AGR Selections and POY [Archive]

jmr4616

10-20-2008, 10:15 PM

I was going to say Rossi from bath for goalie too and he may be good but it will be tough being from bath you have to be absolutely phenomenal and get exposure near the city and i dunno if he has that. Rossi is already recognized from being on the team for baseball for last year. I bet carpenter and possibly smith get 2nd team like trinidad and brown did last year.

UNCTarheels

10-21-2008, 08:10 AM

Rossi was 2nd team last season and has like 13 or 14 shutouts already this year i'd think if Bath wins Sectionals again and advances into the State Tournament Mike Rossi will make 1st team, also I agree Jay Carpenter & John Smith have shots at 2nd team and depending on how far they go one could jump into the 1st team

irishking09

10-21-2008, 08:28 AM

ed farrel of bishop kearney has 27 goals. he should be on there somehwere too.

DrewVT6

10-21-2008, 09:03 AM

Jay Carpenter is damn good from Bath. Maybe not POY but def should make AGR team

I agree. Him and Rossi should both be in consideration and if they do well in games played in Rochester for sectionals, I think they'll both be. If not, I'll guess only Rossi will make it.

DrewVT6

10-21-2008, 09:05 AM

Who do you guys have for AGR and POY

I have Reidy POY again i can't see who else would get it

Baker-McQ
Crawford-Thomas
Figueroa (I dunno which ones)-Freddie Thomas
Conley- Brockport
Ebangwese- Sutherland
Trinidad- HFL
Day-HFL
Griffin-Victor
Barnhart-Brockport
Kolb-AQ
Lobene-AQ

I dunno about defenders wanna hear some opinions
Probably Marcelino and Eduardo Figueroa will be included. Marcelino leads Section Five with 46 goals.

I would include Andrew McGinnis from Brockport before I'd include Barnhart.

I think Aaron Rygiel from Alfred-Almond should be included, but most likely won't be.

Tyler Holbein from Webster-Christian is one of the most skilled players in the greater Rochester area. I'm not sure he'll get included if W-C doesn't get into the state championship game.

Eli Vitale from Red Creek should be on the list as well.

Brendan Kazmierski from Spencerport will probably be on the 2nd team as GK. I assume they'd put Mike Rossi first team since he's a senior.

jmr4616

10-21-2008, 06:51 PM

To get on the team from a small school not in the city you have to have ridiculous stats or a state championship like you said so i dunno about some of those guys and with the brockport kid i just went by stats i haven't seen him play. Red Creek usually wins sectionals and some states so those kids got a good chance.

sherjef 61

10-21-2008, 08:07 PM

pick any starting defender from bath they are all worthy just ask trinidad and day

TakeNotes134

10-21-2008, 08:30 PM

Rossi should be first team, and carp should be like 2nd

jmr4616

10-21-2008, 09:50 PM

pick any starting defender from bath they are all worthy just ask trinidad and day

I dunno about that. A lot of baths defensive success is their mentality as a team. I'm not saying that they aren't good players but AGR is for the best players in the area and I highly doubt that all 4 defenders are the best in the area maybe if you pick their best one but even still Rossi will get all of the credit for the defense if he gets chosen. bath plays a pack it in defense and is great as a team its not the individual.

bath#1

10-22-2008, 06:14 AM

jmr4616

10-22-2008, 09:49 AM

I think Bath has a system on defense because we lost a bunch of good seniors last year. Some new guys on that team had to step up big this season but yes jmr your right about Rossi, he will get noticed for the majority of the defensive success

Nope they have always had it ever since i have played them which is since like 9th grade. I can't remember modified but it wouldn't surprise me. They pack it in on defense then counter quickly thats why fast players up top are so successful in their system they let you make a mistake then pounce on it. It's how they have been since I've played them and it has worked very well so I think that is the reason that it happens. Also Rossi's numbers are so gaudy because in that system they don't give up a lot of shots. He is a good keeper but his stats are a direct reflection of the team and their philosophy. I think with a different system those numbers wouldn't be so great but an AGR selection for him is well earned and a reflection of the whole team.

DrewVT6

10-22-2008, 10:58 AM

Nick Garcia - Athena will most likely be on the list.

Spen Mic 4

10-28-2008, 05:46 PM

do they come out with results after sectionals?

jmr4616

10-28-2008, 09:18 PM

The results won't be out for a while usually it's like december when they actually name the teams.

DrewVT6

10-29-2008, 08:08 AM

Thanksgiving week is when they're usually in the D&C.

sftballrules

10-29-2008, 09:20 AM

The kid from Brockport should make AGR, Barnhart, along with one of two other from that team.

DrewVT6

10-29-2008, 09:38 AM

The kid from Brockport should make AGR, Barnhart, along with one of two other from that team.

That'll depend on Thursday night's game with Thomas. If Brockport wins, they could put 2-3 on the list. If not, it'll probably be just 1. Barnhart obviously leads that team in scoring, but Conley and McGinnis are really what makes that team go.

fan7979

10-29-2008, 09:52 AM

Right now is hard to tell -- I would say Reidy but who knows -- does'nt seem to be anyone that really stands out there this year. I would have said Baker from Mcquaid but with them out early, he should be out of the running.

bleedingblue13

11-03-2008, 06:14 PM

I dunno about that. A lot of baths defensive success is their mentality as a team. I'm not saying that they aren't good players but AGR is for the best players in the area and I highly doubt that all 4 defenders are the best in the area maybe if you pick their best one but even still Rossi will get all of the credit for the defense if he gets chosen. bath plays a pack it in defense and is great as a team its not the individual.

ITS NOT PACK IT IN!!! While this was our defense last year we are not the same team! We play a 4-4-2, just like almost everyone else. We don't have a defensive midfielder. Just because our players get back quick doesn't mean we pack it in. I think Sam Robbins is a phenomenal defender and should be considered for 2nd team definitely. Our defenders step to the ball well, play one on one's well, an d cover for each other very well too. While they are very disciplined and we have a very good defensive strategy with those four, It cannot all be chalked up to the system. They are all great defenders, and have come up with countless clutch plays for us individually ( Luke Ferree coming back after being beaten by Johnny Day on a break away and sliding in to kick the ball away as he shoots, Dylan Wales clearing a shot off the line with his head from a corner, etc.) These guys are great players, and should be considered too. As for Rossi, just ask anybody at the Class BB final about the two saves he had on the shootout.

Soccer7

11-06-2008, 10:03 PM

At the section V banquet:

Player of the Year: Mike Reidy (Webster Thomas)
Large School Coach of the Year: Mike Merrill (HFL)
Small School Coach of the Year: Mike Skivington (Wheatland-Chili)
Private School Coach of the Year:Bryan Mastin (Houghton)

Rams15

11-21-2008, 06:35 AM

I was told by a D & C sports reporter last night that the AGR Team for soccer will come on the Friday after Thanksgiving. Look for it then.

jmr4616

11-21-2008, 09:31 AM

Congratulations to Mike for making the team then! Easy to infer things when you know who somebody is lol. Having a very good week with signing his letter and finding out about AGR for sure after speculation.

Rams15

11-21-2008, 11:09 AM

I apologize. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. I was trying to be helpful providing information for a time line because some people had asked when the AGR teams come out.. I am getting old ! I didn't even think of the connection ( inference ) that could be made. That was about stupid on my part. I do know, though, that the only names left on the table that had not arrived yet were, " no brainers." Reidy from Thomas, Smith from Fairport, and the young man from Sutherland. Ngwese .... ? I am not even going to try and spell his name. Wish I could be more help now that the " cat is out of the bag." Oh jm.. you will be glad to know we passed Trinadad on the way out. That's all got man.

jmr4616

11-21-2008, 11:19 AM

Haha I didn't think that you made the connection and were just trying to help out. I like the little inside scoop actually. I'm glad to know that Mike made it hopefully Jonny did as well. i can't imagine that he didn't after his sectional performance. Congratulations to Mike again and thanks for the info

Spen Mic 4

11-21-2008, 01:12 PM

Garhett Varin of Wheatland-Chili reportedly made the team as well.

DrewVT6

11-21-2008, 01:47 PM

Garhett Varin of Wheatland-Chili reportedly made the team as well.

So our list looks like this so far:

GK - Mike Rossi (Bath)
F - Ngwesse Ebangwese (Sutherland)
M - Mike Reidy (W-T)
M - Mike Trinidad (HFL)
M - Ryan Smith (Fairport)
F - Garhett Varin (Wheatland-Chili)

Soccer7

11-24-2008, 08:19 AM

Also

M- Eli Vitale (Red Creek)
M/F- Aaron Rygiel (Alfred-Almond)

DrewVT6

11-24-2008, 09:29 AM

Also
DJ Barnhart M (Brockport)

Spen Mic 4

11-24-2008, 07:03 PM

Decent turnout for the small schools so far, eh?

sectionvguy1

11-26-2008, 05:04 PM

could that be cecause none of the large school people really post all that often?

Spen Mic 4

11-26-2008, 07:11 PM

could that be cecause none of the large school people really post all that often?

AGR player selections has pretty much nothing to do with this forum.

bballfan00

11-30-2008, 04:39 PM

I was told by a D & C sports reporter last night that the AGR Team for soccer will come on the Friday after Thanksgiving. Look for it then.

they weren't in there Friday. when are they coming out?

DrewVT6

11-30-2008, 05:44 PM

they weren't in there Friday. when are they coming out?

Yeah this is strange. I thought we'd see the list this weekend and football next weekend.

sftballrules

12-03-2008, 07:11 AM

Yeah this is strange. I thought we'd see the list this weekend and football next weekend.

It's out, I am looking forward to the discussion on the selections.

UNCTarheels

12-03-2008, 07:16 AM

2008 All-Greater Rochester Boys Soccer Team (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081203/SPORTS08/311280002?GID=/wI1/sas6yTIpO/gz2v+DIqoHC4E/PsVqFP2siPG/mk%3D)-D&C

DrewVT6

12-03-2008, 08:33 AM

It's out, I am looking forward to the discussion on the selections.

If they're going to pick an AGR team, don't you think it'd make sense to pick an ACTUAL soccer team?

Imagine if the AGR football team was all RBs and QBs!!!! The team is practically just a list of "Section Five's Leading Scorers".

The only player they have listed as a defender, Nick Garcia, is a midfielder.

I know picking defenders in soccer is a bit difficult, but so is picking lineman in football. It can be done and it should be done.

sftballrules

12-03-2008, 09:05 AM

If they're going to pick an AGR team, don't you think it'd make sense to pick an ACTUAL soccer team?

Imagine if the AGR football team was all RBs and QBs!!!! The team is practically just a list of "Section Five's Leading Scorers".

The only player they have listed as a defender, Nick Garcia, is a midfielder.

I know picking defenders in soccer is a bit difficult, but so is picking lineman in football. It can be done and it should be done.

I agree. Why can't they say, 3 defenders, and the rest midfield and forwards and of course goalie. The way it is now it's like having a softball AGR of 8 pitchers a catcher and SS. It's unfortunate that some good players have been left off due to position.

jmr4616

12-03-2008, 09:08 AM

If they're going to pick an AGR team, don't you think it'd make sense to pick an ACTUAL soccer team?

Imagine if the AGR football team was all RBs and QBs!!!! The team is practically just a list of "Section Five's Leading Scorers".

The only player they have listed as a defender, Nick Garcia, is a midfielder.

I know picking defenders in soccer is a bit difficult, but so is picking lineman in football. It can be done and it should be done.

I also agree i mean after playing for a few years you know who the best defenders are. Ask some of those forwards who it was hardest to play against or coaches or something i mean when there are good players on defense its easy to tell. When I played we had a really good sweeper and he cleaned up everything so it was easy to tell. A lot of times good defenders are dominant in the air too. Last years team had a few defenders I remember because I was surprised our sweeper didn't make it.

sectionvbballfan1985

12-04-2008, 07:42 AM

Ed Farrell from Bishop Kearney got shafted.

I think he finished 5th in section V in goals, while scoring 70% of his team's goals, and he doesn't even make 2nd team?

The AGR system is a joke, it's basically the top scorers from Aquinas, Webster, and Pittsford.

Portero663

12-05-2008, 02:35 AM

This years AGR teams were a total joke. As a former professional player & coach i have to say that some of these selections were just mind boggling. To start with the 1st team. Nothing against the class d schools but who do they really play? I know I am going to get hammered on a ton, but stop & really think, are these the top players & do these kids play top class club football? In defense of the lower class teams eli Vitale & rygiel are an exception to this rule these kids have had top coaching & are class players. specifically, I went to Paetec to watch a class D match & was just downright frustrated with what was called soccer. There was a ton of running & hustling but that was due to lack of technique. When I saw that 1 player from was on the first team & another on the second team I just plain upset. This kid is probably a fine young man but as a soccer player he just did not have it & it was just not him to be fair. The second team pick was not a player of any quality either. I mean when these coaches vote does part of seeing talent equal: technical abillity, tactical, vision, work rate, speed of play. Does he raise the level of the teams play, or does he just pump the ball up field & run like a madman up the pitch. Sorry I just had to vent a bit.

Portero663

12-06-2008, 11:51 AM

As a former pro soccer player & now as a coach I am finding that when post season honors are being doled out I am left wondering do many of section V soccer coaches really know the game? I dont want to be nasty here I just question many of the post season honors especially AGR. Aside from Red Creek & Bath I have to say that the soccer being played @ the C& D levels are just atrocious. Most of the time the play is predicated on the long ball with no possible thought of combination play, or even an attempt at good defending. It starts at the youth levels through proper training, & having a competant coach teaching the game. Most of the AGR picks are going to find it difficult to be an immediate impact at the Div III level. dont get me wrong there were good selections for the AGR team (s) but some of the selections were just plain ridiculous. These selections need not be made or voted on solely on stats, such as goals scored, GAA, etc, but rather on level of competition, pure technical abillity & skill. time & again I have seen honorable mention kids walk on to D1 schools while 1st team AGR players sit the pine at DII schools. So a kid scores 60-70 goals in C or D than he cant even see the pitch in DII. When I was in high school there was one player from outside Monroe county on the first team, the rest were deservedly so from Rochester. As a former coach who is now in the WNY soccer hall of fame told me, " I constantly informed kids that they had to py nore like a Rochester player & less like a player from outside the area. The kid took it hard but took the criticism & went on to be a professional, Andy Gustafaro. As coaches lets continue to be students of the game. I hope I have not offended anyone but if I did it is not my objective here.

DrewVT6

12-06-2008, 12:21 PM

There's 4 kids from outside the county, all very deserving.

But for arguments sake, here's why more kids outside of Monroe County are deservedly on the team:
Premier Level Travel Clubs.

I think you already know that.

The kids who are on the team from small schools have all played high level competition during the summer. Honestly I don't see any complaints on this year's team besides the fact its all forwards and midfielders.

Anyways, your long ball up and down analysis applies to most of the teams in Monroe County as well, aside from the top 3-4 teams.

Portero663

12-06-2008, 05:36 PM

By what I saw Rygiel & Vitale are legitimate but the wheatland player (s) on each team were not legit. And just because a kis is on RFC or ODP does not make him a qualty player. I see that on my high school team I am asst at. Oh, I hope I did not leave out any other "premier club". Its a bout money when some of these kids play "premier" club ball in the summer so these coaches get paid. I know this because I am told this all the time by the coaches I work with who are in the clubs in the summer. additionally I know for a fact that Conor O' Leary did not get a single first team AGR vote last season but he is asked by Cirovski @ region camp to walk on at Maryland. He played for RFC, 7 for some reason the kid ends up a second team AGR selection. By the way O'leary is on the team at Maryland even though he redshirted. So, by saying I already knew that some of these picks are due to club play was a bit off. another example is how is Brendon Conley not a 1st team selection but Barnhart is? Stats. pure & simple. people who know the game realized Conley made that team go. No, I am not affiliated w/ Brockport either.

DrewVT6

12-06-2008, 09:03 PM

...another example is how is Brendon Conley not a 1st team selection but Barnhart is? Stats. pure & simple. people who know the game realized Conley made that team go. No, I am not affiliated w/ Brockport either.

If you read the entire thread I think you'll see I agree with you on that. In fact I'd rather see Andrew McGinness on 1st or 2nd team. I am less skeptical of Barnharts inclusion though after watching him through sectionals. His set piece abilities and knack for being in the right place at the right time made him invaluable to that Brockport team.

I guess my expectations of the team being a complete popularity contest leaves me less frustrated by the players included on this year's team than past teams.

exlaxer78

12-06-2008, 09:50 PM

.... another example is how is Brendon Conley not a 1st team selection but Barnhart is? Stats. pure & simple. people who know the game realized Conley made that team go. No, I am not affiliated w/ Brockport either.

Totally agree. No goals this year but he was an invaluable member of the Brockport team, and should be given a lot of credit for the teams success. Oh and BTW I am affiliated w/ Brockport as my son played on that team and I saw every game. Brandon Conley's a 1st teamer for sure!

AlwaysRunning

12-06-2008, 10:26 PM

Spen Mic 4

12-08-2008, 12:57 PM

Varin from Wheatland is a very good player. I watch a lot of soccer every year and there are just as many non-Rochester teams that play good soccer as there are in Rochester. There are also as many Rochester teams that play kick and run and just bang the ball around the field as there are out of Rochester. The better schools in Rochester have more quality players, but they are also 6 times bigger so they should.

There are always kids on AGR that don't belong and kids that do that get left off. Many times it is defenders (as is the case this year) and many times kids with stats get on there too. Thats the nature of all "all-star" teams. But to basically say that non-Rochester teams are all bang ball teams is unfair and incorrect.

Played with Varin my whole life, and I think he was deserving. I've been to large school games, and I will be the first to agree with the points of classifications of C and D soccer. It is practically a war in comparisson to A AA and AAA soccer. But judging Varin, for example, based on the game...its not their fault that they have to play like that because the other team is constantly wrecking them. I think Varin was fouled atleast like 20 times in the postseason by unskilled goons.
I believe he could have started on just about any team in section v.