Dundee Powerhouse

GoCuse · 10-30-2009, 08:15 AM

The Dundee Scots are one of the best teams in the state. There is no arguing that. They are excellent on offense, defense, and special teams. I happen to be scouting the game last night and was very impressed. #21 Ballard is one of the best all-around football players I have seen so far. They will be a tough team to beat.

However, I do have a small problem with them staying in the shotgun and throwing the ball with the game well in hand. I have been coaching in central New York for 30 years and have never seen anything like that. The game was over at halftime! Maybe there is some conflict between the coaches as I know they have played the last 3 years. This in no way constitutes running up the score on 15-18 year old kids. There is nothing the Dundee coaching staff can say. This was ridiculous and I feel for the ND players. Yes they were overmatched and were not going to win the game. This was obvious early on in the contest. But getting their faces rubbed in the dirt is unprofessional to say the least.

I just hope this behavior does not come back to bite Dundee in the you know what!

Big Kahoona · 10-30-2009, 08:22 AM

So you tell us what was supposed to be done? And what do you mean a conflict with the coaches?

Lukelakers · 10-30-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoCuse

The Dundee Scots are one of the best teams in the state. There is no arguing that. They are excellent on offense, defense, and special teams. I happen to be scouting the game last night and was very impressed. #21 Ballard is one of the best all-around football players I have seen so far. They will be a tough team to beat.

However, I do have a small problem with them staying in the shotgun and throwing the ball with the game well in hand. I have been coaching in central New York for 30 years and have never seen anything like that. The game was over at halftime! Maybe there is some conflict between the coaches as I know they have played the last 3 years. This in no way constitutes running up the score on 15-18 year old kids. There is nothing the Dundee coaching staff can say. This was ridiculous and I feel for the ND players. Yes they were overmatched and were not going to win the game. This was obvious early on in the contest. But getting their faces rubbed in the dirt is unprofessional to say the least.

I just hope this behavior does not come back to bite Dundee in the you know what!

I don't think you can consider it running up the score when Dundee scored 76 points on 32 total offensive plays. ND ran 53 total offensive plays. A majority of Dundee scores were quick strikes. The Scots RAN for 347 yards. Again, they RAN, which means they were using the clock the entire game and only attempted 6 passes Also, how does Notre Dame kick to Steven Webb or Ryan Ballard??? If Red Jacket, South Seneca and Lyons know not to kick the ball to them, how does the #2 seed in the Class D tournament not know? Sorry, you can't ask a team to not compete in a championship game. Notre Dame is a quality football team and had the ability to come back so why would Dundee give them the opportunity especially when a championship is on the line? If they didn't want 76 points scored upon them, I guess they should have tightened up their defense a little bit more.

21monsternrg · 10-30-2009, 08:28 AM

Honestly you feel that way. last time i checked the point of football was to score points Webb only 12 carries and Ballard only 6 they only had 32 total plays on offense and the scored on 1/3 of those plays. You dont practice all week to pack it in at halftime. Those young men and Lady just played the best game of there lives and they deserve credit for that.

GoCuse · 10-30-2009, 08:45 AM

I agree with what you are saying for the most part. The kids definitely do desreve the right to play as I am sure they worked very hard preparing for this game. However, each fourth quarter score was not RAN in. I specifically rememeber a crossing pattern trhown for a TD late in the 4th quarter. I am also positive that the Dundee starters were in their to start the 4th quarter. There is no reason for that. Luckily none of them got hurt for your sake. As for the number of plays ran, Dundee obviously ran less plays because they always had a short field to work with and scored 11 times. The number of plays ran had nothing to do with it.

Lukelakers · 10-30-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GoCuse

I agree with what you are saying for the most part. The kids definitely do desreve the right to play as I am sure they worked very hard preparing for this game. However, each fourth quarter score was not RAN in. I specifically rememeber a crossing pattern trhown for a TD late in the 4th quarter. I am also positive that the Dundee starters were in their to start the 4th quarter. There is no reason for that. Luckily none of them got hurt for your sake. As for the number of plays ran, Dundee obviously ran less plays because they always had a short field to work with and scored 11 times. The number of plays ran had nothing to do with it.

Who did you scout for?

BogeyPro · 10-30-2009, 08:54 AM

First off, congrats to a very good Dundee football team, you're obviously the cream of the section 5 "D" schools ... can't say the same for your coaches. I don't have a dog in this fight but I feel compelled to make a comment.

I work with a guy who coaches a section 6 "C" school, I showed him the write-ups & game stats and his first comment was "why were the starters in there after halftime?"

His team's approach is once the game is well in-hand, start emptying the bench. If the backups continue to score on a team the is deflated & demoralized, he lets his linemen ... yes the "O" linemen ... take turns running the ball.

This isn't baseball, starters can return. If ND starts to mount a comeback then put the starters back in & retake control.

Running up a score proves nothing other than displaying a lack of character and sportsmanship. Yes, I know you can't tell someone not to score if they have an open field in front of them but take the starters out, run dive plays into the line & keep the clock running.

Last year Dundee was the one that got stomped by state champ Maple Grove in the state qualifier, you know how it feels and this is your response? No, I don't remember any of that games's details but I felt the same way ... running up a score proves nothing & only shows the players how little class & character you have.

Dundee players, you were looking right in the eyes of the ND players, you saw that look in their eyes, that look you had last year. You wanted to play hard, you wanted to fight, you didn't want to give up but it's over long before half time & your season is over. You feel worthless and thoroughly beaten ... you just want to go home.

High school football is cyclical, you have strong years & lean years so when you get the dirty end of the stick in the future, remember that you sowed the seeds over the years that brought on the thumping.

genevaFB · 10-30-2009, 09:02 AM

he lets his linemen ... yes the "O" linemen ... take turns running the ball.

This would insult me more than keeping kids that actually play the position in!!!

Brick Tamland · 10-30-2009, 09:14 AM

Who cares about running up the score. If you can score 76, then do it. If the opposing team doesn't like it, then do something about it. We are talking about 15-18 year old kids. I don't think anyone is going to be scarred for life because of it. This isn't youth football anymore. There are no restrictions. More power to Dundee.

CAL=D · 10-30-2009, 09:43 AM

Dundee can not , should not and I hope will not let a team of ND credentials back in a football game period. Maple grove played every game last year as if it was there last they made 100 percent sure they would not risk there chances of a championship. The no.1 seed right now is also having comparable scores and are too being critisized for it.
We are in a win or go home time of year. We are in championship play. I have heard the arguements about sportsmanship. This does not come down to sportsmanship any longer. Playoffs, Championships, state bids and State titles are on the line. Time to prepare teams to compete. Time to leave it on the field . Time to crown Chamionships and State titles.
Sportmanship is thrown out there at the end of one sided game. Sportmanship is playing clean while acomplishing goals. Sportmanship is also pulling back when a team conseads a contest. ND never said it was over they continued in the air last night . Dundee matched ND. IF ND wanted Dundee starter gone they too could have pulled there starters and said its over.
Dundee when Maple grove contest was over pulled there starters last year conseeded the contest and Maple grove followed suite. It's not only on the winning teams shoulders to decide when a games over.
I commend ND last night because they did play to fight late into the 4th Quarter. they never gave up.
Its playoffs and statements are being made across the state as to what type of team you are. Dundee has shown throughout the year they play clean and have the capability to win big. Same statement Maple Grove and Walton made on there way to State championships. Same statements all teams trying to acomplish the goal are trying to make.
So with that said, If you can beat them beat them. If they beat you and it is over and the opposing team decides its over pull your starter. You will find all teams playing for championships will follow suite. You will find its not about blowouts, its about knowing you are not going to change the tempo of a game at half time when there is a lot of football to be played and cost your team a championship. There is a difference this time of year.