Who Wins Steuben County??? [Archive]

CAL12

11-23-2008, 08:53 AM

1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. C-G
5. J-T
6. Hammondsport
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Avoca
10. Bradford

Looking at the talent that each team has this is my early prediction. I do believe Arkport could be as high as #1 depending on how they respond in tight games (very talented players). In the past they seem to fold. I also believe Hammondsport will surprise some teams and has the guards to fight for the top 4 spots. J-T is very talented, but rumors have it they are down in numbers this year (6 players could be tough to push yourself in practice without being able to scrimmage eachother). C-S has some very talented players (Sutton and Matula) but after winning for so long, and running into some tough times last year they will have to prove that they are still able to finish games out. C-G could fight for any of the top spots, but have to find some scoring after losing most of their scoring threats last year. Prattsburgh is the favorite, they are deep and have great team chemistry; however, teams no longer have to fear the speed and ability of Fuller! Addison has a very tall line-up. They could cause some troubles if they can develop some of those big guys; but can they handle the press? A-A will be much tougher this year with Rygeil and Cornell playing. They add some legitimate athleticism to the team. Avoca will give some teams problems this year. They are decent at the guard positions and they have worked awfully hard in the offseason. Bradford is similar to Addison because of their size. Can they break out of the slump their district has been in?

bath#1

11-23-2008, 08:55 AM

You really have hport low..i think, but its your opinion i guess

CAL12

11-23-2008, 09:01 AM

You may be right. I did mention that they may fight for the top 4 spots. I think they haven't proven that they are there yet. At the end of last year they were playing very well. I guess we will see. I wish them luck.

CAL12

11-23-2008, 09:02 AM

I also forgot to mention how big of a loss it was to have Bulley leave. That set them back a little.

Lukelakers

11-23-2008, 10:39 AM

I hope the season can at least start before the annual "Hammondsport is going to win sectionals" thread begins....

ref11

11-23-2008, 11:51 AM

Thats a classic one they always have the section v banner made.

Lukelakers

11-23-2008, 11:54 AM

Thats a classic one they always have the section v banner made.

that had to be the best thread of all time, the Hammondsport banner thread haha haha....

DSport

11-23-2008, 03:35 PM

My rankings:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. Hammondsport
5. J-T
6. C-G
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

Lukelakers

11-23-2008, 07:20 PM

My rankings:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. Hammondsport
5. J-T
6. C-G
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

I think that is a pretty fair assessment of what the league could look like at the end of the season. I forgot that Canaseraga is in the Alleghany Co League now. I think 4/5 could be between both H'port and JT. I will never count out a team coached by Tom Price, who I think is one of the top coaches in all of Section Five who gets more out of his kids than what he probably should. Hope its a great year for all teams, coaches and fans....

DSport

11-23-2008, 07:56 PM

My rankings:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. Hammondsport
5. J-T
6. C-G
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Bradford
10. Avoca
I think that any of these teams could end up + or - two spots on this list depending on how they use their skill this year. I could see Avoca at 8 and A-A at 10 or C-G at 4 and Hammondsport at 6. I think this is my general rankings with a plus or minus two margin of error. I'm sure there will be one team that proves me wrong by exceding expectations or by totally tanking but we'll see.

lethal 13lade

11-23-2008, 08:40 PM

I think that any of these teams could end up + or - two spots on this list depending on how they use their skill this year. I could see Avoca at 8 and A-A at 10 or C-G at 4 and Hammondsport at 6. I think this is my general rankings with a plus or minus two margin of error. I'm sure there will be one team that proves me wrong by exceding expectations or by totally tanking but we'll see.

just curious, but what do you see out of jt to rank them at 5th? the only real player i see who is any good is thurber. Sure chris smith is pretty good but everyone knows he is a total headcase. Is there people coming up from the JV's that I seem to be missing?

Lukelakers

11-23-2008, 08:48 PM

just curious, but what do you see out of jt to rank them at 5th? the only real player i see who is any good is thurber. Sure chris smith is pretty good but everyone knows he is a total headcase. Is there people coming up from the JV's that I seem to be missing?

I think you can slide JT anywhere between that 5-7 slot and DSport even said that you can move several of those teams around. I know Thurber has worked with some of the Prattsburgh kids this summer and I am sure he will have a great year. One advantage that I give over the other teams in the middle of the pack, is Tom Price. Again, I think he gets the most out of what talent he is given....

DSport

11-23-2008, 11:26 PM

just curious, but what do you see out of jt to rank them at 5th? the only real player i see who is any good is thurber. Sure chris smith is pretty good but everyone knows he is a total headcase. Is there people coming up from the JV's that I seem to be missing?
I honestly think Thurber will be the best big in the league. A lot of the big guys he was against last year are graduated and most of the ones replacing them don't have the skill or size to handle Thurber. J-T needs to focus on getting him the ball and if they develop an outside shot from someone that moved up from JV look out. And as Luke said, Price will get the most out of them. C-G lost quite a bit of talent from last year. They still have some skill coming back but the main reason I have J-T so high is Thurber. We'll see how it all plays out.

Lukelakers

11-23-2008, 11:43 PM

Hammondsport will be an interesting team to watch this season and will have an early season test Friday night against defending Class C champion Dundee. Wish I could be in two places at once on Friday!

TalkinBoutPractice

11-24-2008, 09:18 AM

Hammondsport vs Dundee friday night
I cannot wait its gonnna bee a fun game
Good luck

BBallBaller1492

11-24-2008, 09:30 AM

Lukelakers

11-24-2008, 10:02 AM

Now, if Hammondsport wins the Dundee tournament, will they get to put up a new banner in their gym? :p

DSport

11-24-2008, 12:31 PM

Now, if Hammondsport wins the Dundee tournament, will they get to put up a new banner in their gym? :p

We got one this year for volleyball. That should hold us over for another 20 years.

Lukelakers

11-24-2008, 12:41 PM

We got one this year for volleyball. That should hold us over for another 20 years.

and well deserved by the way, enjoy it!!!

Lukelakers

11-24-2008, 07:24 PM

Be interesting to see how the Hammondsport team will handle the usually press that Dundee applies. We should find out soon with some good games early Hammondsport has

Dundee,Marcus Whitman/Romulus,Naples,Prattsburgh

If this team is a contender or a pretender

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Dundee and Prattsburgh will be tuogh early season opponents, but Whitman won one game last year and Naples 5.

cornellalum

11-25-2008, 12:16 AM

marcus whitman won one game last year wow.

JTWildcats11

11-26-2008, 03:58 PM

JT this year has 8 players after losing quite a few from last year. Coming out of scrimages, they're looking pretty good.

cornellalum

12-04-2008, 10:24 PM

Alfred almond is off to a better start than last year 4-0 although they have no quality wins unless you count Belfast.

DSport

12-05-2008, 02:00 AM

Alfred almond is off to a better start than last year 4-0 although they have no quality wins unless you count Belfast.
For an A-A team that struggled a little last year any win is a quality win.

uptheline

12-05-2008, 09:35 PM

The A-A coach Brad Hoyt is a good coach. He coached J-T Boys JV for a while and I think he could be a good varsity coach (not saying he is bad now, but with more experience comes more winning plays)

Also JT defeated Canaseraga 36-32 @ Canaseraga/

five one

12-05-2008, 10:17 PM

Was a three point game at the half (30-27 Wellsville lead) but Canisteo got outscored 31-8 in the third quarter and Wellsvile ended up winning by like 26..

CAL12

12-05-2008, 11:03 PM

I have never seen anything like it. Wellsville came out and made 12 three pointers in the second half (12 of about 16 before the subs came in). They were not missing! It was incredible

GoCuse20

12-06-2008, 10:29 AM

Wellsville is very good they have a lot of weapons from three and are extremely athletic and Jim Insley there coach is probaly top five in Section V

DSport

12-18-2008, 01:31 PM

My rankings:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. Hammondsport
5. J-T
6. C-G
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

Time to update the rankings a little bit:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. A-A
4. J-T
5. Arkport
6. C-G
7. Hammondsport
8. Addison
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

UNCTarheels

12-18-2008, 01:37 PM

Time to update the rankings a little bit:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. A-A
4. J-T
5. Arkport
6. C-G
7. Hammondsport
8. Addison
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

I'm not trying to take anything away from what Alfred-Almond has done, going 7-0 to start the season and being ranked #6 in all of the New York State class D after going winless last season is impressive very impressive but I'm not sold on them just yet, yes they beat Arkport but I still want to see how they do agains the "Power" teams of the league; C-S, C-G, J-T, Hammondsport & Prattsburgh Also they haven't played Bradford yet either, and Bradford's not that bad I saw them play Tuesday night and they're not that bad. Either way I wouldn't really rank A-A that high until they've played a few more games and see how they do against the upper level teams, I also wouldn't have Addison ranked ahead of Bradford & Avoca when Addison is Winless and both Avoca & Bradford have won 3 games already, I'm not convinced that Addison will beat those two schools if they do Lee Bowers might go for 40+, which hasn't happened in the League in a long time.

DSport

12-18-2008, 01:49 PM

I'm not trying to take anything away from what Alfred-Almond has done, going 7-0 to start the season and being ranked #6 in all of the New York State class D after going winless last season is impressive very impressive but I'm not sold on them just yet, yes they beat Arkport but I still want to see how they do agains the "Power" teams of the league; C-S, C-G, J-T, Hammondsport & Prattsburgh Also they haven't played Bradford yet either, and Bradford's not that bad I saw them play Tuesday night and they're not that bad. Either way I wouldn't really rank A-A that high until they've played a few more games and see how they do against the upper level teams, I also wouldn't have Addison ranked ahead of Bradford & Avoca when Addison is Winless and both Avoca & Bradford have won 3 games already, I'm not convinced that Addison will beat those two schools if they do Lee Bowers might go for 40+, which hasn't happened in the League in a long time.

Good points.
I put A-A up there because so far they deserve it. That is subject to change and I'm sure it will. I certainly don't expect them to finish the season at #6 in the state.
I put Addison above Avoca and Bradford because they have lost to C-S twice and even in those losses I was impressed with Bowers and Brewster. At the same time, Bradford beat Avoca but I'm not ready to put them ahead of Addison until they beat Addison. They are definately on the rise but until they beat an Arkport like A-A did, they remain lower in the rankings. I dropped Hammondsport because they have been much less than impressive so far and I'm hoping they can turn it around and move back up the rankings. Also, Prattsburgh and C-S could easily switch depending on who wins when they end up playing each other. I wasn't impressed with Prattsburgh after the rough start but it seems that they have pulled it together. I guess good coaching will do that to teams. The goal is always to get better as the season progresses.

UNCTarheels

12-18-2008, 01:58 PM

Yeah but Avoca Beat Bradford by 9 in the 1st round of Bradford's tip-off tournament and Bradford only beat Avoca by 5 in OT last week in Avoca and they may meet for a 3rd time next week in the Prattsburgh Christmas Tournament.

After a slow Start Prattsburgh's playing very well right now, playing Notre-Dame Saturday will help them gauge where they are before the Christmas break.

hoopsfan35

12-18-2008, 04:06 PM

Anyone know who besides Alfred-Almond and Portville is in the Portville tournament? They play tonight and Saturday

sectvbball44

12-18-2008, 04:16 PM

Anyone know who besides Alfred-Almond and Portville is in the Portville tournament? They play tonight and Saturday

I know Portville plays Scio in the first round. AA plays Bishop Walsh.

mullkj15

12-18-2008, 06:51 PM

A-A is 7-0 and seems to me they have fallen under the radar behind Prattsburgh and J-T. Does anybody see a potential county title coming their way or perhaps a sectional run?

OhioStateBuck

12-18-2008, 07:13 PM

I don't think a county title will happen this year with CS and Prattsburgh in the league, but we'll have to wait and see until AA plays one of those schools.

sectvbball44

12-18-2008, 09:35 PM

walsh over AA by 11!

Crackerman55

12-19-2008, 09:34 AM

did walsh beat them by 11 or is that just an estimate?

UNCTarheels

12-19-2008, 10:14 AM

did walsh beat them by 11 or is that just an estimate?

they played last night and Walsh won by 11

Archbishop Walsh-6 56
Alfred-Almond 45
ABW - Kevin O'Laughlin 23; Ryan Whelpley 18; AAL - Aaron Rygiel 19;

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 10:49 AM

how good is archbishop walsh and what classification are they

UNCTarheels

12-19-2008, 10:51 AM

how good is archbishop walsh and what classification are they

they're class D and usually not very good, at least they haven't been in past years, they often play Section V schools, normally Allegany County schools and they normally lose to them.

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 10:55 AM

maybe this is a wake up call to A-A

Lukelakers

12-19-2008, 10:58 AM

maybe this is a wake up call to A-A

a wake up call? My gosh, they didn't win one game last year. Started this year by winning their first 7 games and lost their first game by 11 points last night and you think it should be a "wake up call" for them. Seriously, some of you guys just through out sports cliches for the sake of throwing them out there.

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 11:00 AM

did you not just see how UNC just said how Walsh is usually not a good team

Lukelakers

12-19-2008, 11:02 AM

who cares if they are a good team or not? The point is AA is off to a fantastic start after the worst year a basketball team can have. I don't think anyone thought they were going undefeated, so I don't think losing last night will be a "wake up call" to them. You should worry about your own team

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 11:04 AM

my own team noticed how i dont preach how good my own team is

Lukelakers

12-19-2008, 11:05 AM

because u speak the truth

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 11:05 AM

and you do too?

sectvbball44

12-19-2008, 12:24 PM

walsh has not been that great as of late but they appear to be a bit better this year. they beat salamanca and lost to gowanda by one who seems to be decent. both are bigger schools than walsh. i dont think its a loss for AA to be ashamed of but it does put things in perspective. JT prattsburgh CS and probably even CG will give them all they can handle.

Crackerman55

12-19-2008, 12:24 PM

lol i didn't see the game but i've seen walsh play this year and they have a couple decent players i'm not really suprised A-A lost but i'm sure they could've won too well anyways i think everyone agrees they are off to a good start (7-1)

dave

12-19-2008, 12:46 PM

UNCTarheels

12-19-2008, 01:06 PM

I watched the A-A game and here is what I saw.

A-A got out to a nice lead in the beginning, then some of their key players got into foul trouble and were forced to go into a zone which is when Walsh just beat them inside. Walsh is a pretty good team, they have this Freshman who is possibly there best player. It was a game that A-A could have won but it just seemed like Walsh dictated the pace all night.

As a former Basketball coach, I like to think I know something about Basketball and I can tell you that you play Zone to shut down the inside play and force teams to shoot from the outside, it's not very often that you'd switch to a zone and then somebody would hurt you inside the paint, did you have a typo? or is this what really happened?

dave

12-19-2008, 05:07 PM

As a former Basketball coach, I like to think I know something about Basketball and I can tell you that you play Zone to shut down the inside play and force teams to shoot from the outside, it's not very often that you'd switch to a zone and then somebody would hurt you inside the paint, did you have a typo? or is this what really happened?

No there was not a typo. I know that usually a zone (2-3) is designed to make the other team shoot outside but they went into a 3-2 and Walsh just got a bunch of offensive rebounds and were a bit taller than A-A. Almond had a big kid that didn't play much, someone said they thought he had been sick so maybe that was why. But Alfred Almond just did not do a very good job of boxing out which allowed Walsh quite a few second chance.

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 08:25 PM

was the big kid for Alfred Brian Fugate?

dave

12-19-2008, 08:35 PM

was the big kid for Alfred Brian Fugate?

His last name was Fugate but I don't think his name was Brian.

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 09:39 PM

your right its Dan Fugate

dave

12-19-2008, 10:27 PM

Anyone know where i can find where teams rank in the state.

cornellalum

12-19-2008, 10:29 PM

theres a thread on it

Crackerman55

12-20-2008, 10:38 AM

ok well what are the league records as of right now?

i'm pretty sure c-s and pburgh are 2-0 in league play but what about everyone else?

cornellalum

12-20-2008, 05:31 PM

A-A is 2-0 or 3-0

uptheline

12-20-2008, 09:12 PM

JT is 3-0..

Tonight the Wildcats had a disappointing loss on their heads. From what I could see they were up at half by 19 over Genesse Valley then just threw the ball away the whole entire second half. As JT did not play well at all the second half, Genesse Valley gave the Wildcats a wave as they went on their way to a win. The officiating was good tonight, which was better than I have been seeing.

G-V: 58
JT: 57

UNCTarheels

12-23-2008, 10:31 AM

ok well what are the league records as of right now?

i'm pretty sure c-s and pburgh are 2-0 in league play but what about everyone else?

Prattsburgh is 3-0 in the league defeating Hammondsport, C-G & Bradford

lifeissports

12-26-2008, 06:30 PM

Well again I haven't seen only a few teams play so far P-BURGH C-G ,ARKPORT and J-T but from what I have seen coach Burke and his squad should win it just on coaching alone. Coach Price has done a great job with what he has to work with. Arkport has tons of talent but cannot work as a team with tons of subs going in and out,C-G from what I have seen has to many egos and no team chemistry at all with lots of talent.I happen to over hear Coach Burke talking after his game with c-g and heard him tell the guy exactly what I just wrote and coming from him I would dare to believe it.I will not quote any more of what he said but if c-gs coach can get that figured out they could give some probs in counties.I do not know anything about A-A but I see Coach Hoyt has done wonders there also, whats with the big turn around.

redskinsrock32

01-04-2009, 08:44 AM

Last night C-G lost to B-R by 4 McKibben had 15 points and 20 boards in the 2nd half but didnt touch the ball in the first half at all and Dineen had a good game also when being fed down low again all in the 2nd half they need to stay with whats working

CAL12

01-04-2009, 10:12 AM

I was as the C-G game last night and felt that C-G's problems were their defense. When a team scores 52 points, they should have a real good chance of winning. To give up 25 pts in the 4th is unexceptable. The players need to step up and take some pride in that aspect of the game as well. McKibben did play well in the second half, but didn't seem to present himself in the post as much in the first half. He was also in foul trouble so that limited his time. C-G needs a win badly

lifeissports

01-04-2009, 12:31 PM

I didnt see the game,but have heard from others about the shooting coming from c-g, and how poor its been. ive seen a few game to where its like that and they just stick to it figuring they will shoot out of it and it doesnt happen. when the ball is pounded inside dineen and mckibben work well and put up a lot of offense for them. and once tht happens it opens up for the shooters. i think button sees this but the players themselves have to realize this as well. I do agree they really need a win by looking at they're record and knowing alot of the players they have,coach Button needs to change something in a hurry.

gitrdone14809

01-05-2009, 11:50 AM

My rankings:
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. Arkport
4. Hammondsport
5. J-T
6. C-G
7. Addison
8. A-A
9. Bradford
10. Avoca

why did you put avoca in 10

Lukelakers

01-05-2009, 11:54 AM

why did you put avoca in 10

Give him a chance to update them. I think they are approximately 3 weeks old.

CAL12

01-05-2009, 12:07 PM

I do think the shooting woes at C-G have been part of their problem, but they shot 7-14 from three the other night and still didn't win. I still think defense is their issue.

lifeissports

01-05-2009, 11:43 PM

yes I agree that the defense needs to be changed by looking back at the scores it looks like they give up a huge quarter somewhere.Do you know what they are playing on defense whether it be zone, man or what? but I do also understand that the offense has sputtered also so basically you are saying they need a gut check and play as a team and grind out a win asap.

DSport

01-06-2009, 12:28 AM

why did you put avoca in 10

The post that you copied wasn't my mosdt updated rankings. I will put up new rankings when I get a chance. I had Avoca at 10 because at the time the bottom three in my mind were A-A, Avoca, and Bradford. A-A is beating a lot of teams, nobody great but they did beat some SCL teams. That left it as a toss up between Bradford and Avoca for last. They had split at that point and I felt Bradford was the better teams. Now after the Prattsburgh Christmas tourney Bradford leads the series 2-1 after a 55-28 victory according to the section V site. (I wasn't able to make it). I have to admit that although Avoca has some wins, I'm not all too impressed with wins over Friendship and Canaserega. It's all just my opinion. I have nothing against Avoca.

redskinsrock32

01-06-2009, 01:13 AM

Cal12 I strongly agree they need to change up something on defense I dont know if they are in zone to protect they're big men but teams are chewing them up on the perimeter and on the drives to the basket. I have noticed many times they are flat footed on both ends.I think they need to all get on the same page or it will be a short haul in counties and sectionals, with all the talent there.

lifeissports

01-06-2009, 08:53 PM

I went to the Addison-C-G game tonight and saw C-G win 61 to 47,I was very impressed with what I saw and heard from some of the Canisteo fans.I was told that this was the first game that they played as a team all year and the score showed,if they play like this they could give some fits in counties according to coach Hoyt from A-A as he was there scouting. they played great,and good luck to A-A tomorrow night against J-T any predictions

Crackerman55

01-07-2009, 07:42 AM

i'm going with jt by 5 thurber is just too big for anyone on AA to handle

Crackerman55

01-08-2009, 09:52 AM

Ok i've watched a bunch of stueben county games and i think the league title is going to come down to pburgh and CS. Both teams are undefeated in league play and i'm pretty sure both teams have only three losses. But i'm going to have to go with CS bc of the amazing defense i have seen them play.

UNCTarheels

01-08-2009, 10:02 AM

Amazing Defense? They gave up 68 points in their loss to Dansville & 56 in their loss to Corning East, I wouldn't call that amazing defense. To their credit Dansville is a B school & East is an A school, the only thing is both of those games were in Campbell.

CAL12

01-08-2009, 12:58 PM

Unfortunately for all of the teams in Steuben (besides C-S) the county tournament is in Campbell!

Lukelakers

01-08-2009, 01:15 PM

Unfortunately for all of the teams in Steuben (besides C-S) the county tournament is in Campbell!

Yep, I was disappointed in hearing that news too. Too bad Bath wouldn't host it again this year. It was ideal for everyone, players, coaches and fans.

UNCTarheels

01-08-2009, 01:17 PM

Unfortunately for all of the teams in Steuben (besides C-S) the county tournament is in Campbell!

I cut my previous post off too soon i meant to add that both of those games were in Campbell and they lost them both on their home floor which tells me that they're no longer unbeatable at home like in previous years and in the Dansville game, The Stangs closed the game on like a 12-or-13 point run and this past Saturday Odessa-Montour was very close to beating them, not saying it'll be easy but they're beatable at home and Prattsburgh will get a shot at them in Campbell this year, should be another classic

cornellalum

01-08-2009, 01:27 PM

wow the county tournaments in c-s again why not way co

Lukelakers

01-08-2009, 01:30 PM

Why would they play the Steuben County tournament in Livingston County?

cornellalum

01-08-2009, 01:30 PM

umm they have before

UNCTarheels

01-08-2009, 01:33 PM

wow the county tournaments in c-s again why not way co

Thats the week everybody's on vacation and neither Bath or Way-Co wanted to host it, the other options were Corning West but they wanted $2,000 and CCC but nobody wanted to climb that hill in the middle of winter and they'd lost money because of the lack of spectators, none of the other County school gyms are big enough to hold the fans, I would have liked to have seen it in Avoca's new gym but it will only hold about 900 and they want a gym that can hold between 1,200-1,500, so Campbell get it again

cornellalum

01-08-2009, 01:34 PM

o thanks for clearing that up

Lukelakers

01-08-2009, 01:35 PM

umm they have before

please tell me what year they played the county tournament at wayland cohocton.

UNCTarheels

01-08-2009, 01:36 PM

please tell me what year they played the county tournament at wayland cohocton.

I believe it was 04-or-05 but he's right it was in Way-Co for one year before moving to Bath the last couple of years, I'm 99% sure of it

cornellalum

01-08-2009, 01:37 PM

back when my brother played in 2004 i think

btwine2001

01-08-2009, 04:03 PM

I personally think it's a crock that any Steuben County team gets home court advantage throughout the tourny. Bath was as neutral as it gets, and I think someone should kiss a little butt and get it changed. Campell/Savona already has an advantage over most of the teams anyway because of their size. I'm pissed about this, but I guess what's done is done.

love the game

01-09-2009, 07:29 AM

five one

01-09-2009, 09:25 AM

CS is beatable at home anyway.

I'm pretty sure Bath couldn't host because of Wrestling...I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that was the reason.

Lukelakers

01-09-2009, 12:28 PM

I believe it was 04-or-05 but he's right it was in Way-Co for one year before moving to Bath the last couple of years, I'm 99% sure of it

I stand, or in this case, sit corrected. I emailed two different people yesterday regarding it and both confirmed in 2004 the county tournament was held in Way-Co. I honestly don't recall it, but those two individuals, coupled with UNC, would certainly know. It's amazing how the games and years just run together now, a sign of getting old. I apologize.......

cornellalum

01-09-2009, 12:30 PM

we all make mistakes

Lukelakers

01-09-2009, 12:42 PM

I just can't believe I don't remember that. I guess I have it confused with the sectional games that I have done over to Way-Co so that county tourney doesn't stand out.

Lukelakers

01-09-2009, 01:05 PM

One of my "fans" emailed me and reminded me of the outstanding game Kyle Gifford had that night from beyond the 3 point arc. So good in fact, it got him on ESPN the next day. Thanks "TH"

five one

01-09-2009, 01:42 PM

I don't remember Gifford's outstanding performance in Way-Co. But I do remember when the County Tournament was in CS and and Prattsburgh played Arkport. Adam Hines (sp?) got hurt in warm-ups, many people believed that Arkport would handle the Vikings easily. But instead Gifford had an excellent night from beyond the arc going. I'm pretty sure Prattsburgh won that game. The play in that game that sticks in my memory was when Kyle hit a three and got fouled and just looked at the Prattsburgh bench and smiled, then walked to the line to complete the four-point play. It was awesome.

Lukelakers

01-09-2009, 01:57 PM

The1andONLY51

01-10-2009, 12:38 AM

The tourny was in Way co in for the 2004-2005 season, my brothers senior year. The 2003-2004 tourny was in campbell. Campbell beat prattsburgh 73-37 after Hiens got hurt in the semi's.

five one

01-10-2009, 09:28 AM

Ok, here's the deal on why the County Tournament is being played in Campbell:

Bath couldn't host because they are hosting Wrestling Sectionals that Saturday and have a home basketball game that Tuesday.

Way-Co wouldn't host because that's the week of their February break.

And the AD's opted not to have it at CCC, but rather in Campbell because they did not want to travel the distance to the college.

DSport

01-10-2009, 09:54 AM

Here are my updated SCL rankings:
1. Prattsburgh- Caron and Parker have had some blowouts over SCL opponents.
2. C-S- Mattula and company have also had some blowouts and are deffinately top 2 right now, maybe #1.
3. J-T- Thurber and Smith have been playing well. They had some close wins over Arkport and C-G but they won and that's why they're # 3.
4. A-A- Rygiel has this team turned around. Are they for real? Well, an impressive win over Arkport has them at least some-what for real.
5. Arkport- They had a semi-close game against Prattsburgh so they can't be taken lightly but they have underachieved at this point with losses to A-A and J-T twice.
6. C-G - They lost a close one to J-T so they can compete. They got beat by 30 against Prattsburgh so they also need some work.
7. Hammondsport- At the beginning of the year we were thinking they would have important games against J-T and Arkport. Now it looks like their important games will be against Bradford, Avoca, and Addison to see who will be bottom dweller.
8. Bradford- Leading Avoca in the series to this point.
9. Avoca- Can't keep games close against quality opponents but have a few wins over weak opponents.
10. Addison- Wow, are they that bad? Bowers looks good and the Brewster kid has potential.

uptheline

01-10-2009, 11:52 AM

JT beat Arkport last night 67-55 with Chris Smith having 34 points and Brennan Thurber having 10 points.

Crackerman55

01-10-2009, 03:14 PM

yes CS gave up 67 and 56 to a B school and an A school but besides those two little blemishes i don't see anything that changes my mind about them playing very very good defense..... and the dannsville game was the first game of the season and CS has only lost two games at home this year which is only one more than the year they won states.....besides the year they went undefeated and the year they only lost one game to elmira southside they have always at least lost once at home....and they lost more games at home last year than this year so its an improvement i'm a firm believer that defense wins championships and that it won't change this year either

The1andONLY51

01-12-2009, 08:18 PM

I just heard that JT beat Prattsburgh...any truth?

Lukelakers

01-12-2009, 08:34 PM

I think the Prattsburgh-JT girls played tonight.........

I know the boys did not

The1andONLY51

01-12-2009, 09:02 PM

Thats what I thought. Thanks.

dave

01-12-2009, 09:45 PM

Hammondsports record is 3-7? Have they been playing good teams or are they just not that good?

OhioStateBuck

01-12-2009, 10:18 PM

Hammondsports record is 3-7? Have they been playing good teams or are they just not that good?

I'm pretty sure they have played both Campbell Savona and Prattsburgh and have lost both of those games. They're probably in the lower half of the teams in the scl, I would put them behind Prattsburgh, Campbell, JT, Arkport, and probably Alfred-Almond and Canisteo-Greenwood.

uptheline

01-12-2009, 10:33 PM

Also I do believe OhioStateBuck is right. They're in the lower half teams in the SCL.

-Side note-
Yes JT Girls Varsity did defeat Prattsburgh tonight. Boys don't play Prattsburgh until Jan 20th at Prattsburgh 7:15pm.

Crackerman55

01-16-2009, 07:46 AM

I wouldn't put hport behind AA considering they beat AA

DSport

01-16-2009, 08:26 AM

I wouldn't put hport behind AA considering they beat AA

That was before the win. And you can make the case to put them there because they lost to Arkport and Arkport lost to A-A so the three teams are close in my opinion. We'll have to see how the season plays out.

BBallBaller1492

01-16-2009, 09:25 AM

Hammondsports record is 3-7? Have they been playing good teams or are they just not that good?

You could say they played some upper class teams they could/should of beat that they let slip away. They played at the Red Jacket x-mas tourny and were up like 9 with 4 mins and change left in the game. Then the lights went out and they just didn't look the same and let one slip away from Clyde. They for some reason also don't start off like their talent they have is capable of. They could of won games like Arkport and J-T.

Giles

01-16-2009, 11:01 AM

You could say they played some upper class teams they could/should of beat that they let slip away. They played at the Red Jacket x-mas tourny and were up like 9 with 4 mins and change left in the game. Then the lights went out and they just didn't look the same and let one slip away from Clyde. They for some reason also don't start off like their talent they have is capable of. They could of won games like Arkport and J-T.

So is their record really supposed to be 3 wins 3 losses and 4 should'ves.

To quote Bill Parcells "you are what you are"

Lukelakers

01-16-2009, 11:11 AM

Then the lights went out and they just didn't look the same and let one slip away from Clyde.

the lights went out? Did they play that game at Bath!!!?!?!?!?!?!?! ha ha

Lukelakers

01-16-2009, 11:17 AM

some of the Hammondsport posters are the same with the "could have and should have." They should have beat so and so, but lost by 30. They could have beat this team by 12, but the temperature outside interfered with the boiler running heat through the school, so that only effected the Hammondsport players and they ended up losing by 16. As someone posted earlier, Hammondsport is the best "online" team in Section Five. I am sure they still are the best party school in the county.....

The1andONLY51

01-16-2009, 08:02 PM

CS over JT 55-35. Overhiser and Smalt both with double doubles. 13 and 10 points respectively.

uptheline

01-16-2009, 09:23 PM

JT wasn't on top of their game tonight. It would've been a good game

Crackerman55

01-17-2009, 09:35 AM

JT wasn't on top of their game tonight. It would've been a good game

from what i've seen in the passed JT plays there best at home.....I was at this one bc i love the JT environment with the pep band pretty much there whole town being there but really i don't think JT's problem was that they weren't on their game i think CS took them out of their game....thurber only had 8 points and smith only had 11.......and then about third quarter those two were so worn out they could barely do anything......and who is nate smalt ive never really heard about him bfore last nights game but i was really impressed with the way he shut down thurber and recorded a double double

DSport

01-21-2009, 08:11 AM

Updated rankings
1. Prattsburgh
2. C-S
3. J-T
4. Arkport
5. Hammondsport
6. A-A
7. C-G
8. Bradford
9. Avoca
10. Addison
1-2 are pretty much tied until they play each other. 4, 5, and 6 are all pretty much tied too.

DaddyBear

01-21-2009, 01:15 PM

Prattsburgh looks good. I like their chances to win their league.

What's up with Avoca? They scored 19 & 27 points in each of the last 2 games. Is it just a lack of talent, injuries, a young team?

UNCTarheels

01-21-2009, 01:39 PM

Prattsburgh looks good. I like their chances to win their league.

What's up with Avoca? They scored 19 & 27 points in each of the last 2 games. Is it just a lack of talent, injuries, a young team?

There's not a lot of "Basketball Players" on the team, it's not a lack of effort as the players and coaches are putting a lot of time in and working hard to salvage the season. Last week they were snake bitten, with two games coming down to the foul line in the final seconds and they couldn't get a foul shot to drop.

Overall Avoca's a Baseball town and it's been that way the last 10-15 years. Most of the players put all of their time in the off season to playing Baseball and it shows by winning a state title in 2006. Only a handful of kids put time into playing Basketball and attending camps etc. Most of them play Baseball so that has really hurt the Basketball program over the years, trust me many people have tried (Myself included) to bring back the Basketball program and build something up, I helped start the 5th & 6th grade team a few years ago, I run a 3-on-3 tournament every summer and I offer to pay for camps if a kid wants to go and can't afford it, the Interest just isn't there. It just hasn't worked yet. I'll give this current group of kids credit though they go out there and play hard every night and give a lot of effort and also they're well disciplined kids. As a coach there for 5 years it was a little upsetting to hear the kids talk about Baseball and hearing "I can't wait till baseball season" stuff like that is a little discouraging

The1andONLY51

01-21-2009, 03:29 PM

In the 70's and 80's Avoca basketball was great. Its a shame baseball has taken over. Too bad Mr. Skillman isn't still around.

DaddyBear

01-21-2009, 06:30 PM

lethal 13lade

01-21-2009, 08:50 PM

I remember Avoca basketball as having pretty fair teams. In order to keep it going, it all starts at the 5/6 & 7/8 level. It's tough for coaches to make something out of nothing. It does happen every once in awhile, but not too often. So get those younger ones playing.

thats exactly Avoca's problem, not much opportunities for the younger youth to play in organized basketball. baseball seems to be Avoca's main focus the past couple of years

cornellalum

01-21-2009, 08:53 PM

what do the younger youth have for baseball little league?

lethal 13lade

01-21-2009, 10:05 PM

what do the younger youth have for baseball little league?

ya, grasshoppers and little league.

cornellalum

01-22-2009, 11:20 AM

whats grasshoppers?

DaddyBear

01-22-2009, 11:38 AM

You really improve by having youth baseball and or in basketball tournaments. Don D'Amico runs some of the best tournaments around. He has done this for like 25 years that I know of. Start with 4 or 5 teams round robin and seperate with age brackets.

UNCTarheels

01-22-2009, 12:32 PM

whats grasshoppers?

Between Tee-Ball & Little League they use a soft cushioned Baseball the coach pitches to the players usually under hand style, it's very popular in Avoca.

DSport

01-31-2009, 08:56 AM

Here is where I rank everyone right now.
1. C-S
2. Prattsburgh
3. A-A
4. Arkport
5. Hammondsport
6. C-G
7. Bradford
8. Addison
9. Avoca
10. J-T

Crackerman55

01-31-2009, 10:14 AM

Here is where I rank everyone right now.
1. C-S
2. Prattsburgh
3. A-A
4. Arkport
5. Hammondsport
6. C-G
7. Bradford
8. Addison
9. Avoca
10. J-T

dang thre 3,4, and 5 teams could all be interchangable

love the game

01-31-2009, 08:02 PM

Unfortunately for all of the teams in Steuben (besides C-S) the county tournament is in Campbell!

I'd like to go back to this subject! After hearing Coach Button last night on the news I can understand why he's laughing! He said "We have one more league game and we get that done and we can get back the League Championship that we lost last year" Wonder why he thinks they have it in the bag already! Duh, they have home court advantage!

Well I'm sure Coach Button and his team will be indebted to the people that decided to give them home court advantage for the County Tournament. The committee that decided the county tournament should be played at CS should be ashamed and they have done a great disservice to the all other Steuben County Teams!

I'm sure if they looked hard enough they could've found a neutral gym to hold it in!

Lukelakers

01-31-2009, 08:06 PM

love the game

01-31-2009, 09:56 PM

It is too bad they couldn't play the semi-final games in Campbell and then go back to Bath for the championship game. But I know there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we are not aware of and the teams will just have to make due.

Easy for you to say but you have nothing at all at stake! I stand behind my opinion and I'm sure a lot of other people do also! You can't honestly tell me they couldn't have found a neutral court if they WANTED TO!

OhioStateBuck

01-31-2009, 10:28 PM

love the game

01-31-2009, 10:34 PM

If you've read the earlier posts in this thread, it's pretty obvious that other gyms were unavailable or inconvienient. Home court isn't that big of a deal at CS, its a nice gym, and there were about as many Prattsburgh fans as CS fans yesterday. The court wasn't a factor yesterday, and it won't be one if the two teams meet up again in counties.

I have read all the previous posts and I still don't believe that CS should have home court advantage. The only gyms I heard mentioned were Way/Co, Bath, and CCC. You mean to tell me there isn't any other gyms big enough in all of Steuben! If you really think it's not a big deal to have home court then try playing on an SCL team that doesn't get the advantage.

OhioStateBuck

01-31-2009, 10:42 PM

I know every player on the Prattsburgh team. They don't seem to mind. If you play better, you win. What other gyms would you suggest?

cornellalum

01-31-2009, 10:44 PM

Hammondsport :d

love the game

01-31-2009, 10:51 PM

I know every player on the Prattsburgh team. They don't seem to mind. If you play better, you win. What other gyms would you suggest?

I'm not just talking about Prattsburgh but every team in the SCL who is not getting the advantage CS is! You are only fooling yourself if you think they don't mind. I'm not suggesting any gym in particular just that it should have been researched more and a much better decision made!

OhioStateBuck

01-31-2009, 11:05 PM

I'm not just talking about Prattsburgh but every team in the SCL who is not getting the advantage CS is! You are only fooling yourself if you think they don't mind. I'm not suggesting any gym in particular just that it should have been researched more and a much better decision made!

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but..
The point I'm making is that I can't think of another viable option in Steuben. Do you have any information that suggests that it wasn't researched well? If you can't come up with a better decision then how do you know there was one?

love the game

01-31-2009, 11:26 PM

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but..
The point I'm making is that I can't think of another viable option in Steuben. Do you have any information that suggests that it wasn't researched well? If you can't come up with a better decision then how do you know there was one?

I'm not trying to argue either, just trying to make a point! No, I can't say I know for sure how much research went into it but obvisouly not much if they are giving 1 SCL team the advantage!

five one

01-31-2009, 11:56 PM

I'd like to go back to this subject! After hearing Coach Button last night on the news I can understand why he's laughing! He said "We have one more league game and we get that done and we can get back the League Championship that we lost last year" Wonder why he thinks they have it in the bag already! Duh, they have home court advantage!

Well I'm sure Coach Button and his team will be indebted to the people that decided to give them home court advantage for the County Tournament. The committee that decided the county tournament should be played at CS should be ashamed and they have done a great disservice to the all other Steuben County Teams!

I'm sure if they looked hard enough they could've found a neutral gym to hold it in!

That "committee" that you're referring to would be the AD's...due to the fact that Bath nor Way-Co were available, and the trip "up the hill to the college was inconvenient."

btwine2001

02-01-2009, 06:03 AM

Anyone check Corning east or Corning West, doubt it?????

love the game

02-01-2009, 09:36 AM

That "committee" that you're referring to would be the AD's...due to the fact that Bath nor Way-Co were available, and the trip "up the hill to the college was inconvenient."

I assumed it was the AD's but I also know that Bath, Way/Co and CCC are not the only 3 gyms in all of Steuben!

five one

02-01-2009, 12:11 PM

Anyone check Corning east or Corning West, doubt it?????

I know they checked West. It was either too small or too expensive.

steubenfan

02-01-2009, 02:10 PM

Here are the facts on location of boys counties:

Way-Coh - closed for winter break - not available

Bath - hosting Wrestling Sectionals on semis and have home boys game on night of finals - not avialable

Corning West - High cost to use facility - Steuben County relies on revenue from basketball counties to cover costs for all sports - only real source of revenue

CCC - available and minimum costs but AD's felt it was not convenient for teams and fans to travel to especially if weather was bad.

AU/A-State - high costs

No other school in county seats what C-S does and based on attendance last few years, didn't want to turn people away at the door.

agree or disagree - the above is the rationale........if anyone has other suggestions, I'm sure those could be checked for next year if Bath is not available again.

cbellfan15

02-01-2009, 03:19 PM

Crackerman55

02-01-2009, 05:04 PM

I'd like to go back to this subject! After hearing Coach Button last night on the news I can understand why he's laughing! He said "We have one more league game and we get that done and we can get back the League Championship that we lost last year" Wonder why he thinks they have it in the bag already! Duh, they have home court advantage!

Well I'm sure Coach Button and his team will be indebted to the people that decided to give them home court advantage for the County Tournament. The committee that decided the county tournament should be played at CS should be ashamed and they have done a great disservice to the all other Steuben County Teams!

I'm sure if they looked hard enough they could've found a neutral gym to hold it in!

i don't think merlin meant to make it sound like he has it in the bag.....i think he was just saying that CS has a very good chance to win the county title back

steubenfan

02-02-2009, 08:26 AM

There are two different titles at stake during the year.............the first is the regular season league championship....the second is the county tournament title. The same team doesn't always win both........during C-S run of 7 straight tournament titles - they were not league champions twice.....Alfred-Almond and Canisteo both won the regular season title but lost in the county tournament. If C-S beats Arkport, they will be the regular season champions.

btwine2001

02-02-2009, 03:20 PM

CS has the largest gym avaliable in Steuben County on the given dates. How many years in a row wwas it held at CS? Money and avalablity are the two major factors. Not much they can do in this situtation. CCC is jsut rediculus, imagine being A-A, Canisteo, Arkport...Campbell is alot closer and ALOT bigger. Hell its seats what 2500?

How many more times do we have to hear how big C-S's gym is, who gives a crap. The point is that it (the finals) should be on a neutral court.

BBallBaller1492

02-02-2009, 08:29 PM

How many more times do we have to hear how big C-S's gym is, who gives a crap. The point is that it (the finals) should be on a neutral court.

I totally agree but blame it on the steuben county AD's. They voted to allow for the finals to be played at C-S.

The1andONLY51

02-02-2009, 08:59 PM

How many more times do we have to hear how big C-S's gym is, who gives a crap. The point is that it (the finals) should be on a neutral court.

The fans are the people who give a crap. Would you enjoy going to the county finals to watch P-Burg vs. CS at a neutral court, say Bradford. A whole two people could watch the game. CS has the most seats, therefore more people can see the games.

vikingfan

02-02-2009, 09:44 PM

In a county Tournament, no one should play on there home court. We all know that there are many advantages to playing on the home court, to include depth perception caused by heighth and distance behind the backboard, fans, etc.

Am I missing something or are the tournament days set in stone? Could they have been held on other dates that would have worked with Bath's Schedule? Does anyone know?

Lukelakers

02-03-2009, 06:25 AM

The fans are the people who give a crap. Would you enjoy going to the county finals to watch P-Burg vs. CS at a neutral court, say Bradford. A whole two people could watch the game. CS has the most seats, therefore more people can see the games.

As long as it is on a neutral court, I don't think it matters where the game is played. As far as seating capacity, that is always going to be a factor. Prattsburgh has been packing them in to their small gymnasium for years. If people want to watch the game, they will get there early. Again, I understand the circumstances and am grateful for the poster that came on and explained why the games are being moved to CS. I think the big loser in all of this is Bath Haverling, especially as it pertains to the championship game. That is a lot of $$$ they are going to lose out on

BBallBaller1492

02-03-2009, 07:19 AM

Lukelakers

02-03-2009, 07:28 AM

fan#1

02-03-2009, 07:29 AM

I also think this year steuben county made a bad choice in putting the county tourny over a break. Most people this is a time for going on vacation or out of town, and they will have to work their schulede around the tourny.

If you move the tournament up a few days it means the teams would have a whole week or more between the end of the regular season and sectionals and the coaches would still be having practices anyway to prepare for sectionals.My guess is the teams would prefer to play that week.

DaddyBear

02-03-2009, 09:00 AM

Does your county tournament rotate the tourney to the other schools in the county, so each community would eventuallly get their chance to host it?

Lukelakers

02-03-2009, 09:03 AM

Does your county tournament rotate the tourney to the other schools in the county, so each community would eventuallly get their chance to host it?

over the last 20 years, the county tournament has been held in Bath, Campbell-Savona, Corning (at the college) and at Wayland-Cohocton. The bigger gymnasiums are usually chosen for seating purposes. Each location has its advantages and disadvantages, but that is life.....