off season.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Really speed camps arent effective huh....I'll have to remeber that. Do you think that the weight training the kids are doing 5 days a week will help the speed any. obviously you are a Hornell fan which is fine BUT go against most of the positives said about Bath cause you arent a fan.

YES Hornell did beat them last year.BUT that game was closer than the score indicated.The only team to play them tougher last year was Geneva. By the fourth quater a lot of guys that played both ways were only goin one way for Hornell. And lets not forget that Bath lost one STUD from last years team that being Bryant Madigan, and while he will be very hard to replace I would rather try to replace one stud than twelve.

[DrewVT6]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Dan is NOT a Hornell fan.

[Rams15]

As Damage Inc 68 reported, Bath is indeed coming to the scrimmage. Last year, I believe that they scrimmaged Geneva, Midlakes, Eastridge, and maybe one other.

[VFan05]

I haven't heard anything like that. Did this person give you any names, Dan? I've called a few people who would know and they haven't heard anything about this.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

I strongly disagree about speed camp not working, I have seen first hand the positive effects of speed camp combined with lifting.

The thread that was deleted on Syracuse.com was about Geneva Highs coach not a student/player.

[hilly]

To elaborate, there are rumors about a number of Geneva students that are members of the football squad that tried to or succeeded in stealing and/or vandalizing an ATM machine. This occurred within the last two months. There was a forum on a Syracuse website (not sure what website) containing information on the topic. The thread was deleted, and the administrator of the forum warned the thread starter that if there were any more posts made in regards to the topic, since the news had yet to be official, the posters membership would be revoked.

If the athletes involved did in fact partake in such activities, they would indeed be suspended for at least the fall sports season. There has been no official news yet as the case is still under investigation, and since it is such a rare and extreme situation, no news will be made available until everything is confirmed.

My information was obtained today, June 13, by a very reliable source that has deep involvement in the high school football program, and has a child also involved in Section V football.

Once again, if there is anyone who has any information on this topic that can elaborate and/or clarify the details/truth of the matter, that would be excellent.




wow. that's a big story. i'm doing something on which school suspends for what. some schools in my area would give a two gamer for that. i'm thinking that would be pretty bad, but it depends on the school. robbing an atm is pretty bad. dang.

[DAMAGE INC 68]

Maybe you misunderstood me.Bath has a speed camp every saturday morning.That started the saturday after they got beat in sectionals.I wasnt saying that one speed camp is gonna help.BUT I have seen the large increases in speed kids at Bath have had from speed camp.

[DrewVT6]

**bump** back to the top...seems more people are interested in these now.

[Brumski75]

Don't agree with the order of your selections but I do agree with your "darkhorse" pick. They have an outstanding and unique offense which will give many teams headaches. Their defense was young last year and will benefit from another year maturity.

I am a Geneva fan and will always pull for them, but I my mind anyhow, ER will be the hardest team to prepare for this season.