Sectional Finals

[softball3]

Anyone know who won the fairport vs Schroeder and victor vs mercy?

[You_Know_What_It_Is!]

perry beat warsaw!

[baltimore2]

Anyone know who won the fairport vs Schroeder and victor vs mercy?

Victor beat Mercy 3-2 in 10 innings and Fairport beat Webster S 4-3 in the bottom of the 7th

[softball3]

wow I didnt think it would take 10 innings for victor to beat mercy..im glad both victor and fairport won they both deserved it

[baltimore2]

wow I didnt think it would take 10 innings for victor to beat mercy..im glad both victor and fairport won they both deserved it
Victor did not put the ball into play consistently the first time around vs. Koco. A lot of strikeouts. They scored twice in the 4th or 5th and Mercy tied it up in the 6th.

The OF play on both sides was good, Victor's was superb. They made some plays, particularly one in CF, that kept Mercy off the bases. Just a great game, baserunning, defense, and hitting.

At the end Victor had runner on 3 w/ 2 out. Mercy walked intentionally #2 (who had not done much) and #3 hitter (who earlier hit a line drive off the fence) to face the #4 hitter and the #4 hitter responded with a single through the SS/3B hole.

That was the same way the Fairport game ended. Runner on 3 (the fastest kid in Section v), walked #3, walked #4, next batter reaches on error, no way she'll throw out Roessel at home, Fairport wins 4-3.

[softballfan2]

perry beat warsaw!

Yes in 13 innings!
The score was 3-2

[You_Know_What_It_Is!]

Yes in 13 innings!
The score was 3-2
that makes 4 team sectional victories for perry this year!

[AAfan]

Both excellent teams and it was an exciting game.

I thought that Mercy was having the better of it for most of the game,
but it's the final score that matters. In the final inning there was
somewhat of a fluke double play that ended Mercy's at bat. Runners were on 1st and 3rd, the shortstop was covering second on the steal and the batter hits the ball up the middle making it an easy double play. Victor would have been
in real trouble if the batter took a pitch to let the steal to 2nd happen. Then there would have been runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out. In this situation a hit up the middle scores 2. Even if the a play was made on the steal to second, the runner on third would have scored. Even with this scenario, Victor still would have had their turn at bat.

Good luck to Victor in representing section 5 in the states.

[nyssoftball]

Both excellent teams and it was an exciting game.

I thought that Mercy was having the better of it for most of the game,
but it's the final score that matters. In the final inning there was
somewhat of a fluke double play that ended Mercy's at bat. Runners were on 1st and 3rd, the shortstop was covering second on the steal and the batter hits the ball up the middle making it an easy double play. Victor would have been
in real trouble if the batter took a pitch to let the steal to 2nd happen. Then there would have been runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out. In this situation a hit up the middle scores 2. Even if the a play was made on the steal to second, the runner on third would have scored. Even with this scenario, Victor still would have had their turn at bat.

Good luck to Victor in representing section 5 in the states.

The ump (plate) screwed Mercy, didn't hustle and he became a spectator.

[use2hands]

I heard from a Mercy fan that in the 8th or 9th Mercy had a runner on third, a shot was hit down first that appeared to be fair (runner scores, and Mercy would have ended up winning since Victor did not score in the bottom of the inning) but the ump called foul - for anyone at the game - was it that close of a call?

[use2hands]

Tremendous CF for Victor - has played well all season (if this does not work, the photo is up on the DC website under the Victor/Mercy game)

[AAfan]

I heard from a Mercy fan that in the 8th or 9th Mercy had a runner on third, a shot was hit down first that appeared to be fair (runner scores, and Mercy would have ended up winning since Victor did not score in the bottom of the inning) but the ump called foul - for anyone at the game - was it that close of a call?

Very close call. The ball hit the first base bag. The newspaper said it hit the orange part, so it would be a foul ball. I counld't see it from were I was.

There were at least 2 other plays, where the umps could have performed better. A Mercy runner was called out on a tag at second. It was close. From where I was, the Mercy player looked safe but she could have been out. The problem was, the field ump didn't move from his right field line position to make a better call.

[use2hands]

Sectionals can give you the best bang for the buck - great games in all the finals, and some great games in the semis also. How about Perry/Warsaw going 13 innings? The battles for the Class AA and Class C crowns will be exciting. And when Victor was beating teams up early in the season, it was hard to tell how they would do when they had to come from behind, but they proved they are strong there also during Sectionals. Strong D, strong O, and coaches who know the finer points of the game. I can see them going very far in States.

[timmy4]

Very close call. The ball hit the first base bag. The newspaper said it hit the orange part, so it would be a foul ball. I counld't see it from were I was.

There were at least 2 other plays, where the umps could have performed better. A Mercy runner was called out on a tag at second. It was close. From where I was, the Mercy player looked safe but she could have been out. The problem was, the field ump didn't move from his right field line position to make a better call.

Can you explain the second play? Was it a steal, ground ball, trying to stretch a single into a double or what? I find what you are claiming to be almost impossible, but I'd need the details of the play.

[sball13]

I think the play in question was a ball hit to right field where the player makes an attempt on a diving catch. Ball gets away from the defensive player and the Victor runner tries to advance to second. Close call at second, but the plate up wasn't paying attention and could not make the call. The base up was up the first base line looking for a catch and didn't see the play. I beleive the call is the plate umpires to make and he had no idea what was going on.

In regards to the ball hitting the orange part of the bag...from my location it clearly hit the orange bag and was a good call.

[Rose]

Too bad the Victor/Mercy game was decided by sub-par umpires and not the players themselves. 2 terribly costly and incorrect calls cost Mercy the game.
1) The hit down the first base line referred to in the D&C clearly hit the WHITE bag, not the orange. I was standing in plain view. Even some honest Victor fans told me it was a fair ball. 2) The call made on the play at 2nd earlier in the game was HORRIFIC!! The mercy player was clearly safe, by at least 3 feet. The base umpire never saw it. He was out near right field, where there was a lot of commotion, as the right fielder went down. The umpire behind the plate did not see it either, not his call. As the 2 umps chatted (rather argued) we could hear the converstaion. Neither one saw it . Plate ump is yelling at base ump to make a call while the base ump is telling him he didn't see it. He was looking the other direction. Finally a safe call was made... safe. Again, Victor fans along the outfiled fence will tell you Mercy player was safe by a mile.
Despite all of this, Mercy contined to fight and eventually lost to a very fine Victor team.
Too bad the players couldn't have decided the game.

[nyssoftball]

Too bad the Victor/Mercy game was decided by sub-par umpires and not the players themselves. 2 terribly costly and incorrect calls cost Mercy the game.
1) The hit down the first base line referred to in the D&C clearly hit the WHITE bag, not the orange. I was standing in plain view. Even some honest Victor fans told me it was a fair ball. 2) The call made on the play at 2nd earlier in the game was HORRIFIC!! The mercy player was clearly safe, by at least 3 feet. The base umpire never saw it. He was out near right field, where there was a lot of commotion, as the right fielder went down. The umpire behind the plate did not see it either, not his call. As the 2 umps chatted (rather argued) we could hear the converstaion. Neither one saw it . Plate ump is yelling at base ump to make a call while the base ump is telling him he didn't see it. He was looking the other direction. Finally a safe call was made... safe. Again, Victor fans along the outfiled fence will tell you Mercy player was safe by a mile.
Despite all of this, Mercy contined to fight and eventually lost to a very fine Victor team.
Too bad the players couldn't have decided the game.

I think the play at second you are referring to was hit by Victor and Mercy made the play at second and for the out.........on no the plate ump was watching down the first base line instead of anticipating a play and moving towards second.
Ever close call and every blown play by the umps went against Mercy.

[timmy4]

Too bad the Victor/Mercy game was decided by sub-par umpires and not the players themselves. 2 terribly costly and incorrect calls cost Mercy the game.
1) The hit down the first base line referred to in the D&C clearly hit the WHITE bag, not the orange. I was standing in plain view. Even some honest Victor fans told me it was a fair ball. 2) The call made on the play at 2nd earlier in the game was HORRIFIC!! The mercy player was clearly safe, by at least 3 feet. The base umpire never saw it. He was out near right field, where there was a lot of commotion, as the right fielder went down. The umpire behind the plate did not see it either, not his call. As the 2 umps chatted (rather argued) we could hear the converstaion. Neither one saw it . Plate ump is yelling at base ump to make a call while the base ump is telling him he didn't see it. He was looking the other direction. Finally a safe call was made... safe. Again, Victor fans along the outfiled fence will tell you Mercy player was safe by a mile.
Despite all of this, Mercy contined to fight and eventually lost to a very fine Victor team.
Too bad the players couldn't have decided the game.

Be careful stating things as fact if you are not familiar enough with the situation to do so. The base umpire correctly went out on a troubled ball. The plate umpire is to come out to pick up EVERY base in that situation.

[nyssoftball]

Be careful stating things as fact if you are not familiar enough with the situation to do so. The base umpire correctly went out on a troubled ball. The plate umpire is to come out to pick up EVERY base in that situation.

You are correct and the plate up blew that call. he became a spectator. Too bad he did that, now the Mercy girls are going to be specators on Tuesday. The base up was where he should have been, checking fair/foul.

[timmy4]

You are correct and the plate up blew that call. he became a spectator. Too bad he did that, now the Mercy girls are going to be specators on Tuesday. The base up was where he should have been, checking fair/foul.

Fair/foul - yes, but equally as important was catch/no-catch.

[Rose]

[QUOTE=nyssoftball;143705]I think the play at second you are referring to was hit by Victor and Mercy made the play at second and for the out.........

My mistake. You are correct. Victor player was out. I mixed up the teams.
Whichever ump was responsible for the call, they blew it. As I said, we could hear the entire argument. What are the chances of ever having 3 umpires at sectional final games? There is so much area for them to cover, maybe this would help prevent a recurrence??:confused:

[baltimore2]

[QUOTE=nyssoftball;143705]I think the play at second you are referring to was hit by Victor and Mercy made the play at second and for the out.........

My mistake. You are correct. Victor player was out. I mixed up the teams.
Whichever ump was responsible for the call, they blew it. As I said, we could hear the entire argument. What are the chances of ever having 3 umpires at sectional final games? There is so much area for them to cover, maybe this would help prevent a recurrence??:confused:

Lost in all of this is the fact that Victor played superb defense with one poor decision by an infielder that allowed a run to score. other than that the OF defense was special on both sides but Victor in particular. Finally an MVP who is not a pitcher. Finally a game where the ball gets put into play and tests the D rather than everyone running on & off the field watching pitchers strike out hitters. My takes: The ball clearly hit the orange base and the plate ump should've made the call at 2b even if he was 1/3 of the way up the 3b line.

In any event, the better team won. That was a total team game played by Victor.

[ak05lp]

perry beat warsaw!

Sounded like a great game, 3-2 went 13 innings.

[AAfan]

[QUOTE=Rose;143721]

In any event, the better team won. That was a total team game played by Victor.

You are obviously biased. I don't think the better team won. I think they are equally good teams. Mercy is just as good as Victor. and Victor is just as good as Mercy. Each team has its strengths and weaknesses.

Anyway, I wish Victor well in the State tournament, since I'm a class A non-biased AAfan.

[softballer018]

Fair/foul - yes, but equally as important was catch/no-catch.

I agree with this but the thing is that it was obvious that the right fielder did not make the catch. The umps attention did not need to be directly focused on this one play. The play is not over until the pitcher has the ball in the circle. I guess I'm just confused at what the umps were watching? Mercy should have won in regulation 2-1 because that runner who was "safe" at 2nd ended up scoring.

[ak05lp]

Perry Beats OA 3-2

[timmy4]

I agree with this but the thing is that it was obvious that the right fielder did not make the catch. The umps attention did not need to be directly focused on this one play. The play is not over until the pitcher has the ball in the circle. I guess I'm just confused at what the umps were watching? Mercy should have won in regulation 2-1 because that runner who was "safe" at 2nd ended up scoring.

That's why there are two of them. One to get close to the initial play and one to pick up any subsequent play. I can only speak to what the base umpire was watching: Fair/foul, catch/no-catch on a troubled ball. He goes out and the plate umpire picks up 2nd base and any subsequent base. In this case, it didn't happen.

[softballer018]

That's why there are two of them. One to get close to the initial play and one to pick up any subsequent play. I can only speak to what the base umpire was watching: Fair/foul, catch/no-catch on a troubled ball. He goes out and the plate umpire picks up 2nd base and any subsequent base. In this case, it didn't happen.

This is why Mercy was so upset about the loss. Because the plate umpire, as said earlier, became a spectator. This cost Mercy the game.

[DaddyBear]

This is why Mercy was so upset about the loss. Because the plate umpire, as said earlier, became a spectator. This cost Mercy the game.

I think that from the finals forward, there should be 3 umpires on the field for softball and baseball. Maybe even the semi's, depending on ump availability.

[nyssoftball]

I think that from the finals forward, there should be 3 umpires on the field for softball and baseball. Maybe even the semi's, depending on ump availability.

Baseball had 4 umps on their finals

[softballer018]

I think that from the finals forward, there should be 3 umpires on the field for softball and baseball. Maybe even the semi's, depending on ump availability.

I couldn't agree more. It's really upsetting to see the game decided by the umps, not the players themselves

[Manu15red devils]

i couldn't agree more. It's really upsetting to see the game decided by the umps, not the players themselves

terrible

[baller137]

yes i completely agree with having a third ump for sectionals games. Mercy did win that game... regardless of the final score.