class b results

[nikki070391]

i think that batavia should've won today and that the judges ...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep..... batavia did amazing and was PERFECT! hornell ....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... i like how they win by dropping a girl on the floor...i didnt know you got points for dropping a flyer! I LOVE YOU CHEER BABES

[sectvbball44]

Way to go Hornell!!

Also glad to see Gates won, they were much improved last year and well deserved!!

[RochesterCCPhotography]

i think that batavia should've won today and that the judges ...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep..... batavia did amazing and was PERFECT! hornell ....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... i like how they win by dropping a girl on the floor...i didnt know you got points for dropping a flyer! I LOVE YOU CHEER BABES

greatest edit ever...still laughing

[LCcheer70]

i think that batavia should've won today and that the judges ...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep..... batavia did amazing and was PERFECT! hornell ....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... i like how they win by dropping a girl on the floor...i didnt know you got points for dropping a flyer! I LOVE YOU CHEER BABES

This wasn't the only division that this happened in.....you should've seen class DD

[EaglePride]

This is why I can't consider cheerleading a sport. These competitions are judged and don't involve a defined method of scoring. I will not dispute the athletic ability involved, it is impressive to say the least. The scoring is based on pure conjecture and therefore every result can be questioned.

[BathRamsFan]

This is why I can't consider cheerleading a sport. These competitions are judged and don't involve a defined method of scoring. I will not dispute the athletic ability involved, it is impressive to say the least. The scoring is based on pure conjecture and therefore every result can be questioned.

Do you feel the same way about figure skating, gymnastics and diving? I happen to agree with you, cheerleading isn't a sport, is it athletic? ABSOLUTELY! Now I have to rethink my stance on all of these other "sports" as well..... what makes them and different from say "ballroom dancing" ? Are they competitive events? Sure thing, are they SPORTS? I'm not so sure...

[EaglePride]

Do you feel the same way about figure skating, gymnastics and diving? I happen to agree with you, cheerleading isn't a sport, is it athletic? ABSOLUTELY! Now I have to rethink my stance on all of these other "sports" as well..... what makes them and different from say "ballroom dancing" ? Are they competitive events? Sure thing, are they SPORTS? I'm not so sure...

Gymnastics are definately a sport, each routine in each event is submitted to the judges. They then assign a degree of difficulty to each individual routine and know what they are going to see ahead of time. The same applies to the other sporting events you mentioned. Figure skating and diving are scored very much like gymnastics. If I was to compare cheerleading to any other competition it would be synchronized swimming. Judges can't possibly see everything that is going on and that creates speculation not scoring. If cheerleading was to have individual events it might be easier to score but then you would just have watered down gymnastics. Just opinion, not disputing the effort or athletic ability of cheerleaders at all.

[cheermom3]

I am really disappointed in the DD results as they were very wrong. ER is a great squad but did not deserve 1st place. They dropped stunts and new they didn't do their best when they came off the floor. Avon was flawless and looked amazing and in all were 1st place winners. They may not have brought home the trophy or title but we all know who the TRUE winners were.

[EaglePride]

I am really disappointed in the DD results as they were very wrong. ER is a great squad but did not deserve 1st place. They dropped stunts and new they didn't do their best when they came off the floor. Avon was flawless and looked amazing and in all were 1st place winners. They may not have brought home the trophy or title but we all know who the TRUE winners were.

I rest my case.

[SectionVCheer]

i think that batavia should've won today and that the judges ...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep..... batavia did amazing and was PERFECT! hornell ....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... i like how they win by dropping a girl on the floor...i didnt know you got points for dropping a flyer! I LOVE YOU CHEER BABES

hornell did not drop a girl all their stunts stuck perfectly!
go back and watch the video of the routine, hornell deserved it!

[sectvbball44]

What happened with HIlton???

[cheer_devil]

who the effff is hornell? i've never heard of them being good & they won sectionals...weird

[lovetocheer63]

Class AA was a mess, too. Spencerport would've had first, but instead got 4th because they got a 10 point safety violation that they didn't even commit. Their coach wasn't notified before awards, like Section V has done before, or like it says will happen on the site. The judges made a mistake and the team has to suffer for it. Gates Chili still did good, don't get me wrong, but Spencerport deserved first. They should not continue to be penalized for the judges's mistake.

[sectvbball44]

who the effff is hornell? i've never heard of them being good & they won sectionals...weird

I think this attitude is part of the problem all around. Just because you haven't "heard of them being good" does not mean that they cannot win a title. This was discussed last year, the idea of saving scores for the teams that "should" be good and underscoring other solid performances. I'm very glad to see Hornell and Gates break through.

[sectvbball44]

Class AA was a mess, too. Spencerport would've had first, but instead got 4th because they got a 10 point safety violation that they didn't even commit. Their coach wasn't notified before awards, like Section V has done before, or like it says will happen on the site. The judges made a mistake and the team has to suffer for it. Gates Chili still did good, don't get me wrong, but Spencerport deserved first. They should not continue to be penalized for the judges's mistake.

What waas the reason for the deduction?

[football09]

i think that batavia should've won today and that the judges ...beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep..... batavia did amazing and was PERFECT! hornell ....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... i like how they win by dropping a girl on the floor...i didnt know you got points for dropping a flyer! I LOVE YOU CHEER BABES


What did your teammates drop you on your head when you were cheering yesterday .....beeeeeeeeeeeep... because Hornell didn't drop anyone. I can send you the video if you would like. You lost to Hornell by one point. You shouldn't act this way.

Hornell was awesome and deserved to win. Their routine was unique and didn't look like the rest!!!!! Congratulations to the Lady Red Raiders on 1st place in Class B and being the GRAND CHAMPIONS and finishing with the top overall score of the day!!!!

[pcscheer14]

I am really disappointed in the DD results as they were very wrong. ER is a great squad but did not deserve 1st place. They dropped stunts and new they didn't do their best when they came off the floor. Avon was flawless and looked amazing and in all were 1st place winners. They may not have brought home the trophy or title but we all know who the TRUE winners were.

Welll odviously, they were not FLAWLESS or they would have won.. so the judges odviously thought they were better.. while er dropped a stunt and avon messed up their middle stunt while the girl like dropped.. while perryy had noo mistakes what so ever :)

[cheermom3]

I never said Perry wasn't good, they always look great and I think the coach is a super person and her girls looked great. I still believe Avon was the best in their division and ER was not. That was my point, but you can believe whatever you want to, we know who was really 1st AVON!!

[AvonBravesGCX3]

Welll odviously, they were not FLAWLESS or they would have won.. so the judges odviously thought they were better.. while er dropped a stunt and avon messed up their middle stunt while the girl like dropped.. while perryy had noo mistakes what so ever :)

Welll odviously, they were not FLAWLESS or they would have won.. so the judges odviously thought they were better.. while er dropped a stunt and avon messed up their middle stunt while the girl like dropped.. while perryy had noo mistakes what so ever :)

Ok......I know Avon and have watched Perry and ER....there is no way anyone can dispute ER was flawless...no way and they knew it...dropping the girl in the stunt, flyer dropping her leg in the heel stretch, jumps being off, back handspring stumbling all mean they were not the best....

Avon did not have a problem with their 360 stunt, which you are referring to so lets just get that out there right now....they did the DIFFICULT stunt and executed it well..did they bobble on the way down yes....Perry did have bobbles too so don't say they had no mistakes.....Avon had difficulty AND executed there routine amazingly.....Difficulty needs to be added into the scores....in basketball if you shoot a 3 pointer you get more points, therefore if you have a team who can stunt with more difficulty and execute it well (same with there dance/tumbling/jumps/etc THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A HIGHER SCORE

Just for the record...Avon WAS AND IS the true Section V Class DD Champs and the ones who matter know it...even the ER mothers (2 of them) who came up to some of the Avon parents and said so, along with COUNTLESS EMAILS FROM COACHES, SPECTATORS, ETC that were made to the Avon coach.....Let's also remember ER SHOULD NOT be in Class DD and I am sick of this debate...there football is in Class B and so should they be regardless if they allow Gananda cheerleaders to cheer that is their fault for not allowing those talented kids the opportunity....but there AD should feel real great knowing because they will not go along with the rules that EVERYONE else in Section V has to he cost Avon (2008) and Avon & Perry (2009) Sectional titles....so for the last 2 years ER has been given Fall Cheer titles that they DO NOT deserve in regards to being the Class DD champs...shame on the people in charge for saying nothing and allowing this stupidity to continue....these others kids who ARE true Section V Class DD champs get to suffer and be pushed under the rug...its disgusting and wrong and the reason cheerleading isn't respected as a true sport!!!!!

....also, PERRY is spelled P-E-R-R-Y and "odviously" is spelled
O-B-V-I-O-U-S-L-Y

[iCheer130]

back to this whole DD thing... its no ones fault that ER is in the class that they are in, its because of the size of their school. whether they were in class DD or not.. they still happened to beat every single team EXCEPT hornell (who beat them by one point). Those girls obviously bobbled a mount and dropped ONE, yet... the one that they DID drop they redeemed themselves and put it back up to finish the sequence unlike many others who dont seem to do that... not saying NO ONE does. Their other catagories clearly outweighed the stunts and overall scores which are only 2 out of many catagories that affected their scores. Avon did perform a flawless routine yet little things is what sectionals comes down to and what the judges say is what it is and no one can change it. the blocks were given to the people that they were given to and thats that. and just because teams arent known that well like someone else had mentioned, they can win too. scores are scores. if all you people do is complain... go certify to be a judge because if you understand on a score sheet just bcasue teams drop mounts doesnt mean they cant win. there are so many more times in ones routine to make up for other mistakes which can hurt or help them.

[iCheer130]

and plus you people are acting as though ER beat avon by like 50 pts... they didnt they beat them by 3. thats a very close race so obviously avon got maybe one catagory of scores lower than ER did in something... it is wat it is.

[AvonBravesGCX3]

back to this whole DD thing... its no ones fault that ER is in the class that they are in, its because of the size of their school. whether they were in class DD or not.. they still happened to beat every single team EXCEPT hornell (who beat them by one point). Those girls obviously bobbled a mount and dropped ONE, yet... the one that they DID drop they redeemed themselves and put it back up to finish the sequence unlike many others who dont seem to do that... not saying NO ONE does. Their other catagories clearly outweighed the stunts and overall scores which are only 2 out of many catagories that affected their scores. Avon did perform a flawless routine yet little things is what sectionals comes down to and what the judges say is what it is and no one can change it. the blocks were given to the people that they were given to and thats that. and just because teams arent known that well like someone else had mentioned, they can win too. scores are scores. if all you people do is complain... go certify to be a judge because if you understand on a score sheet just bcasue teams drop mounts doesnt mean they cant win. there are so many more times in ones routine to make up for other mistakes which can hurt or help them.

You are clearly entitled to your own opinion but your opinion is very wishy washy....you say it comes down to little things and you are right...STUNTING is a big deal and a team who DROPS is clearly not the best team and no you have no clue about judging because the scores did not reflect....my friend cheers and ER was given a 30/30 on stunts...EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS ACCURATE PLEASE?!?!?!?!???

Also, you said an un-educated comment about how they should be in DD is dumb NO THEY SHOULD NOT!!!! THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE SAME CLASS AS THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM REGARDLESS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL DOES!!!!!!!!!! ER is NO exception but apparently they are allowed to do whatever they want in every aspect of athletics...

ALSO, your comment how they beat every other team but Hornell is also un-educated because THEY DO NOT ALL HAVE THE SAME JUDGES so you can't go by that........

[sectvbball44]

my friend cheers and ER was given a 30/30 on stunts...EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS ACCURATE PLEASE?!?!?!?!???

actually it is inaccurate, according to the section v website they did not receive 30/30. in fact in one category avon outscored er 29-26 in stunting technique.

[iCheer130]

check the scores... did avon get ONE 30? i think not. and your statement about 30/30 for stunts in UN-EDUCATED. its not the girls fault of where theyre put for sectionals.

[iCheer130]

and judges see things differently. some judges think that redeeming during a stunt just bring back points others do not. thats the way theyre thoughts are made and no one can change them but themselves. theyre the certified ones not anyone else. so clearly ER's cheer technique and other categories that avon couldnt reach to a 30, ER covered to make up for their mistakes.

[AvonBravesGCX3]

check the scores... did avon get ONE 30? i think not. and your statement about 30/30 for stunts in UN-EDUCATED. its not the girls fault of where theyre put for sectionals.



ok then both of you please explain why it is ok for them to pick the class (B/DD) that they want to compete in..I never ever said it was the ER girls fault....it isn't the AVON GIRLS FAULT EITHER that they do not allow Gananda girls to cheer with them (because that is there reasoning as to why they stay in DD)....they shouldn't be allowed a choice but TOLD they have to move up to their rightful class and suck it up......AVON AND PERRY ARE THE TRUE CLASS DD CHAMPS FOR FALL 2009 AND NO ONE WILL CHANGE MY OPINION REGARDING THAT....ER was off on jumps, tumbling, and their transitions....and anyone else who thinks differently in all honestly needs to watch the DVD....there coach stormed off the competition area and threw her angel crown thing (yes ladies and gentlemen she dressed up as an angel this year...much improved over the cowboy ensemble from last year) and yelled at her kids and told them they did not win......

[iCheer130]

actually no gananda girls cheer for ER. the only thing gananda affiliates with ER with is football and thats it. maybe if you went to the school or knew something of them instead of making up ur own "facts" you could continue bashing on them. but you dont sorry :)

[AvonBravesGCX3]

actually no gananda girls cheer for ER. the only thing gananda affiliates with ER with is football and thats it. maybe if you went to the school or knew something of them instead of making up ur own "facts" you could continue bashing on them. but you dont sorry :)

DUDE I KNOW THEY DO NOT CHEER BECAUSE GANANDA ISN'T ALLOWED TO PER YOUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR....cheerleaders follow their football team in regards to what class they compete in.....but ER makes their own rules....you have no clue and now it is just becoming comical.....I will explain it better:

ER CHOOSES WHAT CLASS THEY WANT TO COMPETE IN (DD) BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW GANANDA ATHLETES TO CHEER BUT THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ON THE FOOTBALL TEAM......SO THEREFORE SINCE THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM IS COMBINED THE CHEERLEADERS SHOULD HAVE TO COMPETE UP IN THE SAME CLASS.....this isn't rocket science

[iCheer130]

actually the reason ER has gananda people is because the school doesnt have enough ER students to play on the team hence the same reason Gananda does not have their own either. Otherwise they would not be together. WITH THIS.... the CHEERLEADERS DOOOOO have a big enough team to make a cheerleading team yettt... they dont. but if they want to go and make a cheerleading team they could. they have cheer practice right now that they practice with every once n a while. grow up and get over the fact that ER doesnt get to do what they want and they still would've beaten your school by score if they were in your division or not. ER has the block, enough is enough. dueces.

[sectvbball44]

i think it is important to distinguish football from cheerleading

gananda and ER combine for football thus their enrollments are combined which bumps them up in class

gananda and ER do not combine for cheerleading so their enrollments are not combined which leaves ER in DD

i do not think that it would be fair to combine ER and Gananda cheerleading simply because the football teams combined. gananda could field a cheerleading team for their soccer team like holley does and compete alone.

[iCheer130]

i think it is important to distinguish football from cheerleading

gananda and ER combine for football thus their enrollments are combined which bumps them up in class

gananda and ER do not combine for cheerleading so their enrollments are not combined which leaves ER in DD

i do not think that it would be fair to combine ER and Gananda cheerleading simply because the football teams combined. gananda could field a cheerleading team for their soccer team like holley does and compete alone.

thank you once again.

[AvonBravesGCX3]

i think it is important to distinguish football from cheerleading

gananda and ER combine for football thus their enrollments are combined which bumps them up in class

gananda and ER do not combine for cheerleading so their enrollments are not combined which leaves ER in DD

i do not think that it would be fair to combine ER and Gananda cheerleading simply because the football teams combined. gananda could field a cheerleading team for their soccer team like holley does and compete alone.


Why were Elba and Byron/Bergen who combine for football told they HAD to combine there cheerleaders and move up to the class of their football team then? They only have Elba girls who cheer.....

[sectvbball44]

Why were Elba and Byron/Bergen who combine for football told they HAD to combine there cheerleaders and move up to the class of their football team then? They only have Elba girls who cheer.....

I was unaware that they were told they *had* to combine. If this is a fact then it should probably be looked at but I honestly find it hard to believe that one team would be told they had to combine while another was not.

[iCheer130]

becuase their schools are probably small. just because someone does one thing does NOT mean another is forced to. gananda can make their own team for soccer just like holley did. get over it.

[lovetocheer63]

What waas the reason for the deduction?

The group stunt. The judges thought the team had different girls come in when they tossed a girl from the back and rotated her. It was the same group, though. Even after reviewing the tape, they said they couldn't do anything about it because scores were final. It's unfair to the girls. They've worked extremely hard and overcame so much. They've come extremely far with their new coach the past 2 years. They should get what was theirs.

[raider4ever]

Wow, I thought fans on the football forum couldn't get along or agree with each other, but cheerleading fans are CRAZY. Remind me never to get on your bad side.

[cheERVC]

ok then both of you please explain why it is ok for them to pick the class (B/DD) that they want to compete in..I never ever said it was the ER girls fault....it isn't the AVON GIRLS FAULT EITHER that they do not allow Gananda girls to cheer with them (because that is there reasoning as to why they stay in DD)....they shouldn't be allowed a choice but TOLD they have to move up to their rightful class and suck it up......AVON AND PERRY ARE THE TRUE CLASS DD CHAMPS FOR FALL 2009 AND NO ONE WILL CHANGE MY OPINION REGARDING THAT....ER was off on jumps, tumbling, and their transitions....and anyone else who thinks differently in all honestly needs to watch the DVD....there coach stormed off the competition area and threw her angel crown thing (yes ladies and gentlemen she dressed up as an angel this year...much improved over the cowboy ensemble from last year) and yelled at her kids and told them they did not win......

I dont know who you are going around and telling people things that definitely did not happen. Dressing up the coach is a long time tradition at ER and im not trying to add fuel to the fire by saying this but I just think that it shoud be known that it is a tradition...end of story. The girls did there best and it was unfortunate that a stunt fell because if it hadnt they would probably have won by even more.
Now that I am an alumni of East Rochester cheerleading and had to watch the competition from the stands I will say that Avon and Perry did extremely well and I congratulate them on that. The judges scored the teams based on how they felt and it is unfortunate that Avon and Perry came up short. All three teams have things that they can improve on seeing no one got a perfect score.

[ERcheerx3]

Ok......I know Avon and have watched Perry and ER....there is no way anyone can dispute ER was flawless...no way and they knew it...dropping the girl in the stunt, flyer dropping her leg in the heel stretch, jumps being off, back handspring stumbling all mean they were not the best....

Avon did not have a problem with their 360 stunt, which you are referring to so lets just get that out there right now....they did the DIFFICULT stunt and executed it well..did they bobble on the way down yes....Perry did have bobbles too so don't say they had no mistakes.....Avon had difficulty AND executed there routine amazingly.....Difficulty needs to be added into the scores....in basketball if you shoot a 3 pointer you get more points, therefore if you have a team who can stunt with more difficulty and execute it well (same with there dance/tumbling/jumps/etc THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A HIGHER SCORE

Just for the record...Avon WAS AND IS the true Section V Class DD Champs and the ones who matter know it...even the ER mothers (2 of them) who came up to some of the Avon parents and said so, along with COUNTLESS EMAILS FROM COACHES, SPECTATORS, ETC that were made to the Avon coach.....Let's also remember ER SHOULD NOT be in Class DD and I am sick of this debate...there football is in Class B and so should they be regardless if they allow Gananda cheerleaders to cheer that is their fault for not allowing those talented kids the opportunity....but there AD should feel real great knowing because they will not go along with the rules that EVERYONE else in Section V has to he cost Avon (2008) and Avon & Perry (2009) Sectional titles....so for the last 2 years ER has been given Fall Cheer titles that they DO NOT deserve in regards to being the Class DD champs...shame on the people in charge for saying nothing and allowing this stupidity to continue....these others kids who ARE true Section V Class DD champs get to suffer and be pushed under the rug...its disgusting and wrong and the reason cheerleading isn't respected as a true sport!!!!!

....also, PERRY is spelled P-E-R-R-Y and "odviously" is spelled
O-B-V-I-O-U-S-L-Y
"along with COUNTLESS EMAILS FROM COACHES, SPECTATORS, ETC that were made to the Avon coach.."

and being a soccer player you would know about all of this? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jokes.

[CHEERJV]

I think you all need to CALM DOWN. Stuff Happens .... You aren't always gonna think it's fair. Judges do what they do. All the teams in that Division did extremely well and I was very impressed with how far Avon and Perry have come. ER is better at fundamentals though. It's the core of what they do. And that's why things like a bobble in a mount or a fall doesn't cost them the title.

[SectionVChamp]

i am in no way commementing about the outcome of sectionals seeing as how i didnt see it, i am however questioning how you can complain about er competing in dd. that is their school size. it doesnt matter what other teams combine to simply have the numbers to field a squad, the fact is the school size is that in which they compete. cheerleading is completly seperate competitions from football so the fact that the combined er/g football team is b should and doesnt have any relevance. too me it sounds like you are just bitter about er winning. the facts come down to er competes in their size school bracket and whether they win or lose, there should be no arguement against that.

[ERVCalumni]

First of all, the stuff about what class ER is in is actually just funny. How is that anyone's fault. It's determined by how big or small the school is. You sound stupid for saying that.
Second of all, I think ER did amazing on Saturday. Of course there are little things that need to be taken care of, but overall they did amazing. Mounts are one section on a score sheet, dropping mounts doesn't automatically mean you lost. ER has dropped mounts before and still won & received the highest score. I'm pretty sure if you put ER in any class whether I'd be AA or DD they would dominate!! Stop being jealous that ER can drop a mount and still win in their division AND get the 2nd highest score of the day!! :)

LOVE YOU GIRLSSSS !!! <333

[SectionVdad]

I know you guys are excited to be the DD champs and you should be but do you really think you would dominate AA - have you honestly watched the Webster Schroeders and Fairports? After reading the posts in the cheerleading section I think some of you have blinders on when the big schools compete. we all missed webster S and Fairport had some drops but the difficulty was insane - did any of you see it?

[ERVCalumni]

Of course I saw the entire AA division! They are very good and have a lot of difficulty, however for sectionals difficulty doesn't count. ER could be up against Fairport, Websters and still dominate. If any smaller team is a put in a division with them, the mind set is totally different. As an ER alumni, when our coach read us the teams we were up against before every competition, we were not worried. We focused on ourselves. If we don't mess up, and do it perfect, what points can the judges take off? None.

For all the haters,
Don't be upset that ER is an amazing team and can still win even if mistakes are made :)

[football09]

section v cheerleading isn't based on difficulty, you dont get extra points for that you are judged on what your bring to the table... i didnt get to see ER, Fairport or Webster but Hornelll did amazing and deserved grand champs!:)

[Hornellcheer10]

Its nice that you think Batavia should have won.. now you know how the hornell girls have felt every year at sectionals. This year our girls and coach went to sectionals with different thoughts about it knowing every year we get screwed over. This year we went with the mentality of just doing our best and having fun. doing what we love and thats just cheer! Batavia was great and so where all the other teams.. in your eyes batavias routine probably looked like a more difficult routine but section v isnt judged on difficulty!! Hornells routine is tight and is fun to watch, our choreography this year was the best and everyone no matter where we went loved it!

Based on what Hornell put out on that floor on saturday we deserved to win first place and grand champs, we beat over seventy teams!


Batavia you were only 1 point behind us so maybe you should stop complaining and maybe tighten up a little.... :mad:

[SectionVdad]

Of course I saw the entire AA division! They are very good and have a lot of difficulty, however for sectionals difficulty doesn't count. ER could be up against Fairport, Websters and still dominate. If any smaller team is a put in a division with them, the mind set is totally different. As an ER alumni, when our coach read us the teams we were up against before every competition, we were not worried. We focused on ourselves. If we don't mess up, and do it perfect, what points can the judges take off? None.

For all the haters,
Don't be upset that ER is an amazing team and can still win even if mistakes are made :)

But don't you have at least a little respect for teams that go for it and push themselves to the very limits of their ability even though they know, as you said, that their difficulty will not be rewarded and if they toned it down they would win easily? A lot of teams smartly play to the section v scoring rules, play it safe and win - a great strategy for success - but I don't know if I would call it dominating. I respect a team that is willing to risk it all for the wow factor - it shows courage. I don't hate ER - I think what you have accomlished year after year with a school as small as you guys are is also worthy of respect.

[z10man31]

bottom line is ER won another sectional title and beat everybody. everyone can cry all they want but ER won its over move on get over with it. no need to complain about what happened cause ER beat everyone. cause we all know.............................................. ..........

http://www.gamertagpics.com/users/w/wa/warhawkBL187/ArguingOnTheInternet-Special%20Olympics.jpg


so now can all the people saying ER shouldnt have won please stop cause u represent this^^ to the fullest

[iCheer130]

But don't you have at least a little respect for teams that go for it and push themselves to the very limits of their ability even though they know, as you said, that their difficulty will not be rewarded and if they toned it down they would win easily? A lot of teams smartly play to the section v scoring rules, play it safe and win - a great strategy for success - but I don't know if I would call it dominating. I respect a team that is willing to risk it all for the wow factor - it shows courage. I don't hate ER - I think what you have accomlished year after year with a school as small as you guys are is also worthy of respect.

Im not putting blame on anything but the things that fairport and webster are able to do smaller teams cannot. the fact they have such a wow factor is because having a huge team gives it that whoa and extra thing that make people want to watch them. I'm not trying to diss out on fairport and webster because they really are amazing and i love watching them but the fact their stunts etc just look extra is because their teams are huge and theyre capable of having enough people to do that. Smaller teams can still look just as good as them with the small things that they have and can be difficult in a different kind of way. Look at Gates Chili... even tho fairport dropped and what no theyre a smaller team than fairport i believe and they had a wow factor also.

[SectionVdad]

Im not putting blame on anything but the things that fairport and webster are able to do smaller teams cannot. the fact they have such a wow factor is because having a huge team gives it that whoa and extra thing that make people want to watch them. I'm not trying to diss out on fairport and webster because they really are amazing and i love watching them but the fact their stunts etc just look extra is because their teams are huge and theyre capable of having enough people to do that. Smaller teams can still look just as good as them with the small things that they have and can be difficult in a different kind of way. Look at Gates Chili... even tho fairport dropped and what no theyre a smaller team than fairport i believe and they had a wow factor also.

I agree 100% - sometimes I bet it is even more difficult for the smaller teams to think of neat stunts because they are limited in how many people can be in the air at the same time. I am kind of just learning the sport so alot of my comments come from ignorance but my daughter is just a Freshman so I have many more years and I want to understand it better. I was initially responding to the ER girl who said they would dominate at AA. I think that might be pushing it but who knows? It seems difficulty is not rewarded, (from what others have said in their comments) and the Gates team was smaller then most of the C teams who were performing and they won. Gates is a huge school - what's to stop them or any one of the large schools from showing up with 5 girls and completely eliminating the possibilty for deductions? (just kidding). Gates put on a great routine, played to the scoring committee rules, made no mistakes and won fair and square.

[ak05lp]

I agree 100% - sometimes I bet it is even more difficult for the smaller teams to think of neat stunts because they are limited in how many people can be in the air at the same time. I am kind of just learning the sport so alot of my comments come from ignorance but my daughter is just a Freshman so I have many more years and I want to understand it better. I was initially responding to the ER girl who said they would dominate at AA. I think that might be pushing it but who knows? It seems difficulty is not rewarded, (from what others have said in their comments) and the Gates team was smaller then most of the C teams who were performing and they won. Gates is a huge school - what's to stop them or any one of the large schools from showing up with 5 girls and completely eliminating the possibilty for deductions? (just kidding). Gates put on a great routine, played to the scoring committee rules, made no mistakes and won fair and square.

But the Con of having a small team is every girl is in clear view. So any mistake is very easy for a judge to spot.

[ERVCalumni]

ER has a lot of difficulty. I know more than half of section V does not do stunts like we do!! Our dances and mounts are very difficult compared to almost every team our size. Just like the other post said, of course that wow factor wont be as huge as it is for teams that have 30+ girls on it. It's impossible, however, the mounts & dances and jumps we do are very very difficult.

[SectionVdad]

ER has a lot of difficulty. I know more than half of section V does not do stunts like we do!! Our dances and mounts are very difficult compared to almost every team our size. Just like the other post said, of course that wow factor wont be as huge as it is for teams that have 30+ girls on it. It's impossible, however, the mounts & dances and jumps we do are very very difficult.

I know they are - ER is a great team - again I was responding to the post that said ER would dominate at AA. That is saying on equal footing, given the size difference and all the rest - ER is so good they would dominate the larger schools, I thought that was a little much but maybe you agree? Like I said earlier - I am just learning the sport so maybe they would

[ERVCalumni]

I think they would dominate! I'm not being cocky however, at a sectional competition against any team, ER would pull through & be on top! That's what I mean.

[SectionVdad]

You are probably right - Sectional scoring appears to be goofy – having 25 girls doing simultaneous standing back handsprings back tucks (Fpt) or throwing two fulls (Webster T) is not scored as highly as 15 girls doing a glorified Pop Warner routine (Gates) The more I think about it - I agree – ER probably would dominate AA! I stand corrected!
(I should tone it down - I'm used to talking smack in football threads - maybe cheerleading isn't the venue - I'll calm down...promise :)

[ERVCalumni]

I mean at any competition, that is judged on difficulty if ER was against Webster S we would obviously get a lower score than they would. Full team tumbling basket tosses etc. But at sectional's it's totally different. I mean if you have 6 mounts all double twisting down, but 3 land sloppy all the time, it would be the smart idea to just single twist AT SECTIONALS. I don't know a sectional competition is totally different than any other. I mean Hornell did a wonderful job, we have more difficulty but they got a higher score.. just works out like that.

[SectionVdad]

makes sense - thanks for the info - guess that's why you guys win so often :)

[z10man31]

i think it would be really interesting to see what the smaller schools would do like like ER and BK if they had as many cheerleaders as say fairport webster or aquinas because they obviously work hard and are pretty talented plus good coaching since the win sectionals every year so i think it would be interesting to see what smaller teams like ER and BK would be able to do against webster and fairport

[ERVCalumni]

I totally agree!! BK & ER would come out on top!!

[SectionVdad]

I think some of the competitions allow you to pick what class you want to compete in- maybe you guys should pick one and take Fpt and Webster S on directly - same judges, same rules, team against team and see if you can pull it off and then maybe you should go to those competitions on espn and take on the University of Florida. I bet you could dominate them as well! ER is the best team in the world!

[cheermom3]

ER is good, but a lot of the bigger schools are. I just want to know why the football team has to go up to another division but the cheerleaders don't. They combine with Gananda i thought. Just wondering. Also ER picks and chooses their cheerleaders, some of the smaller schools don't cut anyone as this is HIGH school and like to give as many as they can a chance to cheer. Not saying they all compete but we try to give as many as we can a shot.

[cheERVC]

ER is good, but a lot of the bigger schools are. I just want to know why the football team has to go up to another division but the cheerleaders don't. They combine with Gananda i thought. Just wondering. Also ER picks and chooses their cheerleaders, some of the smaller schools don't cut anyone as this is HIGH school and like to give as many as they can a chance to cheer. Not saying they all compete but we try to give as many as we can a shot.

Actually ER rarely cuts anyone. We have a very small number of girls in our school that do cheerleading and almost always everyone makes a team. And the cheerleaders dont combine with Gananda...its only the football team that does.

[ERcheerx3]

ER is good, but a lot of the bigger schools are. I just want to know why the football team has to go up to another division but the cheerleaders don't. They combine with Gananda i thought. Just wondering. Also ER picks and chooses their cheerleaders, some of the smaller schools don't cut anyone as this is HIGH school and like to give as many as they can a chance to cheer. Not saying they all compete but we try to give as many as we can a shot.
all schools "pick and choose" their cheerleaders. its called tryouts. In the rare event at ER that someone actually doesnt make the team its because they arent good enough. this happens on ALL teams, so i dont know where you are coming from with that. I know for fact that at bigger schools like Webster and Fairport you are required to be able to do back handsprings, back tucks ect. just to make one of the teams. The percentage of people trying out for cheerleading at those schools that are cut is DRAMATICALLY higher than the percentage of people cut at ER. and the statement that other smaller schools dont cut anyone simply because its HIGH SCHOOL and want to give anyone a chance is why they arent as good as us. maybe if the other small schools we go against cut people and/or worked harder instead of complaining on this website about how we run our cheerleading program they would see more positive results.

[LivingstonCNTYfan]

Cheerleading = too much drama

[z10man31]

i think Er and BK would do pretty well if they matched up with the big schools. they both go and compete nationally every year and both always do very well

[SectionVdad]

i think Er and BK would do pretty well if they matched up with the big schools. they both go and compete nationally every year and both always do very well

Like I said - they should just do it - I believe there are tournaments usually sponsored by the various schools (victor, BK, Fpt) ,(not sectionals), where you choose what class to compete in. I think it would be interesting to see as well. As the other poster keeps saying ER would dominate but I expect the Fpts and Websters would somehow get the courage to take the floor and take them on. It would make for an interesting discussion on this thread for sure!

[sectvbball44]

Like I said - they should just do it - I believe there are tournaments usually sponsored by the various schools (victor, BK, Fpt) ,(not sectionals), where you choose what class to compete in. I think it would be interesting to see as well. As the other poster keeps saying ER would dominate but I expect the Fpts and Websters would somehow get the courage to take the floor and take them on. It would make for an interesting discussion on this thread for sure!

http://www.rochestercheerdance.com/results2009.htm

[ERcheerx3]

THANK YOU. clearly ER can compete with the bigger teams because there they beat every single one besides webster shroeder.

[ERcheerx3]

okay...the competition is over, the season is over. instead of sitting here complaining and coming up with excuses as to why they didnt win and bashing East Rochester up and down whether its the class we are in or the corrupt judges who "held scores", they could be getting ready for next season. crying about losing on this website wont put the block in their hands and it certainly wont help them achieve it next season.

[cheermom3]

I never said they didn't work hard, I think most squads if not all work hard. Cheerleading is not an easy sport as all my girls have and do cheer. I would never take that away from any of the girls. I just think that some of the categories they are put into aren't fair and that has nothing to do with the squads. I have never bashed a cheer squad and never would but you make it sound like you are the only ones that work hard and deserve to win and thats just not the case.

[cheermom3]

why doesnt' Gananda girls cheer with ER if the boys combine?

[SectionVdad]

i think Er and BK would do pretty well if they matched up with the big schools. they both go and compete nationally every year and both always do very well

THANK YOU. clearly ER can compete with the bigger teams because there they beat every single one besides webster shroeder.

If you are treating all divisions as being equal - which it appears you are - then Fairport JV's beat yours and Webster S’s varsity teams - so by your tortured logic Fairport JVs dominated every other team and were by far the best there.

[ERcheerx3]

we don't have to. they have never asked to combine with us. i dont think they do it because it would take away from their volleyball team. most girls who cheer at gananda basketball season play volleyball fall

[ERVCalumni]

JV & Varsity have different score sheets!!! Obviously they are judged a little nicer considering they are a lower level.


The people that are complaining are making themselves look dumb. ER works hard for what they get!!!

[cheerio]

JV and Varsity do not have different score sheets at competitions, just different expectations.

It's also inaccuarate to declare a team "grand champions" of a competition like Sectionals because the judges rotate divisions. The group of judges watching Section B may not be the same as Section AA and so on. Unless there's the same group of judges for every division, the grand champion title shouldn't apply.

[CHEERJV]

And there are SOOOOOOOOO Many Haters out there toooo lol sucks for them .......

[CHEERJV]

all schools "pick and choose" their cheerleaders. its called tryouts. In the rare event at ER that someone actually doesnt make the team its because they arent good enough. this happens on ALL teams, so i dont know where you are coming from with that. I know for fact that at bigger schools like Webster and Fairport you are required to be able to do back handsprings, back tucks ect. just to make one of the teams. The percentage of people trying out for cheerleading at those schools that are cut is DRAMATICALLY higher than the percentage of people cut at ER. and the statement that other smaller schools dont cut anyone simply because its HIGH SCHOOL and want to give anyone a chance is why they arent as good as us. maybe if the other small schools we go against cut people and/or worked harder instead of complaining on this website about how we run our cheerleading program they would see more positive results.
Why can't people just mind their own business and worry about their own programs?! We run our program more efficiently giving absolutely everyone the best possible shot to participate. Stop Hating on our program and start focusing on your own.

[ERVCalumni]

I'm pretty sure if the same judges watched the whole competition the results wouldn't have changed. Judges are trained to look for the same things!! Stop using ever single excuse the whole entire world that ER shouldn't have won or it's not fair to say they got the 2nd highest score of the day. It makes everyone look like cry babies.

[cheermom3]

your wrong, no one person is perfect and neither is the system of the judging. I went to the Brockport competition and Avons JV took 1st place and Grand Champions, does that mean they were better than all the varsity teams that scored below them that day.Same judges!

[SectionVdad]

I'm pretty sure if the same judges watched the whole competition the results wouldn't have changed. Judges are trained to look for the same things!! Stop using ever single excuse the whole entire world that ER shouldn't have won or it's not fair to say they got the 2nd highest score of the day. It makes everyone look like cry babies.

I really am going to drop this and we can all go on to the winter season and see what happens - I can't speak for anyone else on here but I don't hate ER, its program, its coach or anything else. I don't even know that much about them as my daughter is in AA and I hardly ever see them. The only reason I ever posted was the comment about ER dominating AA schools. I don't know how you can watch the routines, esp. the Websters and FPT - see the incredible level of tumbling, the complexity of their stunts and the level of synchronicity with such a large group and say, "Yeah - straight up we are better than them and would dominate them head to head". Just like JV is judged less harshly and the expectations are lower - I'm sure the same is true in the different classes of varsity. It would have to be or it wouldn't be fair. Large schools have advantages the small schools don't and everyone should keep that in mind when watching them. But I would hope we can all appreciate truly amazing routines when we see them. That was my only point.

[cheermom3]

I think your absolutely right. No one is saying bad things about any squad or their coaches. I look forward to the winter season and good luck to all.

[ForeverCheer11]

hornell did not drop a girl all their stunts stuck perfectly!
go back and watch the video of the routine, hornell deserved it!

I would just like to say, that even though hornell won, they surely didnt act it. Any girls who can win sectionals and walk out the building miserable, obviously dont have a heart for cheerleading or winning. And i dont know any of you, so maybe you do. But i know that winning sectinals is by far the greatest feeling in the world. And losing to a team who straight cradles out of every single one of their stunts and has roundoffs for tumbling, is pretty devistating. I have nothing against hornell, by any means, but i would like to say, that anyone that is trying to tell me or someone on the squad to tighten up, obviously wasnt paying attention. Batavia is known for who we are and our spirit. There is no doubt that batavia is fun to watch and is by far the most entertaining.
Love you 20. Heads up. See you bball season, and we"ll show you how its done (:

[sectvbball44]

I would just like to say, that even though hornell won, they surely didnt act it. Any girls who can win sectionals and walk out the building miserable, obviously dont have a heart for cheerleading or winning. And i dont know any of you, so maybe you do. But i know that winning sectinals is by far the greatest feeling in the world. And losing to a team who straight cradles out of every single one of their stunts and has roundoffs for tumbling, is pretty devistating. I have nothing against hornell, by any means, but i would like to say, that anyone that is trying to tell me or someone on the squad to tighten up, obviously wasnt paying attention. Batavia is known for who we are and our spirit. There is no doubt that batavia is fun to watch and is by far the most entertaining.
Love you 20. Heads up. See you bball season, and we"ll show you how its done (:

i'll never forget a few years ago (2004-05 winter) when batavia had a cheer that said sectional champions for the first time ever. i was a huge huge fan from that moment i thought it was so cool. but to see how you are acting toward hornell is sad and ridiculous :( maybe their routine was not as difficult but you should know as well as anyone that sectionals are not about difficulty. if you believe hornell winning was a joke then prove it at winter sectionals, dont take anything away from them now.

[Hornellcheer10]

I would just like to say, that even though hornell won, they surely didnt act it. Any girls who can win sectionals and walk out the building miserable, obviously dont have a heart for cheerleading or winning. And i dont know any of you, so maybe you do. But i know that winning sectinals is by far the greatest feeling in the world. And losing to a team who straight cradles out of every single one of their stunts and has roundoffs for tumbling, is pretty devistating. I have nothing against hornell, by any means, but i would like to say, that anyone that is trying to tell me or someone on the squad to tighten up, obviously wasnt paying attention. Batavia is known for who we are and our spirit. There is no doubt that batavia is fun to watch and is by far the most entertaining.
Love you 20. Heads up. See you bball season, and we"ll show you how its done (:


Hornell girls were not walking out of the building miserable? Let's grow up here and stop spreading rumors. The hornell girls were litterally the last team in the hole place.
And as the tumbling goes we have girls that can tumble we tucks and handsprings, so look again before saying stuff.
Its understandable to be hurt from not winning specially to a small school like hornell. But the routines are judged its a score were competing against, and obviously the judges liked us better.
And no offense but batavias choreography (end dance) wasn't anything empressing,kinda but me to sleep.

[Whitx3]

are you serious right now??? batavia's choregraphy is bomb!!! Its amazing and jealousy speaks for its self. why dont you check the score sheats because we got a PERFECT 10 ON DANCE!!! did you catch that...PERFECT!!!!

[Whitx3]

i'll never forget a few years ago (2004-05 winter) when batavia had a cheer that said sectional champions for the first time ever. i was a huge huge fan from that moment i thought it was so cool. but to see how you are acting toward hornell is sad and ridiculous :( maybe their routine was not as difficult but you should know as well as anyone that sectionals are not about difficulty. if you believe hornell winning was a joke then prove it at winter sectionals, dont take anything away from them now.

boo hoo! winter sectionals i think we will have made our point that we deserve that title,

[Hornellcheer10]

are you serious right now??? batavia's choregraphy is bomb!!! Its amazing and jealousy speaks for its self. why dont you check the score sheats because we got a PERFECT 10 ON DANCE!!! did you catch that...PERFECT!!!!



Okay enough with this. This is all childish. You can be mad all you want that your girls didnt win, but you dont have to get on here constently bad talking the winners. We worked hard for our tittle theres always next season and next year.

You guys might have had perfect for your dance, but at the end of the day we still have the patch :) This is our moment and with all this ridiculous stuff your team is trying to take it away from us.

i would be embarrassed of your fans or whoever is on here bad talking everyone. really bad sportsmen ship if you ask me. why dont you all just grow up, what happened happened and theres no way you can take our tittle from us no matter how much you complain that you think your better. the score sheets dont lie. yep double checked them, were still the winners. k thanks.

[HHScheer10]

I really dont see how you thought we were walking out of there miserable we were so happy we won we were all crying we were so happy. our coach sent us about 1000 texts between the weekend and this week saying OMG WE WON SECTIONALS i am a senior on hornell cheerleading and it was the best feeling in the world to win sectionals and by you saying all of this stuff your taking away our happiness and i think thats just rude and redicilous. it was only one point that made a difference so if your saying were bad your one point worse. our routine might not be the most difficult but that doesnt matter in section v, it is based on what you bring to the table and what we had was all good. so maybe you just need to let us have our glory in the sun because we won and you didnt. and if you were in our postion and you won and someone was trying to take it away from you, you would be just as upset so all i have to say is.... we will just see what happens in february.. good luck ;)

[lovetocheer]

Congratulations to Hornell. No one can take that title from them. They will always be Sectional Champs and will be remembered for that. Batavia will be remembered for being vicious and unsportsmanlike. It's a shame since Batavia has been a favorite of many around Section V for a while.

[sectvbball44]

Congratulations to Hornell. No one can take that title from them. They will always be Sectional Champs and will be remembered for that. Batavia will be remembered for being vicious and unsportsmanlike. It's a shame since Batavia has been a favorite of many around Section V for a while.

i agree :(
way to go hornell

[SectionVCheer]

I would just like to say, that even though hornell won, they surely didnt act it. Any girls who can win sectionals and walk out the building miserable, obviously dont have a heart for cheerleading or winning. And i dont know any of you, so maybe you do. But i know that winning sectinals is by far the greatest feeling in the world. And losing to a team who straight cradles out of every single one of their stunts and has roundoffs for tumbling, is pretty devistating. I have nothing against hornell, by any means, but i would like to say, that anyone that is trying to tell me or someone on the squad to tighten up, obviously wasnt paying attention. Batavia is known for who we are and our spirit. There is no doubt that batavia is fun to watch and is by far the most entertaining.
Love you 20. Heads up. See you bball season, and we"ll show you how its done (:

grow up! seriously you need to start acting your age! yes batavia did very well at sectionals and they had very difficult stuff but sectionals is not based on difficulty! this year hornell went to sectionals with a whole different thought thinkking they werent going to place because they always get screwed over.. but they still went out there and put out everything on the floor and did so amazing! hornell has tucks and handsprings just like everyother team. they may not have as much but they are a very small school and have to work with what they have! && i dont get how you can say hornel was miserable! hornell was the last team on the floor and they were all crying they were so happy!! HORNELL won BATAVIA didnt! Get over it!!

tighten up next season if you plan on taking the title;)

[sectvbball44]

I think this thread has gone on enough. I'll close it since it is just Hornell or Batavia bashing now.