Cal-Mum vs Avon

[LT for president]

I know its early to talk about but there is so much talk on other threads about these two teams. They play on December 16th at avon. I want to know who you think will win and why. please keep posts based on this

[sHooTiN 3's]

cal mum! avons gunna over look them and not be ready for their physical style of defense

[hornets10]

cal-mum... with EASE, avon will still be in football season

ya but itll be close

[boobiemiles]

Avon wins big.

[Bravesfan08]

Avon....I would say it won't be close because I think Avon is the much better team, but Avon-Cal-Mum is always a battle so you never know for sure.

[lcaa5]

Most peoople say that the guards are the reason why cal mum will win this game.......avons guards are better period. Banach had a great summer and may be the best balll handler in the county, garret is the best defender in county and phillips is the best shooter in the county. I am from letchworth and watched avon played many times last year against perry and these three carried their teams most games in a 22-1 season. Thats not even counting last years poy matt mcbride. Cal Mums only chance is if they knock down every 3

[Braves2410]

how are they not physical just because CM hands out cheap uncalled for fouls doesnt make them any more physical than avon

[studlystuderson2]

i think the team that can handle the pressure the best will win which is why i say Avon will win they are home and have the crowd in their favor.

[lcaa5]

i think the team that can handle the pressure the best will win which is why i say Avon will win they are home and have the crowd in their favor.

He is completely true with this statement. Avon does have the fans and experience on their sides when it comes to pressure in big games. Kesel and Phillips last year against hornell showed that they can handle pressure.

[ching01]

Most people say that the guards are the reason why cal mum will win this game.......avons guards are better period.


Avon. I am not sure who has ever said that calmums guards are better than avons because that is not a smart statement. Banach Kesel and Phillips all are three year varsity players. Banach had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio last year which is one standard used to determine a good point guard. Best ball handler in the county by far and a very good defender. Phillips had 30 something three balls last year and kesel is the best defender in the county easily, and he is dangerous all over the floor offensively. Then we have last years POY McBride...enough said. Along with Housel and Upwright who both can be beasts on the boards and down low. Not to mention Barrett and Passarrel who are both very athletic, can play defense and provide real good minutes off of the bench. O ya and also two solid juniors Campbell and Perry who would play a lotttttt more on a team that wasn't so stacked up. Either way they will get some good minutes with a lot of blowouts. So with all of that yes wilson needs to make every shot...along with all those other guards who are "better" than somebody? i dont know who but not avons guards, they need to shoot 100 percent. and the big men will have to beat up avons frontcourt (wont happen). Calmum might have more size now but without rodgers and lauffer hitting all those threes they did against us does anybody really believe avon won't win? I mean come on we should really look at this seriously people. Worst case scenario avon plays terrible defense and shoots like 30 percent and they still win by a couple buckets.

[boobiemiles]

Guaranteeing wins is not a smart business.

I bet Coach Fries really appreciates it.

[ching01]

Guaranteeing wins is not a smart business.

I bet Coach Fries really appreciates it.


Where do you see the word guaranteed in my post? Yes I am going to say that unless cal mum plays out of their mind they aren't going to win, but that's not a guarantee, that is a fact. Also isn't the thread asking who will win this game?? So I gave my opinion basically breaking down each team and if anyone would like to comment on my post then do it. Also what I said isn't exaggerations or biased opinions, it is facts. Avon goes ten deep and has the best shooter, ball handler, and defender in the county, so If you would like to argue that then be my guest. Otherwise yes Cal mum needs a terrible game from Avon and they need to play extremely well themselves to win. There is always a possibility of an upset so I never said I 'Guarantee victory', but when you look at the match ups you tell me who you would pick to win.

[boobiemiles]

Where do you see the word guaranteed in my post?

Worst case scenario avon plays terrible defense and shoots like 30 percent and they still win by a couple buckets.

An old teacher used to tell us: If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......

[ching01]

haha ok that is actually funny. But either way I don't expect too much of what your next sentence was going to be out of Avon this year. No one really should. So who do you think is going to win then?

[boobiemiles]

I think that Avon will win. I actually think that Avon will run the table in Livingston county with 1 or 2 possible upsets. But I think that it's ridiculous that you would completely rule out Cal-Mum. If Avon plays their worst game ever, Cal-Mum will win. Avon's not that much better than Cal-Mum where you can say something like that.

[ching01]

Avon's not that much better than Cal-Mum where you can say something like that.


Please Avon is much better than Caledonia. They over match them at the guards,the big men, and the bench. And they have all the experience coming back. Caledonia has Wilson, and then a bunch of new kids who might be talented, but do not have much experience especially in a heated game like that.

[PinkPowerRanger101]

Avon's not that much better than Cal-Mum where you can say something like that.


Please Avon is much better than Caledonia. They over match them at the guards,the big men, and the bench. And they have all the experience coming back. Caledonia has Wilson, and then a bunch of new kids who might be talented, but do not have much experience especially in a heated game like that.

no one can promise anyone games...haha i dont think cal-mum will be even close to avon's toughest game, but anything could happen. if there was a spread in high school sports, i think avon would be up about 15, but nothing is garenteed. cal-mum is going to have offensive issues where avon is going to have team work issues. either way avon has about 5 more playmakers waiting on the bench incase someone on the floor slips up. attitude is avon's problem but still i dont see that getting in the way of a win over cal-mum...but like i said anything could happen

[txslnghrns]

both teams are good..but i think that avon will take the win but there has always been competition between the 2 teams. i think that calmum is to into themselves and will get over confident. yes avon is also overconfiedent but not as much...it will be a great game i think

[CMRedRaiders]

I have Cal-Mum winning this one, I think the school will be fired up after the sectional loss to Avon in football and will come out firing on all cylinders

[lcaa5]

i am pretty surprised that cal mum thinks with just one returning started can beat a team that beat them twice during the season that is stronger then the team last year. And another point is that it is in avon. i think avon hs to have the edge.

[Bravesfan08]

i am pretty surprised that cal mum thinks with just one returning started can beat a team that beat them twice during the season that is stronger then the team last year. And another point is that it is in avon. i think avon hs to have the edge.
Just a correction to that post-

Avon and Cal-Mum each play a home game in that series this year because they are in the same division

[lcaa5]

i was just talking about the first game........my mistake not mentioning that.

[ching01]

Ya I agree with lcaa. There is no reason for cal-mum to think they should be fine. ONE returning starter and Avon is better this year. Plus the reason for the close games last year was lauffer and rogers hitting open threes, otherwise both games are about a nine to ten point win. And I mean open threes like at the end of the game Avon just let them stand and shoot which isn't good defense and I don't expect it too happen again.

[boobiemiles]

So the only reason it was close was because Cal-Mum's best players hit open shots?

[ching01]

So the only reason it was close was because Cal-Mum's best players hit open shots?

the reason the final was a three or four point game is because at home avon sat back on d and let rogers and lauffer each shoot just about uncontested shots. Avon had a nine point lead with one minute left that game and almost blew it by playing lazy d at the end. At cal-mum lauffer hit one very tough three in someones face but just like the first game rogers got an open look off of miss communication on d by avon. It was either a nine or ten point game with a minute left in that one too and calmum hit three threes to make it close. I am just saying Avon needs to get better at closing out the end of games when they have nine or ten point leads with a minute to go. They outplayed cmum 31 minutes in that game so they need to finish better.

[sectionVfan2010]

Avon wins...hands down. They have the best guard combo i have ever seen in avon. Banach is quick has great ball skills. Kesel, is the best defender in Livingston County, hands down, and it doesn't hurt him he can score. And Phillips, can play inside and outside, and he is one of the best shooters in the county. POY McBride doesnt hurt the team in being a 4 year starter. Housel all 6'5'' of him will get all the rebounds and will score in bunches. Avons bench wont hurt the either being able to go 8,9,10 deep. I know they fell apart in sectionals last year and everyone will keep bringing that up. But they are back this year and are determined to make up for it.

AVON WINS 64-56

[lcaa5]

i agree except i dont think that game will get into the 60s and 50s. At least cal mum wont get in the 50s. Cal mums only chance at winning that game is if they hold avon to under 50 pts. They wont.........Avon 58 Cal Mum 38

[sectionVfan2010]

The only reason i said Avon wins by so much is i could see it coming down to foul shots, and Avon will build the lead in the last few mins of the game. But i could be way off. Cant wait to see the game tho!

[lcaa5]

Are you a player on avons team or are you a fan/ spectator?

[sectionVfan2010]

Just a fan. Went to Avon and played there 6 years ago. Follow them very close.

[ching01]

Just a fan. Went to Avon and played there 6 years ago. Follow them very close.

Yo haha who are you cuz if you played six years ago i definitely know you..

[lcaa5]

What is up with wilson and fox not playing against wheatland chili? If they arent playing against avon, any sort of hope is lost.

[studlystuderson2]

why didn't they play?

[lcaa5]

at least i thought i didnt see their names in the D and C

[insane irish234]

why didn't they play?



fox still has a cast on his hand and wilson sat out with an ankle injury i believe

[lcaa5]

OK now that I have had the chance to watch both teams played I am going to make official prediction. Avon by 20 plus. They are just too good to handle. Caledonia will have the play the game of their lives just to compete with them. Tonight against York, Banach and Phillips certainly showed that they are the toughest guard duo in the county, maybve section. And it helps they have Kesel on the other wing which is just dirty. Housel this year has proven that he is potentially an all league selection being a tough rebounder and great presence down low and of coarse they have McBride.

Avon is playing lockdown defense and worries about chemistry should be gone. They are playing as a team chearing each other on and are looking absolutely dominant. Also this will be the first home game for them and expect the fans to be rockin. No revenge for the football game caledonia. Avon rolls

[sectionVHYPE]

OK now that I have had the chance to watch both teams played I am going to make official prediction. Avon by 20 plus. They are just too good to handle. Caledonia will have the play the game of their lives just to compete with them. Tonight against York, Banach and Phillips certainly showed that they are the toughest guard duo in the county, maybve section. And it helps they have Kesel on the other wing which is just dirty. Housel this year has proven that he is potentially an all league selection being a tough rebounder and great presence down low and of coarse they have McBride.

Avon is playing lockdown defense and worries about chemistry should be gone. They are playing as a team chearing each other on and are looking absolutely dominant. Also this will be the first home game for them and expect the fans to be rockin. No revenge for the football game caledonia. Avon rolls

we'll see, Avon hasn't proved very well under pressure, need I mention Gananda? haha

[Bravesfan08]

we'll see, Avon hasn't proved very well under pressure, need I mention Gananda? haha
Thats wierd you seem to be forgetting some games just last year, lets see they had....

two 3 point wins against cal-mum
a 3 point win against letchworth
a game winner against york
and oh yeah how about that county championship game against Hornell where they also won on a game winner.

But your totally right....they have never performed under pressure....

That is one of the most retarded statements I have ever read on here

[lcaa5]

Need i mention that they return all 5 starters and have beaten two class BB schools. They lost one freakin game last year and all you guys do is mention that game. You know wat it was last year. If you htink they are going to lose you might has well not be a reporter bc u suck. Keep in mind that ER the year before they won sectionals lost in the semis, did anybody say they couldnt preform under presure. i dont htink so. Right now i think Avon looks better then ER was last year. Drop Gananda. It was last year. If they lose in sectionals this year, then say they arnt good.

[Giles]

Need i mention that they return all 5 starters and have beaten two class BB schools.
We already know this about them and this is why they will undoubtedly win Livingston County. Their ability to beat LCAA teams is not in question, it's their ability to beat teams from other leagues who play a different style.
They lost one freakin game last year and all you guys do is mention that game. You know wat it was last year.
I'm not trying to get you mad... but it's a game that most thought they should have won and they didn't so for people to bring it up is valid.
If you htink they are going to lose you might has well not be a reporter bc u suck.
If I'm reading this right, you're saying that anyone who thinks they will lose is an idiot? ..... This sounds a lot like what people were saying after they beat Hornell in the LCAA championship.
Keep in mind that ER the year before they won sectionals lost in the semis, did anybody say they couldnt preform under presure. i dont htink so.
ER lost to a Campbell team that no one thought they were going to beat. Avon was supposed to beat Gananda.
Right now i think Avon looks better then ER was last year.
Avon probably does look better right now. Last December and January they probably looked better than a lot of teams. But, IMO that's because they're playing LCAA teams and matchup so well with them. I won't get into the ER/Avon argument again... pretty much because ER's sectional patch makes it a moot point. If Avon wins it this year then we'll have a debate.
If they lose in sectionals this year, then say they arnt good.
I'll never say they're not good. Avon is very talented and one of the balanced small school teams I can remember. Last year's Avon team was driven by their guards and their big guys served in supporting roles. Avon has the prototype of a balanced team... Banach is a heady, quick PG; Philips is that shooter on the wing; Kesel is the lockdown defender; McBride is the bruiser who can get the ball deep and score and Housel is that athletic shotblocker who can contribute on both ends. They seem to be good kids as well, respectful, courteous, clean players. A coach's dream.

But none of the concerns and questions that people have about them will be answered until February when they have to go back to RIT and beat a Gananda/ER/Oakfield/Pembroke/Campbell and go to the Big House.

[lcaa5]

Time out. Letchworth beat ER two years ago. Not campbell. Nad yes they are a bunch of good kids that dont say or do anything to deserve any sort of critisism.
Ok i am just talking about the calmum game right now, not sectionals quite yet.
They arre playing great this year. Last year they lost to Gananda. They are past that now, and show should you. If ur reasoning for all your doubt is because of the Gananda game LAST YEAR, you guys are stupid. Last year means crap now. Forget about last year. Its a new season for avon with experienced playres. And yes its true that ER won it last year so maybe i shouldnt compare the tow yet but u do have to admit if u have seen them play, they are playing some good basketball. And this yera i think the GR and livngston county leagues are the best in Section V class CC. LEtchworth, Avon, OA, are the better teams in the section. The only other team that i think can compete with them is maybe bloomfield or Pembroke(inconsistent so far).

[adAms08]

Nad yes they are a bunch of good kids that dont say or do anything to deserve any sort of critisism.

Are they still making rude and threatening crank calls to their opponents?

[lcaa5]

Um im not from avon and dont know any of the players so thats not any of my business. I didnt know about that and if they are that would be really stupid. I base all my opinions on the actions on the court. If they prank calling people i would lose alot of respect for their team. which players wwre making prank calls?

[Braves2410]

Nobody is making any prank calls only to other kids that live in avon haha

[adAms08]

Well, let me preface this by saying that I don't know who these screen names belong to - but last year in a thread about sectionals UNC2059 claimed to be an Avon b-ball player and admitted to calling an opponent and talking crap to them, and Bravesfan08 said that he was a player on the team too and corroborated his story. There was a lot of discussion about this last year on this board in a couple of threads, I believe - plus I heard first hand from 2 teams about it, too. Don't get me wrong, I know Avon's really talented and they have a great shot at winning Sectionals this year, and I don't want to stir up all kinds of drama - I'm just saying that last year, anyway, perhaps they weren't ALL angels - and it's the same team this year, right? ;)

[lcaa5]

Prank calls to other teammates isnt bad, thats just kids having fun


To other teams on the other hand, really really really stupid

[Giles]

Prank calls to other teammates isnt bad, thats just kids having fun


To other teams on the other hand, really really really stupid

They did it to opponents.

[Giles]

Time out. Letchworth beat ER two years ago. Not campbell. Nad yes they are a bunch of good kids that dont say or do anything to deserve any sort of critisism.
Ok i am just talking about the calmum game right now, not sectionals quite yet.
They arre playing great this year. Last year they lost to Gananda. They are past that now, and show should you. If ur reasoning for all your doubt is because of the Gananda game LAST YEAR, you guys are stupid. Last year means crap now. Forget about last year. Its a new season for avon with experienced playres. And yes its true that ER won it last year so maybe i shouldnt compare the tow yet but u do have to admit if u have seen them play, they are playing some good basketball. And this yera i think the GR and livngston county leagues are the best in Section V class CC. LEtchworth, Avon, OA, are the better teams in the section. The only other team that i think can compete with them is maybe bloomfield or Pembroke(inconsistent so far).

We're not stupid for using that game to doubt their potential to win Sectionals because it is why they didn't win Sectionals. It's a new season but because of the way and reasons they lost to Gananda it raises very legitimate concerns about their ability to win Sectionals.

The talk all last December and January was about Wayne County being weak.... and anyone who attended the Section V Class CC between two Wayne County teams knows how that turned out.

[Bravesfan08]

Well, let me preface this by saying that I don't know who these screen names belong to - but last year in a thread about sectionals UNC2059 claimed to be an Avon b-ball player and admitted to calling an opponent and talking crap to them, and Bravesfan08 said that he was a player on the team too and corroborated his story. There was a lot of discussion about this last year on this board in a couple of threads, I believe - plus I heard first hand from 2 teams about it, too. Don't get me wrong, I know Avon's really talented and they have a great shot at winning Sectionals this year, and I don't want to stir up all kinds of drama - I'm just saying that last year, anyway, perhaps they weren't ALL angels - and it's the same team this year, right? ;)
I hate to do this but I feel like I need to set the record straight if I can-

1. Yes I was on the team last year
2. Yes calls were made to members of other teams from avon players (mostly to kids from ER from what I heard)
3. All of the calls were made by returning players this year, most of them being seniors this year (if not all of them). I am 99.9% sure on this one, I know I was a senior and never made a prank call and I don't think any of my classmates did either.
4. I don't know if the ER kids did anything to start this, or if they did anything to get it to continue by upsetting or calling back my teammates.

Listen these guys are all good kids and great basketball players who I would hope would never do this type of thing again. With that being said I do think this situation could have shown these players cockiness (I don't know if thats the right word), I just don't think a humble group of players would think to do that...and I know I never would.

To anyone on the team- Listen, I know you guys are good kids and I am pulling for you this year, but I am not going to defend your stupid mistakes

[lcaa5]

ya and you guys proved us wrong. Believe it or not Avon has changed the way they are playing so far this year. They learned from that loss and are now playing a different style of play. I have seen them play and banach and housle have really stepped up their games this year. They have been great. Phillips is playing really well and kesel has been himself, fantastic. McBride is my only concern. Hes not playing like he did last year. The rest of their players are playing good and they have learned a lot abou their team from that loss. Base things on this years team. They have improved in a big way

[lcaa5]

Which players made these calls. Were they like starters or were they like the bench players

[Bravesfan08]

I wasn't around for those calls to give you an answer on that...but most of them hang out together all the time so I'm guessing most of them were around at some point when a call was made.

[Bravesfan08]

Also I have no idea how many calls were made....it could have been just one or two for all I know.

[boobiemiles]

I think McBride was hurt earlier this year... Right?

So maybe he's still getting back into playing form.

[boobiemiles]

Well, let me preface this by saying that I don't know who these screen names belong to - but last year in a thread about sectionals UNC2059 claimed to be an Avon b-ball player and admitted to calling an opponent and talking crap to them, and Bravesfan08 said that he was a player on the team too and corroborated his story. There was a lot of discussion about this last year on this board in a couple of threads, I believe - plus I heard first hand from 2 teams about it, too. Don't get me wrong, I know Avon's really talented and they have a great shot at winning Sectionals this year, and I don't want to stir up all kinds of drama - I'm just saying that last year, anyway, perhaps they weren't ALL angels - and it's the same team this year, right? ;)
Here's the thread that started it all: Infamous thread #3007 (http://sectionv.talksback.com/showthread.php?t=3007)

[lcaa5]

Ok lets just answer to the original post. Adams, Boobie and Giles, who do u think will win the Avon Cal Mum game tuesday

[Giles]

Ok lets just answer to the original post. Adams, Boobie and Giles, who do u think will win the Avon Cal Mum game tuesday

Neither, because they aren't from Wayne County :eek:

[boobiemiles]

Avon by 18

[lcaa5]

you cant give an opinion on this game Giles, or do u not care.

[Giles]

you cant give an opinion on this game Giles, or do u not care.

I can't give an opinion on the game and I don't care. I don't make predictions on the NBDL, NAIA, or Rookie League baseball either.

[lcaa5]

Ok fine. Who do u think will win the NCAA tourny? you can answer that right? (I think most of us will agree UNC will)

[boobiemiles]

I disagree. Gonzaga or Louisville.

[Giles]

Ok fine. Who do u think will win the NCAA tourny? you can answer that right? (I think most of us will agree UNC will)

Definitely Avon.

[lcaa5]

Oh come on we all know the oklahoma city thunder

[TakeNotes134]

UCONN will

[adAms08]

Definitely Avon.

Hahahahaha

[ching01]

Definitely Avon.

HAHA listen to you

[PinkPowerRanger101]

Definitely Avon.

aw cute joke, i wish i thought of that

[LivingstonCNTYfan]

This game will not be close, I think Avon has just too much talent for CM to compete with. I am looking for the Avon big men to come up big in this game. Overconfidence could be Avon's weakness.

[lcaa5]

That is true. If avon goes into this gaem over confident they could have trouble. But they know its a rivalry game and theyll be ready to play. Cant wait to watch this game. This will be a jammed pack, closely defended game. Should be fun to see what avon's fans will do after the win in football. Many people will be there should lead to a very fun atmosphere. The kids should enjoy it

[sectionVfan2010]

Wish i could be there!! Dont worry will be the first to know how it ends. Go Braves!!

[sectionVfan2010]

Good game Braves. Always nice to beat Cal-Mum!! 58-43. I was close with calling the score. Keep on rolling avon!

[DrewVT6]

Good game Braves. Always nice to beat Cal-Mum!! 58-43. I was close with calling the score. Keep on rolling avon!

I missed the 3rd quarter, did Phillips heat up from outside?


On a side note, Olympic Silver Medal Pole Vaulter Jenn Stuczynski thought this was the biggest game of the night so she stopped in to check it out.

[CMRedRaiders]

On a side note, Olympic Silver Medal Pole Vaulter Jenn Stuczynski thought this was the biggest game of the night so she stopped in to check it out.

That's really cool. Wished I could've been there. Did they announce it over the speakers?

[lcaa5]

Phillips, McBride carried Avon tonight. Phillips played real well in the back court for them and Mcbride finally showeed some dominance with 10 or 11 pts. Great game Avon. They are still looking good

[Giles]

Phillips, McBride carried Avon tonight. Phillips played real well in the back court for them and Mcbride finally showeed some dominance with 10 or 11 pts. Great game Avon. They are still looking good

Of course they do, it's December.

[LivingstonCNTYfan]

It was an ok game. I came away with a few concerns. Avon's fouls shooting(not sure of the stats) but airballs on foul shots? I counted quite a few missed lay-ups or under the basket shots. I also do not like the way the big guys put the ball back on the floor after a rebound, I think this could cause problems with pesky defenders. It is early and I believe they will get better as the season goes on.

[garnet21w]

Who did a lot for Cal-Mum?

[Giles]

Yo they lost ONE game last year. Don't act like Avon just folds under pressure...they had a game where their best defender got injured the night before. Also the team they were playing had a 6'6 kid to trouble the big guys. ONE loss. They have beaten two B schools already. Stop hating on LVC. for real.

I don't hate Avon or LVC, don't put words in my mouth. I was just commenting that last year, Avon was also playing very well in December.

[lcaa5]

By the way lets compare the guard play since apparently cal mum had better gaurds. Phillips, Banach, Kesel=33pts. Nas,Wilson,Voos=9. both Phillips and Kesel had more points them those 3 combined. So you tell me who has better guards

[LivingstonCNTYfan]

Enough with last year, it is what it was. A successful year that came up short. This is a new year and lets see what they can do. Were all the sectional champions last year repeat champions? Are all of last years champions going to repeat this year? I think I can safely say, NO. Every team rebuilds and re-tools for THIS season. Teams and coaches can learn from years past, that is it. Why dwell on last years team?

[section5bball1220]

well said.

[lcaa5]

Enough with last year, it is what it was. A successful year that came up short. This is a new year and lets see what they can do. Were all the sectional champions last year repeat champions? Are all of last years champions going to repeat this year? I think I can safely say, NO. Every team rebuilds and re-tools for THIS season. Teams and coaches can learn from years past, that is it. Why dwell on last years team?

That is what i have been trying to say all along