Fillmore > Whitesville

[psaund24]

Fillmore takes down Whitesville last night. Fillmore clicked the whole game except for the first 5 min where Whitesville was up 11-3. By the end of the first quarter it was 14-14. Fillmore never looked back from there. Officiating was very questionable. In a more consistently called game I think its a much closer game and either team could have come out on top. Whitesville just couldn't get into a rhythm because of pretty chintzy fouls which caused Sherman and Potter to be on the bench the first half of the game. Fillmore was hitting from outside all night. I was wondering if anyone that also watched the game had info on what happened towards the end when a player from Fillmore was walked off the court by the official after freaking out on Brad Stevens and shoving him. No foul was called on either kid. But, the Fillmore player was taken off the court by an official. The very next play, Stevens was thrown out of the game for an elbow? After watching footage of the game, its quite clear no elbow was even attempted to be thrown. He did raise it but it was part of the game and nothing harmful was attempted. I'm just confused as to why a Fillmore player is taken out by a ref and no call was made after a clear shove by him happened. Now, Stevens has to sit a game and no repercussions are upon the Fillmore player. Unless coach Mullen takes an action.

Over all it was a decent game, Whitesville never really had a chance to click due to inconsistency and Fillmore was playing well.

[tgrs07]

Has Whitesville ever lost a game where the officiating wasn't bad and /or the other team didn't play unfairly? I don't recall one...

[hilltopballer]

todd sherman got a Technical for talking to the ref. i believe it is the refs job to keep the game fair how can u say it was fair? if the officiating was very questionable.

[OhioStateBuck]

Has Whitesville ever lost a game where the officiating wasn't bad and /or the other team didn't play unfairly? I don't recall one...

I don't remember anything being unfair when they played Prattsburgh earlier this season, but that was awhile ago, the Vikings may have cheated and I just didn't catch it.

[psaund24]

Did i say that it was the refs fault for Whitesville losing? No, I have always felt that a good team should play well whether or not the refs are decent. All I am saying is that it would have been a much different game.... Maybe Fillmore would have still won, maybe not. And, hilltop, if you want my opinion, the officiating could have certainly been "more fair." I felt there were questionable calls both ways but def. more that hit Whitesville harder. Needless to say, they didnt play well anyway, and their non-starters weren't ready to play.

[sharpshooter10]

everytime whitesville loses the reffs are questionable. every game they lose you"ll hear that

[hoops99]

are there games in allegany county where the officiating isn't questionable?

[Onlythestrongsurvive]

Why is it, that everytime somebody good loses, people make up excuses for them? The reffing was just as bad both ways. I thought the game was officiated fairly well. There may have been a few missed calls but not all night. Todd Sherman seems to be very "thuggish" attitude wise. He had been yelling at the ref the whole second half. They lost because Fillmore played a well rounded game with both inside and outside presence. They hit their free throws down the stretch and that helped close them out. How many points did Lewis-Ellison have? Not his average. Thats for sure. How many did Brad Stephens have? Not his average. Must be Fillmore really played some tight defense and didn't let much penetration or anything happen really. The margin of victory would have been larger had Fillmore not put their reserves in for the last 3 minutes.

[BB8185]

According to paper Stevens had 17 and lewis-ellison had 16 which is about there averages.

[psaund24]

If forearms to the body while a player is beating you off the dribble, then yeah Fillmore played the tightest defense. BUT, it happened all night to Whitesville and they should have adapted to it. And regarding officiating, refs can be bad or good, whatever, all i wish is that they are consistant. And that was not the case. It's also funny you say that the calls were even both ways, how many foul shots did Fillmore take compared to Whitesville?

[tgrs07]

19 fouls to 19 fouls and Fillmore shot 3 more foul shots (What Injustice!), and actually Fillmore had more fouls called against and less foul shots taken until the final few minutes when Whitesville began fouling on purpose. Perhaps you ought to be more concerned about shooting percentages...do the officials determine that? It is so ironic, and humorous, to listen to Whitesville people (and former players) complain about physical play... Whitesville has won a lot of games by being more aggressive and physical.

[psaund24]

It's not the calls, it's the no calls my friend. It hurts shooting percentage and it doesn't show up in stats. Physical play is fine, but theres a difference between physical play and obvious fouls. How does aggression come into a talk about officiating. You can be the least aggressive team, sit back and foul the crap out of anybody. Happens all the time in class D teams who can't compete And, we've heard the Tigers complain about fouling too bud.

[tgrs07]

I was talking about FT shooting percentage, since you suggested that FT stats showed evidence of the officiating injustice. Again, Fillmore had less fouls shot for, and more fouls called against until the last two minutes when Whitesville fouled on purpose. The only glaring discrepancy is that according to the WDR, is that Whitesville shot 25% lower from the line. I was stating the fact that if Whitesville had made a few more (or Fillmore a few less), the game wouldn't have been so "unfair."


BTW I completely respected you as a player, I respect Coach VS and the Whitesville program, and think it is amazing what the Jays do every year. I just don't agree with the assertion that officiating was a factor on Tuesday. Fillmore was a much better team.

[sharpshooter10]

yup phil so everytime whitesville loses its because of the officials. dean had 34 points....the officials must of helped him right?

[hoops99]

he was also 15-15 from the line. the kids a stud.

[Onlythestrongsurvive]

he was also 15-15 from the line. the kids a stud.

Indeed he is...He is solid day in and day out. If there is ever a player somebody can count on, its gonna be matt dean. I don't know about most of you, but if i had to choose one guard in all of allegany county he would be my selection. He is a 6'2" Guard. Who in turn, can play in the post when there is a mis-match. HUGE advantage! And to psaunder, Whitesville played the same way. Like i stated, there were calls that should have been made for both teams. But there was not that many missed calls. If whitesville, stephens, and lewis-ellison can't handle the physicality of the game against a good team, their run to BCA is over. Ellison is a great player, but he needs to learn what to do in the situation he was in the other night. And that is not hang his head. The same with Stephens. I think whitesville relies too much on those 2 players, so once they fall apart, the whole team does. Oh and about the whole Fillmore player getting walked off the court and no foul being called, i think it was generous of the official. Stephens had 4 fouls on him and went to the floor with a kid (Dylan Smith) and Stephens would not let him get him. He grabbed him and would not let him get up. The ref decided...That since stephens had 4 fouls, he would be generous and not call a foul and handled the situation well. Just because you lost doesn't mean you look for other people to blame.

[jetcole47]

well my only bitch would be, what ever happen to 3 seconds. i went to the belfast whitesville game last week, they called it 5 times. in the fillmore game, gibney and thomas never left the lane. i guess i need to read a rule book again. a few times i count 15 seconds. yea yea i know what you are going to say. well if you are in the lane and you get the if you shot you are fine, but if you pass the ball out and stay that is three seconds. you stepping one foot out is not getting out of the lane. which in turn made it hard on the whitesville zone. but whitesville did have a bad thrid qtr. i didn't think the ref's. had their "A" game with them. that game was to big for the two of them. nuff said, time to move on. more games to come, everyone enjoy.